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Robert in Ohio

Do problems Need Solutions or Just Someone to Blame?

  
By:  Robert in Ohio  •  politics  •  2 months ago  •  162 comments

Do problems Need Solutions or Just Someone to Blame?
“For every problem there is an answer. Empty your thoughts and allow the solution to visit you.” Anonymous

Too many people (I included from time to time I am sure) are so focused on blaming someone for a problem, that they display no interest, enthusiasm or effort to actually solve the problem.

This is the #1 problem with politicians masquerading as public servants at all levels of government.

For example millions, possibly billions of dollars are being spent campaigning - think of the effect that these millions could have on social problems in the country.

I am sure that you can come up with more examples of publicizing the problem getting in the way of solving the problem

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Robert in Ohio
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1  author  Robert in Ohio    2 months ago

It is exhausting to listen to two people (one on the left and one on the right) clearly assign the blame for a problem to the "other" side without spending a bit of time putting forth a solution.

And if an independent suggest that a solution is possible if both sides give a little on what they want and acknowledge that they are both to blame - he/she is shouted down as a lunatic trying to undermine good order and discipline.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @1    2 months ago

I'm assuming everyone can agree with that.

Let's see what happens.

Many are currently lurking.  Maybe by 11AM we'll get some unanimity.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Robert in Ohio @1    2 months ago
And if an independent suggest that a solution is possible if both sides give a little

The word compromise might as well be taken out of the dictionary.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2    2 months ago
The word compromise might as well be taken out of the dictionary.

You got that right.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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1.2.2  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2    2 months ago

RDtC

Absolutely and sadly correct

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @1    2 months ago

That would be the 'right' who blame Democrats/Progressives/Liberals for everything bad in the world and they ALWAYS project, deflect, and deny.

What solutions have the 'right' offered, ever?

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.1  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    2 weeks ago

The vast majority of problems on this planet throughout time have been caused by far-right wing authoritarian fascists.

The last thing this world needs is another

The last thing this world needs is Trump.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @1.3.1    2 weeks ago
The vast majority of problems on this planet throughout time have been caused by far-right wing authoritarian fascists.

Oh, that's great, now we can tell those climate change folks not to be so worked up all the time as if the planet is about to end.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Robert in Ohio @1    2 months ago

Lets face it, it is much easier to place blame than actually do anything to solve a problem.  Placing blame is for the lazy, not for people that want to work to solve a problem.  A good example is the immigration policy.  If politicians spent half the energy solving the problem as they do trying to convince people the problem is the other sides fault we would have solved immigration problems decades ago.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2  Greg Jones    2 months ago

At the end of the day, Ron and Tip would sit down and have a beer together.

I'm afraid those days are gone forever.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Greg Jones @2    2 months ago
At the end of the day, Ron and Tip would sit down and have a beer together.

Or maybe a wee bit of Irish Whiskey.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1    2 months ago
maybe a wee bit of Irish Whiskey.

And then maybe a wee bit more

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Greg Jones @2    2 months ago

Greg

They epitomized the concept "working together" to get things done

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    2 months ago
The headline this morning is that, per entrance polling (Edison Research and major news organizations), "63 percent said that Trump is qualified to be president even if he's convicted of a crime."

* 66% said they did not think Democrat Joe Biden legitimately won the presidency in 2020.

Bad News For Trump – Digby's Hullabaloo (digbysblog.net)

Until we end this insanity, nothing else matters. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago
Until we end this insanity, nothing else matters. 

Frankly the most equitable solution would be to lock up both Trump and Biden.  Removing Trump from the ballot doesn't solve any problems because we're still stuck with Biden.

In this situation, both Trump and Biden are to blame.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @3.1    2 months ago

No.  Projection.  There is no reason to blame President Biden for anything - that's your go to - President Biden has done nothing to warrant him being behind bars but tons of things the former 'president' belongs behind bars for, for the rest of his arrogant and ignorant and hateful life.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.1    2 months ago
President Biden has done nothing

No, actually he has done quite a bit, all of it has hurt Americans.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    2 months ago

Not true.  

That would be the former 'president' who is on his revenge and retribution 'campaign'

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.1    2 months ago
There is no reason to blame President Biden for anything

Denying the undeniable.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.5  cjcold  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

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Right Down the Center
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3.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago
Until we end this insanity, nothing else matters. 

Sounds like an excuse to get nothing done.

The right could always say until we get rid of the antisemites in congress and in the cities nothing else matters.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.2.1  cjcold  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2    2 weeks ago
antisemites

Being an antisemite is just one more level of far right wing fascism. 

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Texan1211
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3.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago
Until we end this insanity, nothing else matters. 

Being so singularly focused on ONE thing and one thing only lets one forget all about all the rest of the world's problems.

There are more things in the world that need a whole lot more attention than Donald Trump.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3    2 months ago
There are more things in the world that need a whole lot more attention than Donald Trump.

BLASPHAMY!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.3.1    2 months ago
BLASPHAMY!

Save me from myself!

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.3.3  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3    2 weeks ago

Donald Trump is a stupid evil person who is running for president. The fact that stupid evil folk are going to vote for him makes him public enemy #1!

Far right-wing fascism is the worst problem on this planet.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @3.3.3    2 weeks ago

Why are you addressing that drivel to me?

Most people have read that I won't be voting for Trump or Biden.

Can you say the same?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago
Until we end this insanity, nothing else matters

I sorry that you don’t have friends or family that matters,

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago
nothing else matters. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

See Bob, it didn't take long.

Don't tell us about "both sides."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 months ago

You cant handle the truth. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 months ago

I already had my morning laugh.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 months ago

Jack Nicholson you ain't!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 months ago

2/3 of Republican voters yesterday told pollsters that thy think Trump won the 2020 election.  This sort of total avoidance of the truth has to be addressed before we talk about "coming together". 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    2 months ago
This sort of total avoidance of the truth has to be addressed.

It’s been addressed by the courts, state voting governance, state electors and media.  How does it get addressed more?

Unfortunately, the has been a growing mistrust of the “system” for decades now getting us to this point were Trump lies are believed by many.  He has right wing media providing supporting fires.

I don’t think we will come together until we have a real crisis across the land, like a Great Depression, a large war, or an inability to finance are growing debt.

Until then we remain on this divided trajectory.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    2 months ago

2/3 of democrats believed the  Russians changed votes in 2016 to give the election to trump. Why doesn’t that type of Total avoidance of truth ever bother you?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.1    2 months ago
Unfortunately, the has been a growing mistrust of the “system” for decades now getting us to this point were Trump lies are believed by many.

This is the "you made me believe a known pathological liar" defense.  It is absurd. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.2    2 months ago

Maybe he likes the truth, just not the whole truth or nothing but the truth.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.3    2 months ago

I not defending it, but it’s not absurd, it’s the truth.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.2.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.1    2 months ago
, the has been a growing mistrust of the “system” for decades now getting us to this point were Trump lies are believed by many.  He has right wing media providing supporting fires.

Yes.  Trump didn't occur out of nowhere.  The soil was well fertilized to allow his spectacular growth. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.2    2 months ago

Your shtick these days is incessant whatabout ism in the service of the worst human being to ever hold high office in America. It is pointless to talk to you. 

How Democrats reacted to 2016 is nothing like the insanity we have seen from the MAGA cult for the past three years. 

A lake is "the same" as a backyard swimming pool in the sense that they both hold water and people can enjoy getting in the water in both.  So what? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.6    2 months ago

Yes and in 2015-16, it was well nurtured by mainstream media to make some more profits.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.7    2 months ago

It’s always your way or the highway,  that’s your shtick, JR.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.9    2 months ago

When it comes to Donald Trump, you're damn right. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.10    2 months ago
When it comes to Donald Trump, you're damn right. 

I don’t think that there is anything else for you.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.11    2 months ago

Why would I talk about finding common ground with traitors? 

I'll leave that sort of thing to you. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.12    2 months ago

Playing fast and loose with the word traitor I see.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.13    2 months ago

Tell us everything you know about Jan 6th and the preceding weeks. I have a minute. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.13    2 months ago

That's what happens when you don't know the definition of a word.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.14    2 months ago

Same old schtick ending with an insult.  Shocking. Assuming I read half of what you post I know everything there is to know through your lens.

So who are the traitors you won't find common ground with, anyone that doesn't agree with you on Jan 6th?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.15    2 months ago

Seems to be an epidemic with some folks, especially on the left!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.18  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.16    2 months ago
Same old schtick ending with an insult. 

You questioned me calling him a traitor. So tell us everything you know about Jan 6th that proves he isnt a traitor.  

I will go with the easy one. 

He sat on his ass for a couple HOURS while he was watching( on tv) a riot, ON HIS BEHALF, take place at the national legislature. Why would he sit on his ass instead of doing something to stop it? BECAUSE HE WANTED IT TO SUCCEED. 

In his speech on the morning of Jan 6, just an hour or so before the riot, he once again asked Pence to "do the right thing" and follow the Eastman plan, an illegal attempt to put Trump back in office and disenfranchise tens of millions of American voters. 

Instead of calling for troops and other LE to descend on the Capitol when the riot started, Trump spent his time on the phone asking congresspeople to support his illegal plan. 

He is a traitor. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.19  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.18    2 months ago
You questioned me calling him a traitor.

No I didn't.  I questioned your statement "Why would I talk about finding common ground with traitors? ", as in more than one.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.12    2 months ago
I'll leave that sort of thing to you. 

Ok, Lincoln also had weird ideas about providing opportunities for former Confederate soldiers and sympathizers and to be granted full pardons.

Absurd isn’t it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.21  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.20    2 months ago
Absurd isn’t it.

No, it makes perfect sense.  Lincoln was a republican so obviously he was a traitor(by todays definition).  The confederates and sympathizers were all traitors.  So it was just a matter of one traitor pardoning other traitors.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.22  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.21    2 months ago
Lincoln was a republican so obviously he was a traitor

is that seriously the best you can do ? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.23  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.22    2 months ago

Why do you think that anyone here wants to give you their best?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.24  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.20    2 months ago
Lincoln also had weird ideas about providing opportunities for former Confederate soldiers and sympathizers and to be granted full pardons.

Lincoln didnt lead and instigate the 1861 insurrection. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.26  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.24    2 months ago
Lincoln didnt lead and instigate the 1861 insurrection. 

So you think that he was misinformed?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.27  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.23    2 months ago

do they want to give me their worst ? that would be weird

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.2.28  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.24    2 months ago

But he pardoned those who lived through it that did

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.29  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.22    2 months ago

So the response went totally over your head.  That is OK, the response was actually not intended for you so it is no surprise it did,

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.30  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.27    2 months ago

Some folks actually say things not to be taken seriously or are satirical in nature.  Many folks can tell by reading the comment, others need the S/.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.31  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.27    2 months ago

I assumed that my sarcasm was self evident.  Bad assumption wrt you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.32  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.12    2 months ago
Why would I talk about finding common ground with traitors? 

And yet, you cheerlead for Traitor Joe regularly.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.33  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.17    2 months ago

An epidemic the rest of us have to deal with.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.34  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.5    2 months ago

If you ain't rabidly attacking Trump with every waking breath, then you are just a Trump defender.

 
 
 
goose is back
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4.2.35  goose is back  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    2 months ago
2/3 of Republican voters yesterday told pollsters that thy think Trump won the 2020 election. 

Hey JR, who gives a fuck! Why are they asking the question in the first place? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.36  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    2 months ago
2/3 of Republican voters yesterday

Robert is talking ethics. Can we forget Trump for 5 minutes?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.37  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.24    2 months ago
Lincoln didnt lead and instigate the 1861 insurrection. 

Neither did Donald Trump.

One thing Lincoln did do in 1862 was to suspend Habeas Corpus. That allowed him to jail rebel without a trial. To this day that act has been questioned. One thing that is not questioned is Lincoln's devotion to this country, unlike Joe Biden.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.38  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.2    2 months ago

According to John's logic we all should be voting against democrats on that point alone!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.39  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.36    2 months ago

The former 'president' has no ethics, morals or scruples.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.40  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.37    2 months ago

Yes he did, he started inciting on election night when he was told that he lost and the turd has been doing it ever since.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.2.41  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.18    2 months ago
"Why would he sit on his ass instead of doing something to stop it? BECAUSE HE WANTED IT TO SUCCEED." 

How in hell could he stop it after it started? It was an unplanned spontaneous disruption caused by small group of right-wing radical thugs. Why weren't the Capitol Police prepared for a crowd of thousands.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.42  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.7    2 months ago
How Democrats reacted to 2016 is nothing like the insanity we have seen from the MAGA cult for the past three years. 

And that has nothing to do with the article.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.43  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2.41    2 months ago

Nope, it was incited by him since the day he lost and he's continued to incite ever since

Spontaneous is bullshit.  Incited is the truth

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.2.44  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.43    2 months ago
Spontaneous is bullshit

If it wasn't spontaneous that would logically mean it was planned. That being the case, it must have been planned. ?And THAT being the case, why weren't the authorities prepared? Makes no sense.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.45  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.36    2 months ago
Can we forget Trump for 5 minutes?

Depends on what your definition of "we" is.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.46  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2.44    one month ago

It was planned.

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.2.47  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.7    2 weeks ago

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Right Down the Center
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4.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 months ago

Some folks are too busy looking at their neighbors house to realize theirs is falling down.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.3    2 months ago

That would be a big mistake as I will be right here should Donald Trump win the election.

In the meantime, Bob must be wondering what happened to the point of his article.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.3.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.3.1    2 months ago

wondering but probably not surprised

Obviously the only way around that is making it clear any comment about Trump will  be deleted.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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5  Nerm_L    2 months ago

Consider that in politics, blame is used to justify a solution in search of a problem.  Political blame is capable of creating problems out of thin air.  What's the point of legislating a solution if a problem doesn't exist?  And if a problem exists there must be a cause.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Nerm_L @5    2 months ago

Sadly true - well said

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1    2 months ago

Not at all.  He thinks the former 'president' is a good 'president' and that President Biden is not.   Many here are under the delusion that President Biden belongs behind bars and the former 'president' does not - again, delusional.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    2 months ago

Many here are under the illusion that Traitor Joe has been wonderful for America.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    2 months ago

Aren't those people usually drooling on themselves?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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6  author  Robert in Ohio    2 months ago

I thank the vast majority of respondents for offering enlightening input to the question.

As usual an attempt was made to hijack the topic and transform the discussion to the usual "I Hate Trump" rant rather than discuss the topic presented, some of you engaged but I chose not to based on the following advice from my favorite author

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JohnRussell
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6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6    2 months ago

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Tell me Robert, who on the right, including Congress, do the Democrats have available to find common ground with?  Comer? Jordan? Greene? Gaetz? 

Are you a never trumper , or will you go in the voting booth and pick "the lesser of two evils". 

The kindest thing one can say about your seeds like this is that in 2024 they are pollyanish. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    2 months ago
The kindest thing one can say about your seeds like this is that in 2024 they are pollyanish. 

So you are here to bring it down? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    2 months ago

You did try to hijack his article.

Bob always tries to look at things as a centrist. Even back at NV I would ask him which side gives him the most angst.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    2 months ago

No, he didn't.

Who cares?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.3    2 months ago

Sorry Bob.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.3    2 months ago
No, he didn't.

He tried to make the article about Trump.

Denying the undeniable

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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6.1.6  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    2 months ago

I called no one a name

I merely quoted a distinguished author for context.

I am somewhat surprised that my quote was deleted, but not that you think as usual that everything is about you and continue to rant and never actually participate in this or any other discussion.

You receive special treatment in that you are allowed to berate and demean people are protected as if by a shield from any feedback.

I can deal with that

I love having you comment on my articles, when you are able to address the topic presented, but would rather you not share your off topic vitriol.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.1.6    2 months ago

No one is ranting here.  John does actually participate very often in this and many other discussions.  What special treatment?    Why are you attacking him?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.1.6    2 months ago
I am somewhat surprised that my quote was deleted

Might get used to it, I had a comment deleted because I MENTIONED a quote from a US President--and I didn't even quote the words he said!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.4    2 months ago

What did you do?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    2 months ago

Isn't that the point of forums?  Discussing/debating the topic raised?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.10    2 months ago
Isn't that the point of forums?  Discussing/debating the topic raised?

Do you understand that Trump was clearly (at least to most) NOT THE TOPIC?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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6.1.12  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.8    2 months ago

I have been around NT and its predecessor site for some time and have been verbally stoned and chained by more than one contributor - I will endure   I appreciate the positive participation too much to let a few derail me.

Thanks

 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.1.6    2 months ago

I have been suspended here at least 5 times, and regularly get as many or more tickets than anyone else. 

What I do is try to post factual material about topics that interest me, and are of general interest to the country. I have no doubt whatsover that I have posted more links to source material than anyone in the history of this forum. I am prepared to back up anything I say with links , quotes, or book sources, when necessary and appropriate.  Your new found friends here almost never do ANY of that. I would surmise that they as, a group, get flagged more for trolling than any other group of 4 or five random other people do.  

Your comment about "idiots" was directed specifically at me. That is why you got a coc violation. 

Why dont you tell everyone how two political sides are going to work together when we have Marjorie Taylor Greene's , Matt Gaetz's , and over 100 other Republicans in Congress who voted to NOT certify the 2020 election on Jan 6 2021. Why dont you address something specific like that ? , 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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6.1.14  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.7    2 months ago

"attacking"

I thought i was quite polite in making my point

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.1.14    2 months ago

No.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.16  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.10    2 months ago

It is a hoot to watch some of the people commenting on this seed act like they are examples of wanting to work "across the aisle". 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.1.14    2 months ago
I thought i was quite polite in making my point

You were!

Kudos to you for your restraint!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.16    2 months ago

Exactly, you on the other hand make it crystal clear that you have zero interest.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.16    2 months ago
It is a hoot to watch some of the people commenting on this seed act like they are examples of wanting to work "across the aisle". 

Going to be hard when faced with reasonable posts like:

Why dont you tell everyone how two political sides are going to work together when we have Marjorie Taylor Greene's , Matt Gaetz's , and over 100 other Republicans in Congress who voted to NOT certify the 2020 election on Jan 6 2021.

Or when people are constantly called traitors and other lovely little names.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.16    2 months ago

It's hilarious!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.13    2 months ago

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MonsterMash
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6.1.22  MonsterMash  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.1.6    2 months ago

Simple solution Bob, in your red box rules say TRUMP IS OFF TOPIC.

When John goes on one of his rants about Trump flag and delete it as off topic.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  MonsterMash @6.1.22    2 months ago

Ahh, those red box rules are kind of flexible, don't ya know!

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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6.1.24  MonsterMash  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.13    2 months ago
I have been suspended here at least 5 times, and regularly get as many or more tickets than anyone else. 

You make more comments in a week than most others make in 6 months, of course you're going to get more tickets.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.1.12    2 months ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.26  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.13    2 months ago
Why dont you tell everyone how two political sides are going to work together when we have Marjorie Taylor Greene's , Matt Gaetz's , and over 100 other Republicans in Congress who voted to NOT certify the 2020 election on Jan 6 2021. Why dont you address something specific like that ? , 

By having adults in the room work together across the aisle.  If they do that and ignore the people you mentioned (and people like the squad and other antisemites you forgot to mention) they will see they don't have to be held be held hostage by the fringe wackadoodles.  If you are saying the people that voted for not certifying the election can not be worked with it is you and people that think like that are dooming this country.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.27  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.25    2 months ago

[From the CoC:]

[Members should refrain from disciplining other members. If someone is violating the CoC, members should make no comment but rather use the flagging system to report it to the moderators.]
 
 
 
goose is back
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6.1.28  goose is back  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.13    one month ago
Republicans in Congress who voted to NOT certify the 2020 election on Jan 6 2021.

JR, you seem to think Republicans are the only ones to object to Certifications. 

Since 2001, Democrats Objected 3 Times to Electoral College Certification (dailysignal.com)

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    one week ago

So true.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6    2 months ago

That is a good one but my favorite is still “Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there is absolutely no point.”

It stays away from name calling but is definitely worth considering in general.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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6.2.1  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2    2 months ago

Good point

Subtle dismissal works with sane and rational people but it escapes others

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.2.1    2 months ago

No, not a good point and it's not true.

[deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.2.1    2 months ago

So you're saying I'm not sane and rational.  Sounds like another attack.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.2.1    2 months ago

One thing to keep in mind is that no matter the topic of an article or blog, some people can't control themselves and have to bring certain completely unrelated topics up.  It's almost like a Tourette Syndrome tick.  

And when you attempt to correct them and get them back on topic they start name calling, crying and spamming the article with nonsense.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.3    2 months ago
So you're saying I'm not sane and rational.  Sounds like another attack.

He absolutely did not say it, and I can prove it by merely asking you to quote him.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.2.1    2 months ago
Subtle dismissal works with sane and rational people but it escapes others

Some may be too involved with playing victim.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.2.4    2 months ago
It's almost like a Tourette Syndrome tick.  

Isn't there some type of medicine folks can take to help curb that?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.2.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.7    2 months ago

Unfortunately there isn't.  

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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6.2.9  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.2.4    2 months ago

I think you may have offended people with Tourette's Syndrome without meaning to jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.2.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.2.1    2 months ago
Subtle dismissal works with sane and rational people but it escapes others

Yes, some take it as an admission of defeat or you can't answer because you don't have a valid argument. A very fifth grade reaction.  Nothing you say is going to change their mind so you can save alot of time if you just let them believe what they want since that is what they are going to ultimately do anyway.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.2.9    2 months ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.2.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.3    2 months ago

Since he never said that it almost seems like an attempt to be a victim

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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6.2.13  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.10    2 months ago

Good point

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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6.2.14  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.11    2 months ago

He didn't offend me, I must have thick skin

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.2.13    2 months ago

Again, no, not a good point.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.2.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.15    2 months ago

It is a good point, an excellent point.  Probably ranks among the top five best points of all time.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.17  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.16    2 months ago
It is a good point, an excellent point.  Probably ranks among the top five best points of all time.

Maybe the bestest point of all time!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.2.19  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.17    2 months ago
Maybe the bestest point of all time!

That is what I was thinking but I wanted to seem humble.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.20  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.19    2 months ago
I wanted to seem humble.

I like that about you!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.2.21  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.2.9    one month ago

And here I am all out of "Give a Shit".  These are the same people who can't define what a woman is and think there are 500 - 600 genders.  They'll get over it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.2.22  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.2.14    one month ago

You may as well stop with this one.  He will just spam your blog with nonsense.  It's the perfect example of what I was talking about in 6.2.4

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7  Right Down the Center    2 months ago

So back to the article.

Have you ever not personally watched something( like a speech or riot coverage) except the left and right media coverage of it.  It is often like they are not talking about the same event.  The spins are ridiculous.  If you only get your news from one side it is easy to see why the sides feel the other side is ignorant and evil.  And the media just keep shoveling the propaganda shit wrapped in a cover saying news and their minions actually consider it news.  How can anyone compromise if they  think the other side is evil and to blame for all their issues??

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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8  author  Robert in Ohio    2 months ago

I enjoy trying to instigate actual discussion of issues and will likely continue to do so, even though there are some here that wish no discussion, wish no debate, wish no exchange of ideas with respect.

To those that attack and hijack any attempt at discussion - I say go for it, as you are protected it seems from honest feedback on your actions.

I guess I will not quote Mr. Twain again as it seems that I regard him more highly than others.

Until my next offering I bid you all good day

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @8    2 months ago

Isn't that what these forums are about?  Debating and discussing?  I just see you attacking John, I don't see him hijacking [deleted] or any attempt at discussion.

Sounds like you're playing the victim here of nothing.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.1    2 months ago

Why are you attacking Robert for correctly pointing out that a few people insist on making this about Trump even though the article is not about him?

 
 
 
Freefaller
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9  Freefaller    2 months ago

If we're talking pollitics then all that's needed is someone else to blame

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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9.1  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Freefaller @9    one month ago

unfortunately, you appear to be correct

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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10  sandy-2021492    one month ago

Thread @6.2 locked for slap fighting.  Play nice, please.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11  Buzz of the Orient    2 weeks ago
"For every problem there is an answer."

Okay, what is the exact number for OIP-C.ne-FYrDnDHuhgM3RTiJKdQAAAA?w=184&h=184&c=7&r=0&o=5&dpr=1.3&pid=1.7 ?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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11.1  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11    one week ago

Succinctly, pi—which is written as the Greek letter for p, or π—is the ratio of the circumference of any circle to the diameter of that circle. Regardless of the circle's size, this ratio will always equal pi. In decimal form, the value of pi is approximately 3.14. But pi is an irrational number, meaning that its decimal form neither ends (like 1/4 = 0.25) nor becomes repetitive (like 1/6 = 0.166666...).

What Is Pi, and How Did It Originate? | Scientific American

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Robert in Ohio @11.1    one week ago

That is a description, somewhat of an explanation, but it doesn't answer the question, i.s. solve the problem.  The problem, which cannot be solved, is that the exact number cannot be reached, the numbers go on to infinity.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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11.1.2  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.1.1    one week ago

Actually if you read it, you will discover that it is support for conclusion that pi is an irrational number which cannot be described as a ration between two integers, but nonetheless pi is the answer to many questions in the world of mathematics.

If that is your response to the question "do all problems need solutions" then you sound like a hard "no" and the deft way you shifted to the abstractness of pi would make you a great politician.

I mena that as a compliment

 
 
 
Thomas
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11.1.3  Thomas  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.1.1    one week ago
That is a description, somewhat of an explanation, but it doesn't answer the question, i.s. solve the problem.  The problem, which cannot be solved, is that the exact number cannot be reached, the numbers go on to infinity.

So all of the calculations involving pi are wrong because there is no "answer" to the "problem"? The problem here is the definition of a problem. (Are you dizzy yet? jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif ) 3.14 will get you close on a first approximation. Add a few digits and that will suffice for most engineers. Physicists might need many more to get their calculations to be more accurate. I think the problem of pi is dependant upon the application, and as long as it's irrationality is taken as a given, there is no problem, especially when represented symbolically in a formula.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Thomas @11.1.3    one week ago

Ah but if irrationality is taken as a given, that could solve a lot of problems, could it not?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Robert in Ohio @11.1.2    one week ago

Well, thank you.

 
 
 
Thomas
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11.1.6  Thomas  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.1.4    one week ago

A little double entendre there, eh?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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11.1.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Thomas @11.1.6    one week ago

If you think so, then I plead guilty.

 
 
 
Thomas
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13  Thomas    one week ago
Do Problems Need Solutions Or Just Someone To Blame?

Too many people (I included from time to time I am sure) are so focused on blaming someone for a problem, that they display no interest, enthusiasm or effort to actually solve the problem.

This is the #1 problem with politicians masquerading as public servants at all levels of government.

For example millions, possibly billions of dollars are being spent campaigning - think of the effect that these millions could have on social problems in the country.

I am sure that you can come up with more examples of publicizing the problem getting in the way of solving the problem

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To answer the question, "Do Problems Need Solutions Or Just Someone To Blame?" one first needs to define what problems exist and their reason for existence. That is, one must answer the begged question, "Is the problem really a problem?" 

I see or hear daily of people stressing things that they define as being problems. When examined, it turns out that these things might be problematic for certain individuals, but they do not rise to the level of actual problems in as far as they require the search for and implementation of a solution. 

For example: Voting is something that has been done in this country for over 200 years. Over these years, we have gotten fairly good at ensuring that voter registrations are accurate and that the counting of ballots is done accurately and securely. Then, all of the sudden, people started complaining about election integrity. Why? Because they wanted an issue to give them traction to run for office on. Now, I am not saying that we could not improve upon our systems, but those improvements are marginal at best. We are really good at the voting thing because we have been doing it for a long time and the people in charge of maintaining the systems and procedures are dedicated to making sure of an accurate counting. But the people who started questioning the system (with no really good evidence of fraud) continued to question. Fast forward and we find many politicians and everyday people who have lost confidence in the system not because of inaccurate counts, but because of a fictional perception of inaccuracies. Did this problem require a solution in the first place? No. But it has gotten to the point that now we need to change this misperception because it is corrosive to our democracy.

Most of the cultural war issues that are occurring now do not rise to the level of needing solutions, except in cases where there are people who are discriminated against. 

So, quite a few issues are not "problems" and therefore do not require solutions. We just need people to stop being such bigoted assholes. I guess that would be a solution... ¯\_( ツ)_/¯

Some issues do rise to the level of problems in need of a solution. For instance immigration. Republicans use this issue as a foil and do not wish it to be resolved, because then they would not be able to continually bring it up as a problem. As evidence, I present the current state of affairs regarding the passage of a border control bill and funding to the conflicts in Ukraine and Israel. Personally, I think that the focus on the immigration issue is stilted from the start. I think that money should be spent on the system of entry into the country for people seeking asylum. The demonization of immigrants is counterproductive. We should be focused on getting them legally into the country and working. Right now all efforts seem to be directed at keeping the immigrants out, which in my estimation is the wrong way to go about it, but some people only know how to use power bluntly and end up exacerbating the problem. Oh, yeah, they need the problem so they can get elected.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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13.1  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Thomas @13    one week ago

You seem to be saying that the factor in determining if something rises to the level of a problem and then as to whether it is in need of a solution is one's political/social point of view on the issue rather than the issue itself.

That is where we find ourselves today with one side demanding a solution to an issue and the other side dismissing the issue as not being a real or the real problem.

Appreciate the input

 
 
 
Thomas
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13.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Robert in Ohio @13.1    one week ago
You seem to be saying that the factor in determining if something rises to the level of a problem and then as to whether it is in need of a solution is one's political/social point of view on the issue rather than the issue itself.

What I am saying is we need to be aware of issues and investigate them to see if they are actual issues and not merely devices machined out of little bits of fact and much hyperbole to give someone traction so they can gain/maintain power. I do not believe that we have done this as a country. There are ways to objectively quantify issues to see if they rise to the level of problems.

Of course, quantification does not matter if all sides regard the other political players as "the Enemy" and right now that is the perception being pushed. So regarding the pushing of that perception, the largest problem facing the country is the maintenance of the view of the other as the enemy. If we accept this premise, then we can objectively ask ourselves how to fix the problem. Unfortunately, we haven't figured out how to get off of the wheel because when the problem has been defined we go back to the yammering blah-blahs, misinformation, and outright lies, all in the service of the maintenance of power. 

That is where we find ourselves today with one side demanding a solution to an issue and the other side dismissing the issue as not being a real or the real problem.

The population needs to realize that opinions are not facts and even though individuals believe they are "right", that does not give them the authority to discriminate against people who may feel differently. It would appear that this is still a work in progress because people still want to impress their value systems upon others whether it be wanted or not. There are examples of this impression coming from all points of the political compass. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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13.1.2  author  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Thomas @13.1.1    one week ago

The population needs to realize that opinions are not facts and even though individuals believe they are "right"

I try to convince people on the far left, left of center, center, right of center and far right of that simple truth all the time and it seldom works with any of those groups.

Unfortunately, we haven't figured out how to get off of the wheel because when the problem has been defined we go back to the yammering blah-blahs, misinformation, and outright lies, all in the service of the maintenance of power.

And this is why Democrats and Republicans, and some outside those two cults/cliques/groups want to keep that wheel spinning.

Appreciate the back and forth

 
 
 
Thomas
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14  Thomas    one week ago
And this is why Democrats and Republicans, and some outside those two cults/cliques/groups want to keep that wheel spinning.

Absolutely. The country needs to have primary and general elections controlled by a non-partisan source with no party affiliation allowed. The two "teams" have run their course. I see very little chance of something like this happening because of the degree to which the parties have insinuated themselves into the fabric of the current system. 

Appreciate the back and forth

Likewise