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Manchin says he won't endorse Harris over abortion filibuster carveout - ABC News

  

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Via:  texan1211  •  2 weeks ago  •  22 comments

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Manchin says he won't endorse Harris over abortion filibuster carveout - ABC News
Outgoing West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, I-W.Va., said Tuesday he is not endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris' White House bid.

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"Shame on her," Manchin told CNN.

ByTal Axelrod, Arthur Jones II, and Allison PecorinSeptember 24, 2024, 5:44 PM

Outgoing West Virginia Independent Sen. Joe Manchin said Tuesday he won't back Vice President Kamala Harris' White House bid after she came out in favor of changing Senate rules to pass abortion protection laws.

"I'm not endorsing her," Manchin told reporters Tuesday.

Earlier, Manchin was more vociferous about Harris' announcement that she'd be in favor of scrapping the chamber's 60-vote filibuster to pass a law reviving the abortion protections that existed under Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that was scrapped in 2022.

"Shame on her," Manchin, who is retiring and left the Democratic Party earlier this year, told CNN. "She knows the filibuster is the Holy Grail of democracy. It's the only thing that keeps us talking and working together."

Outgoing Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, I-Ariz., another retiring Democrat-turned-independent and filibuster defender, also panned the idea, saying it would open the door to further restrictions by a future Republican Senate majority.

"To state the supremely obvious, eliminating the filibuster to codify Roe v Wade also enables a future Congress to ban all abortion nationwide," Sinema posted on X. "What an absolutely terrible, shortsighted idea."

Harris, who along with President Joe Biden, had supported changing Senate rules to help restore Roe v. Wade's protections, which allow abortions until a fetus is viable. She reiterated her stance in an interview with Wisconsin Public Radio.

"I've been very clear: I think we should eliminate the filibuster for Roe,' Harris said. "Fifty-one votes would be what we need to actually put back in law the protections for reproductive freedom and for the ability of every person and every woman to make decisions about their own body and not have their government tell them what to do."

Harris' comments come as she pivots to the center to win over undecided voters, but abortion remains a key issue that fires up the Democratic base and helped the vice president find her footing in office. She has been particularly vocal on the issue after reports of two Georgia women's deaths seemingly due to delayed treatment after undergoing medication abortions.

Still, it's unclear if Democrats would have the votes to pass any abortion protections, as their 51-49 majority hangs by a thread this November due to a formidable map that has them defending seats in several purple states and the red states of Montana and Ohio.

Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer was circumspect on what kind of legislation Democrats would push, only saying Tuesday that "it's something our caucus will discuss in the next session of Congress."

Former President Donald Trump celebrated Manchin's saying he wouldn't endorse Harris.

"Congratulations to Senator Joe Manchin for not endorsing Radical Kamala Harris because of her DEATH WISH for the Filibuster and the Rule of Law. Joe knows that only the 45th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, can protect our Country, our People, and Make America Great Again," Trump posted on his social media platform.

ABC News' Lalee Ibssa contributed to this report.



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Texan1211
Professor Principal
1  seeder  Texan1211    2 weeks ago

Are Democrats really seriously considering this dunder-headed move?

Have they learned absolutely nothing about changing rules to suit themselves?

Manchin and Sinema get it, why can't Harris and Biden?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Manchin now has Trump praising him. His parents must be so proud. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago
Manchin now has Trump praising him. His parents must be so proud. 

If alive, they should be proud of him for recognizing the inherent danger in what Democrats are proposing.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago

Will she go the border tomorrow, John?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    2 weeks ago
Will she go the border tomorrow, John?

Hey, hey now.

Give her a teensy bit of credit--after all she is going to a state WITH a border!!

That's real progress!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.1    2 weeks ago
Give her a teensy bit of credit--after all she is going to a state WITH a border!!

I can't.

I'm hoping she does it. It will put the focus on the border. She is an absolute loser on that issue.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.3  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.2    2 weeks ago
It will put the focus on the border. She is an absolute loser on that issue.

No doubt whatsoever about that.

She has a terrible track record regarding immigration and the border, and all the Kamala cheerleaders can't change that fact.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3  seeder  Texan1211    2 weeks ago

Now that Sinema and Manchin have called Harris out for this boneheaded move, I suspect what will be said about them by Democrats will make what Republicans said about its own defectors pale in comparison.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Another example of Democratic leadership lacking the ability to engage in second order thinking. You'd think, for starters,  if they actually believed their own theories about Trump, that the last thing they'd ever want to do is weaken the powers of congress to oppose a President's agenda. But they can't ever seem to recognize that their own tactics will inevitably used against them and sometime in the future they'll be in the minority. It's like they are little kids who think because it's sunny today that it will be sunny everyday.

If Democratic leaders actually cared about access to abortion, this would be the last policy a fully mentally developed  Democratic Senator  capable of foresight would ever support.  Taking away the filibuster means abortion can be restricted nationwide by a President, a margin of one in the House and a tie in the Senate. 

 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Can you imagine a 50-50 Senate where a VP Walz comes in to cast the deciding vote on a national abortion bill, only to be followed by Republicans turning it right back if they get the majority. The country will just swing back and forth depending on who had a simple majority.

There is a reason that a 60-vote requirement in the Senate has served the nation for so long. It forces debate and compromise and a real consensus.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    2 weeks ago
There is a reason that a 60-vote requirement in the Senate has served the nation for so long. It forces debate and compromise and a real consensus.

That worked until the Republican Party lost its mind around 20 years ago. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 weeks ago
That worked until the Republican Party lost its mind around 20 years ago. 

Wrong.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
6  Gazoo    2 weeks ago

To state the supremely obvious, eliminating the filibuster to codify Roe v Wade also enables a future Congress to ban all abortion nationwide," Sinema posted on X.”

She’s right. Why isn’t harris smart enough to see that?

"I've been very clear: I think we should eliminate the filibuster for Roe,' Harris said. "Fifty-one votes would be what we need to actually put back in law the protections for reproductive freedom and for the ability of every person and every woman to make decisions about their own body and not have their government tell them what to do."”

yet she was all for the vaccine mandates, except for illegals. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Gazoo @6    2 weeks ago
Why isn’t harris smart enough to see that?

Do we really need to ask that?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Gazoo @6    2 weeks ago
She’s right. Why isn’t harris smart enough to see that?

Sinema is so much more rational than most Democrats. No wonder they drove her out of the party. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.2    2 weeks ago
Sinema is so much more rational than most Democrats.

As are many, many non-Democrats!

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7  charger 383    2 weeks ago

I strongly support the right to abortion and we need the filibuster in the senate. It is a very important check.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @7    2 weeks ago
I strongly support the right to abortion and we need the filibuster in the senate. It is a very important check.  

I agree.

Changing the rules for one thing opens the door for other 'exceptions'.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Here's Kamala promising to protect  the filibuster in 2017.  Her word is meaningless.

256

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    2 weeks ago

Ah. Another Kamala flop, er, flip-flop!

How can people be suckered in by one who so easily changes stances because of polls?

Have to remember that Kamala was against deportation but is now trying to convince us that she is "tough".

Sorry, I ain't gullible enough to be fooled by her.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    2 weeks ago

That letter sums up the difference between Republicans and Democrats quite nicely.

When Trump is President, dozens of Republicans sign a bi-partisan letter with Democrats to protect the filibuster. When Biden becomes President, every Democrat but Manchin who signed the letter voted to end the filibuster. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2    2 weeks ago
When Trump is President, dozens of Republicans sign a bi-partisan letter with Democrats to protect the filibuster. When Biden becomes President, every Democrat but Manchin who signed the letter voted to end the filibuster.

And yet Republicans are the threat to democracy?

LMAO!

 
 

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