Trump Is Traitorous Scum
Every time we think we see a bottom to Trumps behavior the bottom collapses.
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On Fox Business this morning
(Maria) BARTIROMO: I spoke with the president of Poland the other day. President Duda has great respect for you. And I said to him, you know, what if the US walks away and stays away? Here’s what he said: “Without the United States, do you believe that Europe is capable of offering meaningful security to Ukraine?”
Are you comfortable with that? The fact that you walked away and Ukraine may not survive?
TRUMP: Well, it may not survive anyway. But, you know, we have some weaknesses with Russia. You know, it takes two. Look. It was not going to happen. That war, and it happened. So now we’re stuck with this mess. Think of what [Joe Biden] stuck me with. Open borders, where we have 21 million people came into our country, many of whom should not be here. Many are criminals. Many, many are criminals. Many murderers. Murderers, drug dealers, drug lords. We got that. We have the whole mess with Israel on October 7th. We have all of the ramifications from the worst and dumbest withdrawal in history.
BARTIROMO: Both Ukraine and Israel were both attacked by aggressors. Is America treating both countries similarly? Are they treating the aggressors similarly?
TRUMP: I think so.
BARTIROMO: Are you favoring one over the other?
TRUMP: They’re very different places. Okay. Very, very different. You’re talking about different levels of power.
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What happened here? Maria Bartiromo spooked Trump, probably inadvertently, and he admitted whether or not Ukraine survives is insignificant to him. Instead of facing his own failures as a human being and a leader, he tried to change the subject like he always does-
None of that relates to selling out Ukraine.
How is Ukraine being sold out? Being realistic it would appear that Ukraine has no path to victory. A European coalition would only deliver any aid too little and too late. If Zelensky wants this war to end he will have to agree with Putin's terms or risk losing any further US aid. Do you have a better plan.
How many times must this be explained to you? Seriously, man, this is getting ridiculous.
Ukraine was invaded by Putin. Now Trump has stated on the world stage that Ukraine started the war. And if that is not enough, Trump publicly humiliates Zelensky by calling him a dictator with a 4% approval rating. Then Trump and Vance berate Zelensky in the Oval Office in one of the most despicable spectacles most of us have witnessed from a PotUS. And if that is not enough, Trump publicly declares that Ukraine has essentially lost the war. So all of this crap is playing as Russian propaganda shoring up support for Putin at home.
Then Trump starts backing away from NATO. Shuts down intelligence to Ukraine (that they rely upon), pauses aid to Ukraine while Putin is engaging in warfare and killing more people.
The USA should be supporting our ally, supporting the victim of an invading enemy. But Trump is doing the opposite and weakening Ukraine's position.
How do you possibly not see that this is selling out Ukraine prior to having negotiations for peace? How can you possibly not see that weakening Ukraine's position makes coming to an agreement even more difficult?
Buy a vowel.
You can't expect a trmp supporter to see the truth, can you?
The European coalition has been dragging their feet as usual expecting the US to do everything. Now they're crying because the US, rightfully, refuses to do any more. They need to step up for their own security for once.
Their plan seems to be that the US keep dumping money and supplies into a winless war. A war that the US has no business being part of.
If the war is hurting Russia and our troops are not directly involved it is worth our support
Short-sighted, simplistic reasoning.
We are part of this as the leader of the free world fighting back against those who invade their neighbors. It is our long-standing strategic position to dissuade actions like this worldwide. We have been involved for three years so we either abandon our principles and throw all of our efforts and the efforts of our allies aside or we pump up the volume with a show of support and force that encourages Putin to realistically negotiate for peace.
An approach:
What Trump is doing is not even negotiation. It is capitulation. He is taking the easiest route ... throw Zelensky and Ukraine under the bus. Trump is not a strong negotiator. Trump is a coward kowtowing to Putin. And I expected this because Trump flat out does not care about anyone other than himself. He wants the war to end, no matter how, so that he can brag about himself. The first clue that this would be his approach was when he stupidly claimed he could end the war with a phone call.
If Trump was in favor of Ukraine all these toads would be too. It is amazing how many have sold their minds and souls to that fool.
No doubt about it.
And simple reasoning isn't necessarily a problem. If we don't need to be involved, we shouldn't be involved. Plain and simple. Especially if the US is carrying the burden of the bulk of the support. We aren't the only country.
Opinion and talking point. Nothing more, nothing less.
But to what extent? To date the US has provided unmatched support to Ukraine. That's ONE country, not a group like the EU / NATO.
How do we support our ally? In your zeal to mindlessly condemn Trump you can never come up with a straight or honest answer. Zelensky and the Ukraine people gave it the good fight, but they have indeed essentially lost the war. They have no position of strength. How can you possibly not see and understand that.
A flat out lie. Most recently read @1.1.5
An obvious conclusion based on his actions. He bullies the weaker ally and praises Putin.
Trump is a coward.
Again, opinion and talking point.
You keep throwing out negotiating 101 like it applies here. Like all classes or seminars they teach you the theory and you decide the application for a particular case. So lets unpack this, shall we?
An approach:
I don't agree with Trump stopping aid and intelligence at this point. But he did so here we are. We can either complain about it daily or move on to where we currently find ourselves. If someone has an issue with Trump being moderator he should ask for another. Trump should be fired as the moderator. Trump is taking the lead and it seems no one wants to take it away from him.
Anyone that has been paying even minimal attention know exactly what both sides want and say they need. As it stands now Russia has pretty much all the cards and Ukraine is in denial over it. Do you expect what they have been saying for the past 3 years is going to change and Trump is the reason it won't?
You mean pressure like supplying weapons, intelligence and sanctions? That would be great, I hope they start it soon. Maybe the EU will even stop purchasing more oil and gas from Russia than they give to Ukraine in aid.
If you can't get past step 2 and 3 then 4 and 5 become moot.
Good that you recognize that Trump is wrong. Bad that you shrug your shoulders.
You are simply repeating Trump-Putin talking points. That is bullshit. The USA and EU/NATO can (as the EU is doing) pump up the volume. It is Trump who is weakening Ukraine when he should be shoring it up.
Yes. Obviously. It is not as if the USA and EU are not able to do more. We are trying to get peace. Peace through strength. Shore up Ukraine so that Putin is motivated to negotiate. How is this not obvious to you?
Yeah and water is wet. Snow is cold. Trump is an asshole.
I listed the steps in that order for a reason. Of course it makes no sense to try to negotiate unless you have prepared a negotiation strategy.
So you start with bluster and deliver nothing. You think that was a rebuttal??
Why yes it is an excellent rebuttal. It does not surprise me that you don't see it. The fact that you have to try and belittle it is proof that it hit target.
What good would it do Ukraine if I screamed at the sky every day about it? It is what it is and all the complaining in the world will not change that. I understand that, do you?
That is bullshit Trump hater talking points. How can they pump up the volume? What are they doing now to pump up the volume that could actually matter? Please be specific and try not to blame Trump for their inability too do so.
It is obvious that if everyone could and would do more it could marginally help Ukraine. Ukraine is on life support. I am surprised you can't see this. You keep saying everyone can do more but I am not hearing that from them, only you and other like minded folks. So again, what more (specifically) have you heard them say they would do?
Exactly my point.
Do you no pay any attention to what is taking place? Right off the bat the EU can increase air support. But in general, how is it that anyone thinks that the EU and the USA have maxed out their ability to support Ukraine with weapons, intelligence, etc.?
More irrational, blind support for Trump. Buy a vowel.
That is exactly what Putin wants everyone to believe. Sadly, we have a rightwing media machine that regurgitates RT lies as truth and the right gobble it up.
So, they "lost the war" yet Russia doesn't control more than 18% of the territory which is almost 10% less than they held in 2022. More than 46,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed and 380,000 injured on the battlefield while over 90,000 Russian soldiers have been killed and estimates that Russia has lost a total of 859,920 troops, a figure believed to include "dead, wounded, missing and captured" soldiers.
Who is winning the war in Ukraine? | The Week
While it's true, Ukraine relies on its allies and western democracy partners for continued defense, and unless other countries are willing to actually put boots on the ground it is likely that Russia will outlast Ukraine which will inevitably fall without support. But when did we decide that it was each to their own, every country for themselves, to hell with our allies and NATO and everything our nation built in support of democracy around the globe? And yes, I know, Ukraine isn't a member of NATO, but they should be and we should have let them join as they desperately wanted to because that's exactly what NATO was created for, to protect western democracies from the zombified decayed brain-dead giant bear that is Russia under Putin. When did we abandon our pride as a nation that once stood up against the bullies who invade their neighbors unprovoked and started slaughtering those of a newly blossoming western democracy? Truly disgusting to watch and those who support this move to abandon Ukraine would no doubt be ashamed if they had any shame left. Sadly, they do not.
When will they increase air support? When does France plan on sharing their Nukes? When exactly will they support with more weapons other than to replace the ones already used? What intelligence other than what is already being done do you speak of? When will it start? Are you for Ukraine getting a nuke or two that France will share? All they said was what they could do, not what they are doing. Big whoop. You don't recognize saber rattling? The only thing they will do is spend money on their own defenses because the teat of the US is drying up for them. You have no specifics as to what is actually being done just what could be done. Again, big whoop.
More lame accusations that mean nothing other than your argument is weak.
You go from arguing that there is no additional support to asking about timetables.
Yet again, you have been shown to be dead wrong. Best to not support Trump because you will invariably wind up on the wrong side of truth as you have this time.
Clearly the EU and the USA can provide more support and that was the point. So now you flounder about trying to recover from your ridiculous assertion that more support is not possible.
And when are they going to do that? For 3 years they have been dragging their feet watching as the US provides far more than they have.
We need to keep them busy and using up resources they are low in.
If Russia, under Putin, can get strong they will be more trouble
Until it happens it doesn't happen and there is a good chance it will not. You know, don't count your chickens............................. As of today there is no additional support, only a promise that there might be. Do you see the difference?
No, I have not been shown to be I am dead wrong in the real world, only the orange man bad world.
Give it a rest, I am not buying your bullshit. All your lame accusations accomplish is that your blind hatred of Trump is effecting your objectivity
Of course they could. And the sky is blue. They could give them nukes. They could assassinate Putin. They could send in the troops. That is not the point, or at least not a meaningful point. The point is not if they could but will they. The fact that they could but won't sure won't help Ukraine. So far the allies have been very careful to supply based on what Putin says is a direct attack on Russia. Once again he is dictating terms of help going to Ukraine. So far they have not so hanging your hat on they could is ridiculous and meaningless.
Any day now
Yet another feeble rebuttal. First an argument that it is not possible to shore up support for Ukraine to bring Putin to negotiate reasonably. Now when that is shown to be bullshit, Trump supporters ask about when.
They are working on this right now. Pay attention. I gave you plenty of information in a very nicely packaged YouTube video. Now if you really want to understand what is taking place then do some research.
Russia in greatly weakened. Their interest rates are 21% with inflation over 9.9%. They have hundreds of thousands of lives. And they have shown that their army is weak given they have failed to conquer Ukraine.
You thinking that Russia is invincible is demonstrably wrong. Do some research.
And here you go trying desperately to find some way to defend Trump's stupidity.
Looks like they are quite determined. The question is not so much the EU but rather the actions of the idiot PotUS you continue to try to defend.
I am talking about the Ukraine/Russia war and all you can talk about is Trump, the heck with what actual support will or will not take place.
"Looks like they are quite determined" is your argument about beefing up support? Laughable.
The question is the EU and their support for Ukraine going forward, not the bashing of Trump as you seem to think.
Your deflection is sad. Your argument is so non existent all you have is "but you support Trump".
I will end here since attempting a rational discussion with you is not possible.
So am I. Pay attention.
And the USA! I know that is difficult to deal with and defend Trump at the same time.
Defending Trump is irrational. He is dead wrong and you are dead wrong to try to justify his actions.
Yea yea yea, thanks for the one note song.
Refusal to acknowledge that Trump has damaged international relationships pretty much destroys the credibility of subsequent comments.
Yea yea yea. Still singing that same song. You questioning my credibility is funny.
No objective thinker is buying it.
It's sad it took the US from backing away for them to finally do something.
Another pathetic attempt at dodging the question.
That's putting it mildly.
He also told her that his so-called economic policies could put our country into a recession. I'd say we will be there by no later than June 20th, 5 months after his inauguration. I'm sure the dupes who voted for him approve.
They do not. Instead they believe that the 'stable genius' knows what he is doing and that if we all just trust this moron it will work out in the end.
So as this buffoon harms international relationships, creates trade wars, abandons long-standing international policy (no longer can count on the USA as the leader of the free world), applies a chainsaw to government functions, etc. we are all supposed to just be patient and 'let it play out'.
"Nothing to see here folks, you are all overreacting."
How fucking naive can people be?
What Trump said today is that he doesnt care what happens to Ukraine because Biden left him with a mess.
Could not be more disgraceful. We are in free fall in terms of leadership at the top of our government.
The unhinged piece of shit Elon Musk just called Sen. Mark Kelly a traitor because he went to Ukraine and is sticking up for the Ukrainians.
How exactly does supporting an ally translate into being a traitor?
And if he means a traitor to Trump then that just illustrates how fucked up Trump's positions are relative to Ukraine.
Yeah, what a royal mess Trump has caused and we are just at the beginning of his term.
Unfortunately, we can expect that things are going to get much, much worse. Some of the damage will be irreversible. The question is how long until we reach the breaking point?
what a world