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Zelensky's Big Mistake: Why He Made It and How He Can Fix It

  

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Via:  s  •  3 weeks ago  •  17 comments

Zelensky's Big Mistake: Why He Made It and How He Can Fix It

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Before we address the  events which unfolded  in the Oval Office yesterday, a bunch of disclaimers are sadly necessary. Such are the times we live in.

If you are unfamiliar with my work, when Vladimir Putin’s troops invaded Ukraine in 2022, I went on one of the  biggest TV shows  in Britain to express my shame for what Russia was doing and to call on our leaders to support Volodymyr Zelensky in defence of his country. In the weeks that followed, I gave  interview  after   interview  and participated in endless debates about our involvement in Ukraine. On TRIGGERnometry, we raised the best part of $100,000 in two hours for Ukrainian charities. My wife and I have sent supplies, clothing and our own money to friends, family and strangers in Ukraine to help them deal with the brutality of war and Russia’s deliberate targeting of Ukraine’s energy systems. Only last week, I described Trump’s labelling of Zelensky as a  “dictator”  as “absurd”. I can hardly be accused of being a Putin shill. Indeed, my feelings on the subject are so strong that when I saw a short clip of JD Vance and Donald Trump lambasting Volodymyr Zelensky in front of TV cameras last night, like most people, I assumed that this was yet another example of President Trump strong-arming Ukraine into accepting a rushed and unfavourable ceasefire with Russia. To my embarrassment, I tweeted as much.

Having complained  only last week  of journalists clipping my words out of context, I fell victim to the same trick myself. When I later watched the full 50-minute press conference, it became clear that President Trump had actually done his best to do a deal, and that it was President Zelensky who scuppered it through an ill-advised spat with JD Vance. This gave the Vice President justification to unleash a barrage of anti-Ukraine MAGA talking points he had clearly been waiting to deploy. As if this wasn’t enough, Zelensky then proceeded to mutter an insult under his breath, interrupt and argue with Trump himself, which led to the deal offer being withdrawn and Zelensky being sent to his room without his supper.

So, why did this happen and how can peace be salvaged? To understand why Zelensky acted the way he did, you have to consider the reality he has been operating in:

For the last 3 years, he has led his country in a heroic defence against a brutal and barbaric invasion. He saw innocent Ukrainian civilians being slaughtered, tortured and raped. He watched  missiles and drones  rain down on his towns and cities. He welcomed  Ukrainian POWs  on their return from Russian prisons and torture camps, only to discover they were emaciated, bruised and broken. He has spoken with Ukrainian parents whose children   have been stolen and taken  to Russia.

During the same time period, he has received  standing ovations  in every room he has entered. In Europe, across the political spectrum, Ukraine’s cause is seen as just, righteous and important for our collective safety. Foreign leaders have   travelled to Kiev  for photo ops with him. He has spoken in every major parliament in the world. Praise and attention have been lavished on him from every direction. At every turn, he has been told “we stand with Ukraine”, “Slava Ukraine” and so on.

This is one of the reasons his negotiating position appears somewhat disconnected from reality. During the press conference he argued that Russia must pay for the war on the basis that in history “whoever starts the war, pays”. What he appears to be missing is that this isn’t remotely true: in history, whoever wins makes the losing side pay. While neither side has defeated the other, Ukraine can hardly claim victory.

For all these reasons, the reality vortex he entered in the Oval Office yesterday would have been a shock. The fact is that MAGA, the dominant force in the world’s leading nation, does not share the European view of President Zelensky. You may agree or disagree, but to the current occupants of the White House, their advisors and their base, President Zelensky - and forgive me for putting this bluntly- is an untrustworthy leader of a corrupt country on the other side of the world who keeps asking for more money America doesn’t have to fight a war they neither care about nor feel he can win. Most of these perceptions stem primarily from domestic American politics and the hatred MAGA has for anyone and anything President Biden touched. Most Americans don’t know where Ukraine is and have no reason to care. To them, this is just another “forever war” like Iraq and Afghanistan.

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In other words, President Zelensky walked into a room in which people who don’t particularly like him, don’t particularly trust him, and don’t particularly care about his “just and righteous cause” were nevertheless prepared to continue giving him money, weapons and political support in order to make this problem go away. All he had to do was  look  grateful. When you are attempting to convert other people’s good will into hard currency, that is the bare minimum. And for 40 minutes, Zelensky just about managed.

The rationale for the argument he then instigated with JD Vance is not without merit. As I explained in my last video, Zelensky’s primary concern has to be what are known as “security guarantees” - this is a fancy way of saying that Putin is a proven liar who can’t be trusted to stick to any agreement reached. Therefore, the only way to prevent another invasion is through a permanent presence of European or American troops in between Russia and Ukraine. He kept making this point over and over during the press conference and did so diplomatically enough.

But the way he challenged Vance directly in front of the cameras was catastrophically stupid. Sure, if you hate Trump and Vance and think they’re taking part in a Youtube debate, then Zelensky made a valid point. But this was not a debate. They’re all supposed to be on the same side. And the person who has the most to lose from them not feeling like they’re all on the same side is President Zelensky, or, more importantly, his nation. The arguments about security guarantees should have been made with tact, diplomacy, and in private.

To make things worse, he followed this unfortunate error with another, much bigger one. In Europe, Zelensky is used to winning people over to his cause by claiming that Ukraine is all that stands between them and Vladimir Putin. We can argue about whether such claims are true, but the important thing is that in Europe we are much more receptive to this message for both cultural and pragmatic reasons. We are on the same continent as Russia and NATO’s eastern border is now in contact with Russia. This point of contact would have been significantly extended had Ukraine been overrun.

These arguments don’t wash in America and what’s worse, Americans HATE people painting a negative picture of their society’s future. This is why, I believe, President Trump interrupted Zelensky when he claimed that America won’t be protected from Putin by an ocean and shut him down.

None of this is to suggest that Vance or Trump behaved perfectly. But they aren’t the ones asking for more money, weapons, and diplomatic support. Their job is to look generous and find a route to peace. Zelensky’s job is to realise that he stopped being a human being when he became President of a country reliant on foreign aid to survive. He does not have the luxury of righteousness and his country cannot afford to have him lose control of his senses as he did.


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Sean Treacy
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1  seeder  Sean Treacy    3 weeks ago

This is typically clear headed analysis from one of the more independent thinking  pundits out there:

During the press conference he argued that Russia must pay for the war on the basis that in history “whoever starts the war, pays”. What he appears to be missing is that this isn’t remotely true: in history, whoever wins makes the losing side pay. While neither side has defeated the other, Ukraine can hardly claim victory.

For all these reasons, the reality vortex he entered in the Oval Office yesterday would have been a shock. The fact is that MAGA, the dominant force in the world’s leading nation, does not share the European view of President Zelensky. You may agree or disagree, but to the current occupants of the White House, their advisors and their base, President Zelensky - and forgive me for putting this bluntly- is an untrustworthy leader of a corrupt country on the other side of the world who keeps asking for more money America doesn’t have to fight a war they neither care about nor feel he can win. Most of these perceptions stem primarily from domestic American politics and the hatred MAGA has for anyone and anything President Biden touched. Most Americans don’t know where Ukraine is and have no reason to care. To them, this is just another “forever war” like Iraq and Afghanistan....\

In other words, President Zelensky walked into a room in which people who don’t particularly like him, don’t particularly trust him, and don’t particularly care about his “just and righteous cause” were nevertheless prepared to continue giving him money, weapons and political support in order to make this problem go away. All he had to do was  look  grateful. When you are attempting to convert other people’s good will into hard currency, that is the bare minimum. And for 40 minutes, Zelensky just about managed...

But the way he challenged Vance directly in front of the cameras was catastrophically stupid. Sure, if you hate Trump and Vance and think they’re taking part in a Youtube debate, then Zelensky made a valid point. But this was not a debate. They’re all supposed to be on the same side. And the person who has the most to lose from them not feeling like they’re all on the same side is President Zelensky, or, more importantly, his nation. The arguments about security guarantees should have been made with tact, diplomacy, and in private.

To make things worse, he followed this unfortunate error with another, much bigger one. In Europe, Zelensky is used to winning people over to his cause by claiming that Ukraine is all that stands between them and Vladimir Putin. We can argue about whether such claims are true, but the important thing is that in Europe we are much more receptive to this message for both cultural and pragmatic reasons. We are on the same continent as Russia and NATO’s eastern border is now in contact with Russia. This point of contact would have been significantly extended had Ukraine been overrun.

These arguments don’t wash in America 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2  seeder  Sean Treacy    3 weeks ago

This is all common sense. Whoever advised Zelensky to behave like he did, if anyone did, made one of the great diplomatic blunders in history. He played for the cameras and a left wing audience both here and abroad and ignored the people with actual power.  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3  charger 383    3 weeks ago

This meeting should have been behind closed doors, not with cameras on. This was not a public hearing.  In private the differences probably could have been resolved. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  charger 383 @3    3 weeks ago

Yep. In public you just grin and say look forward to continuing to work together and other platitudes,

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3.1.1  charger 383  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    3 weeks ago

do the fighting and arguing in private

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

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Right Down the Center
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5  Right Down the Center    3 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
When I later watched the full 50-minute press conference, it became clear that President Trump had actually done his best to do a deal, and that it was President Zelensky who scuppered it through an ill-advised spat with JD Vance. This gave the Vice President justification to unleash a barrage of anti-Ukraine MAGA talking points he had clearly been waiting to deploy.

This is completely absurd, which calls the sincerity of the whole op Ed into question.   The above paragraph simply isn't true. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6    3 weeks ago
This is completely absurd, which calls the sincerity of the whole op Ed into question.   

I posted this because it was written by a pro-Ukrainian European whose brain isn't broken by Trump.  It's as an honest a take as one can find. 

 
 
 
JBB
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6.1.1  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    3 weeks ago

The one opinion you found you agree with is a Russian blogger?

 
 
 
Gazoo
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6.1.2  Gazoo  replied to  JBB @6.1.1    3 weeks ago

You really should find out more about kisin before making such a ridiculous statement.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    3 weeks ago
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said Western security guarantees are necessary for a ceasefire in the war with Russia.

Zelensky said that after the date for the White House meeting had been already set and announced. Is it possible Trumps team weren't thorough in reading the daily news ? 

Zelensky did not talk back to Vance, in fact he asked Vance if he could speak. 

Zelenskyy: Can I ask you?
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Vance: Sure? Yeah.

Zelensky says Putin has broken many agreements,  and Vance begins to berate him, seemingly for saying Putin has broken many agreements.   I understand that Trump and Vance wanted Zelensky to submit like a puppy dog, but Zelensky had ALREADY told the world there would be no agreement with security guarantees. 

At that point Trump could have said "we'll talk about it in private "  but that was not the plan. Trump has no intention of guaranteeing Ukrainian security as part of the deal.  The deal is Ukraine submits. Trump even said that Zelensky hates Putin too much.   Well, duh?    It is Trumps job as the peace broker to work around that.  BUT he has no intention of doing so. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.3    3 weeks ago
Zelensky had ALREADY told the world there would be no agreement with security guarantees. 

should have been "WITHOUT security guarantees. "

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.4    3 weeks ago

Looks to me like Trump was trying to extort Ukraine based on past support and once he had the mineral rights, he was going to squeeze Ukraine on future support to force them to capitulate.   His rhetoric (starting with the bullshit claim to end the war with a phone call) has suggested (increasingly) that Trump is siding with Putin.   It is sick that a PotUS would even consider something like this ... much less actually do it.

Wake up Trump supporters.

 
 
 
JBB
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7  JBB    3 weeks ago

MAGA Hats are showing their ugly underbellies. Get A Good Look!

 
 
 
Thomas
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8  Thomas    3 weeks ago

This would make sense if it were true. 

When I later watched the full 50-minute press conference, it became clear that President Trump had actually done his best to do a deal, and that it was President Zelensky who scuppered it through an ill-advised spat with JD Vance. This gave the Vice President justification to unleash a barrage of anti-Ukraine MAGA talking points he had clearly been waiting to deploy. As if this wasn’t enough, Zelensky then proceeded to mutter an insult under his breath, interrupt and argue with Trump himself, which led to the deal offer being withdrawn and Zelensky being sent to his room without his supper

This is not what happened. I also watched the entire video. Trump was being nice and acting graciously towards Zelensky. Zelensky did not challenge Vance, he attempted to correct a misstatement. Vance challenged him with a lie, and when Zelensky calmly tried to explain, first Vance and then Trump took turns talking over him. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9  TᵢG    3 weeks ago
When I later watched the full 50-minute press conference, it became clear that President Trump had actually done his best to do a deal, and that it was President Zelensky who scuppered it through an ill-advised spat with JD Vance. 

The author has no credibility.   This is a ridiculously biased distortion of reality.

 
 

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