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Israel Makes Terror Group Say "Uncle"

  

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Via:  krishna  •  one month ago  •  37 comments

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Israel Makes Terror Group Say "Uncle"
Decimated Hezbollah says it is ready for cease-fire talks with Israel

Photo: Hezbollah deputy leader Naim Qassem said the group is now open to negotiating a cease-fire with Israel.VIA REUTERS

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Hezbollah said Tuesday it is now ready to engage in cease-fire talks with Israel, after suffering serious blows to its leadership and ranks in recent months.

The terror group in Lebanon made the announcement after firing more than 100 rockets at the Jewish state hours earlier.

Hezbollah’s deputy secretary general, Naim Qassem, publicly endorsed a truce with Israel, the first such time the terror group has proposed a cease-fire not conditioned on the war in Gaza.

“We support the political efforts led by [Lebanese Parliament Speaker Nabih] Berri under the banner of achieving a cease-fire,” Qassem said, according to a CNN translation.

“Once the cease-fire is firmly established and diplomacy can reach it, all other details will be discussed and decisions will be made collaboratively,” he added.

Qassem’s announcement came within hours of a massive barrage that sent more than 100 missiles soaring from Lebanon at Israel’s northern city of Haifa, the third-largest metropolis in the Jewish state.

Officials said one woman in her 70s was wounded by shrapnel from the attack, which came just a day after another missile barrage on the city that left two others injured.

Hezbollah had previously vowed that it would not stop attacking Israel until it agrees to end the war in Gaza, with the Iran-backed terror group firing missiles over the border nearly every day since Oct. 8.

Qassem’s willingness to accept a cease-fire comes as he is currently the highest-ranking member in the terror group after Israel decimated its ranks in recent months.

Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah was killed Sept. 27, with Israeli defense officials revealing Tuesday that his planned successor, Hashem Safieddine, was likely also killed in an airstrike last week before he could even be formally elected as a replacement.

Along with the two chiefs, the IDF’s airstrikes in southern Lebanon and Beirut have killed more than a dozen senior officials, including the top commanders of Hezbollah’s elite military and missile firing units.

The terror group also suffered a serious blow last month when its pagers and radio systems were detonated in a suspected Israeli attack, killing dozens of people and leaving thousands of operatives injured.

Israel’s ground raids in Lebanon, which are aimed at demolishing Hezbollah’s weapons depots and infrastructure, have also taken a toll on the terrorist group’s numbers.

The Israeli military said it has killed more than 200 Hezbollah operatives during last week’s raids, with multiple tunnels and rocket launching facilities destroyed along the border.


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Krishna
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1  seeder  Krishna    one month ago

Hezbollah said Tuesday it is now ready to engage in cease-fire talks with Israel, after suffering serious blows to its leadership and ranks in recent months.

Hezbollah had previously vowed that it would not stop attacking Israel until it agrees to end the war in Gaza, with the Iran-backed terror group firing missiles over the border nearly every day since Oct. 8.

Hezbollah’s deputy secretary general, Naim Qassem, publicly endorsed a truce with Israel, the first such time the terror group has proposed a cease-fire not conditioned on the war in Gaza.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1    one month ago

Echoing what Ed already wrote below, I wouldn't trust any declared terrorist organization that is Iran's proxy to keep such a cease fire permanent, just the same as Hamas has always broken every cease fire with Israel.  A peace treaty with the Lebanese government and endorsed by Hezbollah would be a better offer, and more likely to be permanent (unless, of course Iran pushes its proxy to break the deal). 

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    one month ago
A peace treaty with the Lebanese government

That might be a good idea-- except I believe the Lebanese gov't is very weak.Also it has many different parties that argue with each other a lot.

And BTW, if I 'm not mistaken, Hizb'Allah itself has representatives in the Lebanese legislature. (H. is also a political party).

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.1.1    one month ago

If such a concept would come to fruition, since Hezbollah IS a political party in Lebanon's legislature then their vote would be an indication of their intention, which, if Hamas is any example of an Iranian proxy, would not last long anyway. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.2    one month ago
if Hamas is any example of an Iranian proxy, would not last long anyway. 

Its actually not an Iranian proxy. mainly because Hamas is Sunni and Iran is Shia.

In fact for a while even though both hate non-Muslim countries, Hamas got its missiles from other countries.

But over time Iran's hatred of a non-Muslim country in the area (Israel) was too much-- so they started supporting Hamas.

(In fact while i don't think its been conclusively proven, it seems that Hamas was not initially behind the the mass rapes, beheadings, and tortures of the barbaric October 7th attack-- it seems Iran initiated it and trained the Gazans).

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @1.1.3    one month ago

Do you have actual sources for that information about Hamas not wanting to be barbarians, but Iran got them to do it, or is it your supposition?

 
 
 
Krishna
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2  seeder  Krishna    one month ago

The terror group also suffered a serious blow last month when its pagers and radio systems were detonated in a suspected Israeli attack, killing dozens of people and leaving thousands of operatives injured.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2    one month ago

One of the most brilliant wartime strategies that even Sun Tzu would have appreciated.  I call it second only to The Trojan Horse invasion. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1    one month ago
One of the most brilliant wartime strategies that even Sun Tzu would have appreciated.  I call it second only to The Trojan Horse invasion. 

Agreed. It was pretty amazing!

And they way they continued right after the first attack: first the pagers exploded, then shortly thereafter the terrorists had radios that exploded. And then-- they assassinated Nasrallah (who at the time was 60ft deep underground in a structure that suppodedly wasn't vulnerable from attack from above-- supposedly it could resis a direct hit by a bunker-buster bomb).

In addition within a short time the located and assassinated several other top Hezb'Allah leaders!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2.1.1    one month ago

Reaching so far underground could make Iran concerned about what they most likely thought were invulnerable underground nuclear facilities.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.2    one month ago

Good point— if Israel attacked Iran’s nuclear sites, they might not be as safe as people think!

 
 
 
Krishna
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3  seeder  Krishna    one month ago

Israel’s ground raids in Lebanon, which are aimed at demolishing Hezbollah’s weapons depots and infrastructure, have also taken a toll on the terrorist group’s numbers.

The Israeli military said it has killed more than 200 Hezbollah operatives during last week’s raids, with multiple tunnels and rocket launching facilities destroyed along the border.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @3    one month ago

As long as they are still lobbing missiles into Israel they are not serious and any ceasefire will only allow them to rebuild and be rearmed by Iran. Israel needs to keep the momentum going.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1    one month ago
As long as they are still lobbing missiles into Israel they are not serious and any ceasefire will only allow them to rebuild and be rearmed by Iran. Israel needs to keep the momentum going.

This was a very long article, so I tried to limit length of what I posted-- focusing on the ceasefire details.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    one month ago

As long as they are still lobbing missiles into Israel they are not serious and any ceasefire will only allow them to rebuild and be rearmed by Iran. Israel needs to keep the momentum going.

This was a very long article, so I tried to limit length of what I posted-- focusing on the ceasefire details.

Relevant to your comment, here something I decided to omit:

Qassem’s announcement came within hours of a massive barrage that sent more than 100 missiles soaring from Lebanon at Israel’s  northern city of Haifa , the third-largest metropolis in the Jewish state.

Officials said one woman in her 70s was wounded by shrapnel from the attack, which came just a day after another missile barrage on the city that left two others injured.

Hezbollah had previously vowed that it would not stop attacking Israel until it agrees to end the war in Gaza, with the Iran-backed terror group firing missiles over the border nearly every day since Oct. 8.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.1.2    one month ago

Hezbollah had previously vowed that it would not stop attacking Israel until it agrees to end the war in Gaza, with the Iran-backed terror group firing missiles over the border nearly every day since Oct. 8.

So H. had been insisting it woulddn't stop attacking Israel until there was a ceasefire in Gaza. And this rocket firing into Israel from its Northern border (Lebanon) had been going on daily. But israel knew how to deal with terrorist groups.

So they did what it took to make Hezb'Allah stop. 

(Hopefully H. will resist the temptation to resume its attacks...because the pain they suffered from Israel so far is something I'm pretty sure they don't want to face again!)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    one month ago
"This was a very long article, so I tried to limit length of what I posted"

You wouldn't be the only one here who posts seeds as long as novels. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.2    one month ago
"Officials said one woman in her 70s was wounded by shrapnel from the attack, which came just a day after another missile barrage on the city that left two others injured."

Thankfully Israel's defences to such barrages are as good as they are.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.3    one month ago
"(Hopefully H. will resist the temptation to resume its attacks...because the pain they suffered from Israel so far is something I'm pretty sure they don't want to face again!)"

I don't believe the attacks by the surrounding Muslim nations and regions will end as long as the Koran is not amended to remove the command that the Muslims should fight the Jews and kill them, and their Imams stop preaching that The Day of Judgment will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.7  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.4    one month ago
You wouldn't be the only one here who posts seeds as long as novels.

I never used to do that. But I realized that since you didn't have access to some websites I would post all-- or most-- of an entire article so you could see it.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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3.1.8  Drakkonis  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1    one month ago
As long as they are still lobbing missiles into Israel they are not serious and any ceasefire will only allow them to rebuild and be rearmed by Iran. Israel needs to keep the momentum going.

Agreed, except for the "As long as" part, as it suggests that any of these terrorist groups are interested in moving towards peace. They only ask for cease fires after they've sustained too much damage and are too disorganized to fight anymore. Then they go back at it once they feel they can. That will never change, at least for the foreseeable future. Personally, I think Israel should continue pounding the crap out of Hezbollah. Destroy all of it and then give them the cease fire. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.7    one month ago
"I never used to do that. But I realized that since you didn't have access to some websites I would post all-- or most-- of an entire article so you could see it."

Thank you, the need depends on whether or not I am able to open the particular source, but in most cases of articles that are posted on NT they are blocked. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.10  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.6    one month ago
I don't believe the attacks by the surrounding Muslim nations and regions will end as long as the Koran is not amended to remove the command that the Muslims should fight the Jews and kill them, and their Imams stop preaching that The Day of Judgment will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. 

Its not going to get amended since Muslim believe it is the actual word of their god-- even every period and comma is believed to be accurate!

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.11  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.5    one month ago
Thankfully Israel's defences to such barrages are as good as they are.

Yes-- and in fact many of Israel's innovations in defense hardware is used by the U.S.!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.10    one month ago
"I don't believe the attacks by the surrounding Muslim nations and regions will end as long as the Koran is not amended to remove the command that the Muslims should fight the Jews and kill them, and their Imams stop preaching that The Day of Judgment will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them." 
"It's not going to get amended since Muslim believe it is the actual word of their god-- even every period and comma is believed to be accurate!"

Then Israel will NEVER be allowed to enjoy peace, will be living under a threat forever. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.1.11    one month ago
"Yes-- and in fact many of Israel's innovations in defense hardware is used by the U.S.!"

Yet ANOTHER reason why Israel is an important ally of the USA worth protecting.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3    one month ago
"Israel’s ground raids in Lebanon, which are aimed at demolishing Hezbollah’s weapons depots and infrastructure, have also taken a toll on the terrorist group’s numbers."

It may be that the invasion of Lebanon will not stop, same as that of Gaza, until the militants surrender (which is unlikely) or the last militant has ascended to the Garden of Allah to enjoy the deflowering of their 72 virgins.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2    one month ago
It may be that the invasion of Lebanon will not stop, same as that of Gaza, until the militants surrender (which is unlikely) or the last militant has ascended to the Garden of Allah to enjoy the deflowering of their 72 virgins.

Well if Hiz'Allah suffers enough losses,their leader may order them to quit fighting so they can regroup. Ot if Iran feels threatened, they may order H. to stop.

Iran does not want to get into a full scale war with Israel (and vice-versa!).

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @3.2.1    one month ago

Well, I'm not Chamberlain so I certainly don't envision "Peace in our time".

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4  Jeremy Retired in NC    one month ago
Hezbollah’s deputy secretary general, Naim Qassem, publicly endorsed a truce with Israel

A little late for that now don't you think?  The repercussions what happened in Gaza should have been some kind of indicator of what is to come are a result of attacking Israel.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    one month ago
A little late for that now don't you think?  The repercussions what happened in Gaza should have been some kind of indicator of what is to come are a result of attacking Israel. 

Well they believe that nothing could go wrong because they have their god ("Allah" PBUH) on their side.

But with Israel's attacks on the non-Hizb'Allah Lebanese they are starting to get pressure to "cool it" for a while...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Krishna @4.1    one month ago
But with Israel's attacks on the non-Hizb'Allah Lebanese they are starting to get pressure to "cool it" for a while...

The vast majority of the strikes from Israel have been on facilities / location used by the terrorists.  I think that, unlike Gaza, the people are standing up against Hezbollah so they don't go through what Gaza is going through.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.1    one month ago
The vast majority of the strikes from Israel have been on facilities / location used by the terrorists.  I think that, unlike Gaza, the people are standing up against Hezbollah so they don't go through what Gaza is going through.

I think that's true.

In addition, Gaza is a defacto independent country* totally ruled by the terror organization Hamas. While the terror group Hizb'Allah has a lot of power in Lebanon-- there are also a lot of people in Lebanon who don't like H-- and vote against it in the legislature.. 

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*Gaza had been ruled by the Ottoman Empire, then it was a British Mandate, then it was occupied by Egypt,  then occupied by Israel-- all those periods ended with the end of the Israeli occupation. They are now totally  independent and ruled by Hamas, a "Palestinian" terror organization.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.1.2    one month ago
While the terror group Hizb'Allah has a lot of power in Lebanon-- there are also a lot of people in Lebanon who don't like H.

At one point Lebanon was one of the most-- if not the most-- diverse country in the Middle East. When it gained it's independence (IIRC 1946) it was actually not a Muslim majority country-- more than half the population was indigenous Christians!

And even the Muslim population consisted of several groups-- some did not get along with each other.

Then there are the Druze--- a unique religion!

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.4  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @4.1.3    one month ago
Then there are the Druze--- a unique religion!

From Wikipedia:

The Druze who call themselves al-Muwaḥḥidūn (lit. 'the monotheists' or 'the unitarians')are an Arab esoteric religious group [  from West Asia who adhere to the Druze faith, an   Abrahamic,   monotheistic, and   syncretic   religion whose main tenets assert the unity of God,   reincarnation, and the eternity of the soul.

Although the Druze faith developed from   Isma'ilism , Druze do not identify as   Muslims.

They maintain   Arabic language   and   culture   as integral parts of their identity,   with Arabic being their primary language.   Most Druze religious practices are kept secret,   and conversion to their religion is not permitted for outsiders.

  Interfaith marriages   are rare and strongly discouraged.

Druze believe that, after completing the cycle of rebirth through successive reincarnations, the soul reunites with the   Cosmic Mind   ( al-ʻaql al-kullī ).

(Edited for length)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.1    one month ago
"I think that, unlike Gaza, the people are standing up against Hezbollah so they don't go through what Gaza is going through."

Maybe so, but the Hezbollah militants still hide themselves and their weapons and facilities among the civilians.  But maybe the Lebanese civilians are a lot less supportive of the militants than the Gazan civilians are of Hamas.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.5    one month ago
But maybe the Lebanese civilians are a lot less supportive of the militants than the Gazan civilians are of Hamas.

That's what I'm hoping is the case.  

 
 

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