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How to Vote For Someone

  
By:  Texan1211  •  Politics  •  4 weeks ago  •  40 comments

How to Vote For Someone

Some people will vote for Trump because they hate Biden.

Some people will vote for Biden because they hate Trump.

Is it really smart to base your vote on hatred--if you are truly concerned about the course the country takes?

Do any people basing their vote solely on not voting for one of these two clowns think it helps the country to get one slightly less-deranged asshole to run the country, instead of someone new who we don't have a track record we can see, as in the case of Biden and Trump?

If you believe Trump or Biden did a good job as President, then you should vote for them.

If you don't, do some research, look at who all is running, and vote for someone new.

It isn't patriotism to vote for one of these guys because you are afraid if the other guy wins.

It is silly to think that either one of them will do anything differently or even better in a second term, so why vote for a failure?

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cjcold
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1  cjcold    4 weeks ago

I will vote for Biden because he has been a good president.

I will vote against Trump because he is an insane asshole.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  cjcold @1    4 weeks ago

I dont vote on the basis of "hate", but on known facts , particularly on fitness for office. 

But going with the premise of the seed, who is more justifiably hateable, Trump or Biden? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 weeks ago
I dont vote on the basis of "hate", but on known facts , particularly on fitness for office. 

I am really, really shocked that you won't be voting for Biden then.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.2  author  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 weeks ago
But going with the premise of the seed, who is more justifiably hateable, Trump or Biden?

You have wildly missed the premise of the seed if that is your take on it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

I dont give a hoot about your opinion. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.4  author  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

are you an owl?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
1.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    4 weeks ago
An owl hoot?

I walk 47 miles of barbed wire
Use a cobra-snake for a necktie
Got a brand new house on the roadside
Made from rattlesnake hide
Got a brand new chimney made on top
Made from a human skull
Come on Robbie let's take a little walk
And tell me, who do you love?
Who do you love?
Who do you love?
Who do you love?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2  author  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @1    4 weeks ago
I will vote for Biden because he has been a good president. I will vote against Trump because he is an insane asshole.

Thank you for demonstrating exactly what I was talking about.

Couldn't have made my point any better with that post.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  cjcold @1    4 weeks ago

Biden is a incompetent, corrupt, and evil person who has committed the treasonous act of aiding and abetting the invasion of out southern border, who also supports Iran and its proxies in the Mideast as they commit genocide against the Israeli people.

I will vote for the Republican nominee since it would be immoral, illogical, and unpatriotic to vote for a Democrat.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4  devangelical  replied to  cjcold @1    4 weeks ago

I'm voting D for democracy, because the alternative could very likely become inconvenient and extremely messy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.4.1  author  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.4    4 weeks ago
I'm voting D for democracy,

So you have resigned yourself to supporting and voting for an ineffective excuse for a President.

That's great.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.2  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.1    4 weeks ago

I'm voting against a candidate that has a propensity for breaking the law, has been adjudicated for breaking the law, been fined for breaking the law, has more pending legal issues facing him for breaking the law, and currently has a case before SCOTUS claiming presidential immunity for all the laws he has broken while serving as POTUS.

 
 
 
George
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1.4.3  George  replied to  devangelical @1.4.2    4 weeks ago
has been adjudicated for breaking the law

Do you have a link to that? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.4.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @1.4.2    4 weeks ago
propensity for breaking the law

I don't recall any criminal cases.  Perhaps you can link the cases.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.4.5  author  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.4.2    4 weeks ago

yes, the whole point of the blog is about people such as yourself voting against someone instead of who can do a good job.

thank you for the exhibition of precisely what I was saying.

I personally couldn't take pride in voting for an inept clown like Biden.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.5  author  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @1    4 weeks ago
I will vote for Biden because he has been a good president.

What exactly is your criteria for a "good" President?

Mess on the border, high inflation, proxy wars, record deficit in non-pandemic year?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.5    4 weeks ago
proxy wars

is that what they are calling it in far right media ? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.5.2  author  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.5.1    4 weeks ago

I wouldn't know, but I feel confident you tune in.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.5.3  author  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.5.1    4 weeks ago

Do you understand the term?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2  Sparty On    4 weeks ago

Myself,  I don’t love or hate any politician.    I mean, life is way too short for that shit.  

I agree more with one politicians positions more than the others and vote accordingly.   It’s really that simple.   The morons out there trying to emotionalize this process are a big part of the problem.   To that I say:

256

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

LOL

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 weeks ago

Glad I could bring a little joy to your life John.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
4  Robert in Ohio    4 weeks ago

I will vote for the man or woman that I think is capable of doing the best job for the country, not because they are either a Democrat or a Republican - we need to search for and elect public servants rather maintain loyalty to one party and hatred for the other.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1  author  Texan1211  replied to  Robert in Ohio @4    4 weeks ago

Exactly.

Voting for a known failure is counterproductive.

It displays a lack of reason to me.

And all the "justification" in the world doesn't change it.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
4.1.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    3 weeks ago

Voting for a known failure is counterproductive.

T1211

Exactly right, which is why I will not be voting for either Trump or Biden in the fall.

Both are unsuited for leadership in my view.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
5  Nerm_L    4 weeks ago

Look, the next President will be either Biden or Trump.  Both the parties use primaries to rig elections so it is absolutely impossible for any other candidates to compete.  The two parties are going to steal the 2024 Presidential election; the fix is in already.

So, telling me to waste my vote only disenfranchises me.  I did that for the 2016 election and it didn't change one damned thing.  If I don't vote for a Democrat or Republican then I might as well just stay home.  Yeah, I can vote for down ballot races but those elected officials will either be brain dead party loyalists or won't have authority to do anything.  Politics in the United States is conducted the same way as in China.  Vote the party or be re-educated.

The only reason people are upset is because the Democrat and Republican parties can only recruit the shittiest of shitty candidates.  Democrats and Republicans no longer have the ability to find a candidate to vote for.  The parties only use primaries to nominate stopgap mud slingers to prepare for the next election.  Neither Biden or Trump should be in the White House but there isn't any other viable choice.  The two parties will not allow any other choice.  The fix is already in.  

Both parties want us to waste air complaining about the voters.  We're supposed believe it's all the voters fault.  But the real facts are that both parties have rigged the game so that voters don't actually count.  And nothing will change until the primaries are reformed.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1  author  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @5    4 weeks ago

Many people think a vote for Biden or Trump is a waste.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    4 weeks ago
Many people think a vote for Biden or Trump is a waste.

A vote for Biden or Trump IS a waste.  That's what both parties intend.  And the voters don't have a choice; the next President will either be Biden or Trump.

Nobody votes for a candidate any longer.  Voters are required to choose a party to vote for.  And the chosen party demands loyalty.  We're supposed to choose our party during the primaries.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.1    4 weeks ago

You have said numerous times here that you intend to vote for Trump as the so called "lesser of two evils"

but you are actually voting for the Republican Party ? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.3  author  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.1    4 weeks ago

I suppose when enough Americans start to actually care, maybe a third party or independent candidate could emerge. 

We hear the same tired rhetoric every election how a 3rd party can't win and why our vote would be "wasted".

Instead of taking a defeatist attitude that the two parties are always our only options, start think outside the box.

Stand up (not you specifically) for someone you think will do a good job instead of always settling for the lesser of two evils and spending the next 4 years complaining about partisanship while perpetuating the same tired cycles.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    4 weeks ago
You have said numerous times here that you intend to vote for Trump as the so called "lesser of two evils" but you are actually voting for the Republican Party ? 

I am NOT going to vote for Biden.  Biden is a Reagan/Clinton neoliberal and it's time to eliminate neoliberals from government.  To accomplish that it will be necessary to vote for someone that can beat Biden.  So, I don't have a lot of alternatives.

From my perspective Biden is the most dangerous candidate that would do the most harm to the United States.  We've already seen the mess Biden has created by sticking with neoliberal policy ideology.  Biden is harming the United States and threatening the future of the United States.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
5.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.3    4 weeks ago
I suppose when enough Americans start to actually care, maybe a third party or independent candidate could emerge. 

We hear the same tired rhetoric every election how a 3rd party can't win and why our vote would be "wasted".

Instead of taking a defeatist attitude that the two parties are always our only options, start think outside the box.

Stand up (not you specifically) for someone you think will do a good job instead of always settling for the lesser of two evils and spending the next 4 years complaining about partisanship while perpetuating the same tired cycles.

It's not the voters fault.  The only real solutions are to destroy the Democrat and Republican parties.  The public could install a dictator that will overcome party politics.  Another possible solution would be to fight another Civil War that allows a third party to obtain unilateral control of government.  We've already seen that a grass roots movement, like BLM or MAGA, can't achieve sufficiently broad appeal to overcome the rigged game.

One glint of hope is that we now have a Supreme Court that is returning power and authority to the states.  State politics have always been messy but decentralizing political power does weaken the autocratic grip of the two parties on the Federal government.  Decentralizing political power and governing authority makes it much more difficult for the two parties to rig the game.    

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.5    4 weeks ago
The public could install a dictator that will overcome party politics

Yikes !

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
5.1.7  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.6    4 weeks ago
Yikes !

You don't think segments of the electorate wanted Obama to be a dictator?  Barack Obama bragged about bypassing Congress, didn't he?

Can't the current illegal immigrant crisis be traced back to Obama's dictates on immigration?  Obama said Congress wouldn't act so he just used Executive Orders to do what he wanted.

 
 
 
George
Sophomore Guide
5.1.8  George  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.7    4 weeks ago
he just used Executive Orders to do what he wanted.

Something about a pen and a phone comes to mind. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
5.1.9  Nerm_L  replied to  George @5.1.8    4 weeks ago
Something about a pen and a phone comes to mind. 

Yup.  Obama sure didn't say anything about democracy.  Obama and Democrats blamed Republicans in Congress for obstructing Democrats' agenda.  And Democrats demanded that Obama use that pen to assume even more dictatorial power.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.2  Ronin2  replied to  Nerm_L @5    4 weeks ago
I did that for the 2016 election and it didn't change one damned thing.

I voted and campaigned for Gary Johnson in 2016. Just curious which third party candidate you went for?

If I don't vote for a Democrat or Republican then I might as well just stay home.  Yeah, I can vote for down ballot races but those elected officials will either be brain dead party loyalists or won't have authority to do anything.  Politics in the United States is conducted the same way as in China.  Vote the party or be re-educated.

I feel the exact same way after the 2016 election. Many of my leftist (now very former) friends literally disowned me because I didn't vote for Hillary- and "caused her to lose". As if me casting a vote for Johnson was responsible. Johnson- with two candidates as horrible as Clinton/Trump couldn't even garner 10% of the popular vote.

I can't stand Trump or Brandon. If there were a third party candidate I could get behind that had even a chance of winning they would get my vote. Sorry, no Chris Christie, Liz Cheney, or Joe Manchin- I don't go for sell outs. Made that mistake with John McCain. 

The only reason people are upset is because the Democrat and Republican parties can only recruit the shittiest of shitty candidates.  Democrats and Republicans no longer have the ability to find a candidate to vote for.  The parties only use primaries to nominate stopgap mud slingers to prepare for the next election.  Neither Biden or Trump should be in the White House but there isn't any other viable choice.  The two parties will not allow any other choice.  The fix is already in.   Both parties want us to waste air complaining about the voters.  We're supposed believe it's all the voters fault.  But the real facts are that both parties have rigged the game so that voters don't actually count.  And nothing will change until the primaries are reformed.

I can't add anything to that. Well stated and spot on.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
5.2.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Ronin2 @5.2    4 weeks ago
I voted and campaigned for Gary Johnson in 2016. Just curious which third party candidate you went for?

I voted for Bernie Sanders who wasn't even on the ballot.  Bernie Sanders was a more sane and rational candidate than Hillary Clinton. 

(Just so everyone knows, I have been a lifelong Democrat.  That's why I would vote for Sanders before voting for the Republican Trump.  And Democrats lied their asses off about Clinton losing so even a protest vote accomplished absolutely nothing.  Clinton convinced me that the Democrat Party must be destroyed and eliminated from the political landscape.)

I feel the exact same way after the 2016 election. Many of my leftist (now very former) friends literally disowned me because I didn't vote for Hillary- and "caused her to lose". As if me casting a vote for Johnson was responsible. Johnson- with two candidates as horrible as Clinton/Trump couldn't even garner 10% of the popular vote.

According to the goddammed press, voters only voted for Clinton or Trump.  There wasn't any reporting of votes for other candidates or numbers of those who did not vote for President.  The goddammed press won't allow voters to protest; they'll sweep it under the rug.

The whole thing is rigged so that a Democrat or a Republican can steal the election.  Every election is stolen.  And voters who try to do something to change that are either ignored or vilified.  The goddammed press will scapegoat candidates as spoilers instead of reporting on voter protests.  That shouldn't be surprising, just look at how much money the press skims off elections.  The goddammed press ain't gonna bite the hand the feeds them.  That's why the press has been scared shitless over social media.  Now that the press has rigged that, too, the goddammed press is returning to business as usual.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.3  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @5    4 weeks ago

Spot on, I must be a little older than you.    I learned that in 92.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6  author  Texan1211    2 weeks ago

Please vote for someone because you think they are qualified and capable of doing a good job.

Break out of your partisan shells and look at the person you intend to vote for.

This should be done independently, please don't resign yourself to voting for someone you know isn't right.