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Sabotage!

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  one month ago  •  228 comments

Sabotage!
President Joe Biden’s campaign had made the muting of microphones, except for the candidate whose turn it is to speak, a condition of his decision to accept any debates this year. Some aides have said they now regret that decision, saying voters were shielded from hearing Trump’s outbursts during the June debate. A disastrous performance for the incumbent Democrat fueled his exit from the campaign.

Link to quote: Harris accepts rules for Sept. 10 debate with Trump on ABC, including microphone muting | AP News


Tonight is the one and only debate between former President Trump and VP Kamala Harris. It will be a record setting 7th debate for any President for Donald Trump and very likely his last Presidential debate. For Harris it is a must win since all of the media's labors failed to put any distance between her and Trump. As a matter of fact, not only is the honeymoon over, but her slide has begun. ( A recent Times/Sienna Poll now has Trump with a slight lead over Harris nationally.) I have to assume that ABC is going to go beyond the reasonable even-handed debate that CNN allowed Trump-Biden. IMO ABC will try to destroy the Trump candidacy once and for all tonight.

Harris has been preparing non-stop for the debate for the better part of a week. Donald Trump has not prepared at all. He is depending on his insticts for the forgotten American middle class to carry him through.

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The 90-minute debate is hosted by ABC News at Philadelphia’s National Constitution Center. The debate starts at 9 p.m. EST. 

The rules (once demanded by president Biden):


Candidates will stand at a podium, muting microphones throughout the debate except for when it’s the candidate’s turn to speak and excluding props or pre-written notes on stage. The candidates will have a pen, pad of paper and a bottle of water. During the commercial breaks, the candidates will not be able to communicate with their campaign staff. standing at a podium, muting microphones throughout the debate except for when it’s the candidate’s turn to speak and excluding props or pre-written notes on stage. debate will have two commercial breaks and no live audience.

There will be no opening statements and each candidate will be allotted two minutes to answer each question and a two-minute rebuttal. The candidates will also be given an additional minute for a follow-up, clarification or response. At the end of the debate, each candidate will have two minutes for a closing statement.

David Muir and Linsey Davis will moderate the debate. Muir is the anchor and managing editor of ABC News’ “World News Tonight.” Davis anchors “ABC News Live Prime.”

In the New York Times morning newsletter, the Times laid out the questions that ABC should ask former President Trump:

The economy


1. The signature legislation of your presidency was a tax cut that disproportionately helped the wealthy. Now you want to make this legislation permanent — and expand it. How will a tax cut geared toward the rich help most American families?

2. The federal debt is already large, and your tax cut would expand it. Do you have any plans to reduce the debt?

3. You have sent mixed signals about whether you will again try to repeal Obamacare. Will you? And when will you release your own health care plan, as you’ve long promised?

4. You have proposed a big tariff on goods coming into this country. Many business executives and economists say it will raise consumer prices. Why do you think they’re wrong?

5. You have signaled that you want to end the Federal Reserve’s independence and help set interest rates yourself. When other countries have politicized their central banks, inflation has tended to rise. Why do you favor this idea?

6. You promised to pass an infrastructure bill as president but didn’t. President Biden did — along with bipartisan laws on veterans’ health, manufacturing and more. Why has he been a  more bipartisan president  than you were?

Other domestic issues


7. You’ve said that you are proud of the demise of Roe v. Wade and that states should decide abortion policy. Will you promise to veto any congressional bill that imposes new restrictions on states?

8. Many abortions occur through prescription medications. Five months ago, you said you would announce a policy on medication abortion, but you haven’t. Will you take executive actions to restrict its availability?

9. You promised to build a border wall — a policy that many voters support — but you completed only modest sections of it. Why should voters believe you will succeed in a second term?

10. You have called for the mass deportation of illegal immigrants. Whom exactly would you deport — everybody who’s in this country illegally, including children and people who’ve been here for years, or only some groups? And how would you identify and apprehend people?

11. Extreme heat, severe storms and flooding have all become more common. Yet you’ve called climate change “not our problem.” Are you worried about the world you’re leaving to your grandchildren?

Foreign policy


12. You’ve suggested that Vladimir Putin should have a freer hand to do what he wants in Europe. Would you try to withdraw the U.S. from NATO?

13. You have criticized U.S. military aid to Ukraine and pledged to end the war there in a single day. Isn’t this effectively calling for Ukraine to surrender and accept a peace deal favorable to Putin?

14. You have promised to bring home the hostages in Gaza. How would you persuade or force Hamas to release them all?

15. Middle East policy during your presidency often followed the wishes of Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister. His unwillingness to compromise on big questions appears to be an obstacle to peace. Do you disagree with him on anything?

16. If Iran appeared to be building a nuclear weapon, would you order a military attack?

17. You were tougher on China than your predecessors. But you also recently abandoned your opposition to China’s ownership of TikTok, evidently after being lobbied by a Republican donor. Are you willing to stand up to China even if it costs your allies money?

Trump himself


18. You tried to overturn the 2020 election result after Biden beat you. Do you believe in American democracy?

19. On Jan. 6, 2021, rioters attacked police officers at the Capitol. You’ve praised those rioters, raised money for them, pledged to pardon them and met with their relatives. Do you understand why this angers officers who were injured in the attack and the families of those who died afterward?

20. A jury found that you had sexually abused E. Jean Carroll. Another jury convicted you for falsifying records to cover up an affair. And you have  a long record of demeaning women . Do you regret any of this behavior?

21. You used your power as president to enrich yourself and your family, including by holding events at your properties. Will you do so again?

22. The governments of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the U.A.E. have invested billions of dollars with a fund run by Jared Kushner, your son-in-law, even though he has little relevant investment experience. Do you think they’re trying to curry favor with you through him?

23. Four years from now, you would be 82. In public appearances, you sometimes give incoherent answers,  including a recent one about child care . Will you release your complete medical records?

24. Multiple people who watched you up close as president — including your vice president and a chief of staff — say that you’re  unfit to be president . Why do so many of your own appointees feel this way?

The Morning Newsletter - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

With that, Donald Trump should be on the defensive all night long.


In the news:

Israel struck inside a humanitarian area in the southern Gaza Strip, saying its target was a military command center. An unknown Gaza official told the msm that 40 civilians were killed.

Justice Elena Kagan said Americans were right to worry about the Supreme Court soon limiting contraceptive access and same-sex marriage.

A small town in Ohio has been overrun with 20,000 Haitian migrants.


Ukrainian civilians increasingly support negotiations with Moscow to end the war, but soldiers are skeptical about a deal according to the WSJ.

The U.S. Department of Justice said an illegal immigrant has reached an agreement to plead guilty to charges related to stealing a U.S. citizen's identity to  vote in multiple elections  and fraudulently obtain an American passport.

DOJ: Illegal immigrant stole US citizen's identity to vote in multiple elections, obtain American passport (yahoo.com)


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago


Good morning.

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James Earl Jones in 2012.  Todd Heisler/The New York Times

James Earl Jones has died at 93.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

A great loss to those who of us who love watching the movies.  He may have left us, but his voice never will. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1    one month ago

And they say he stuttered as a child.

He did Shakespeare as I think Shakespeare would have liked.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

With that, Donald Trump should be on the defensive all night long.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.2    one month ago

Busy/busy!

 
 
 
evilone
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2  evilone    one month ago

This is where the 538 polling aggregate is this morning. We can come back in a week and compare to see what effect, if any, the debate has on polling.

original

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @2    one month ago

The poll, from  The New York Times and Siena College , has Trump at 48 percent to 47 percent for Harris among likely voters, within the poll’s margin of error. The results are similar to a survey from the pair from July, right after President Joe Biden dropped his reelection bid.

The poll comes ahead of Harris and Trump’s ABC News debate on Tuesday night, the only scheduled debate so far between the two candidates. And that debate could be even more crucial for the vice president: According to the poll, 28 percent of likely voters said they feel like they need to learn more about Harris, compared to 9 percent who said they need to know more about Trump.

Additionally, 47 percent of likely voters viewed Harris as too liberal, while 32 percent of likely voters saw Trump as too conservative.

The NYT/Siena survey is one of the few high-quality, national polls that did not show the vice president receiving at least a small bump following her quickly capturing the nomination and her coronation at the party’s nominating convention last month in Chicago.

Harris, Trump deadlocked in new New York Times poll (msn.com)

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.1  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    one month ago

Both your poll and my posted aggregate say the same thing. Now let's wait a week after the debate and see if there is any significant change. I'll make no predictions... 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @2.1.1    one month ago
Both your poll and my posted aggregate say the same thing.

Those things have a very unique interpretation for Nate Silver.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.3  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    one month ago
Those things have a very unique interpretation for Nate Silver.

All the polling data, whether it comes from 538, RCP or anyone else all dictates a statistical tie. You can listen to any number of talking heads parsing data you want to confirm whatever bias you have, but the numbers remain the same...

Harris is polling slightly ahead of Trump, but still within the margin of error. Nothing more, nothing less. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Question of the day:

Will Harris try to taunt and insult Trump at the debate?

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one month ago

Better question without the implied double standard:

Will either candidate try to taunt and insult their opponent at the debate? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @3.1    one month ago

Progressives are hoping Trump does it.

I think Trump will be heavily baited.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    one month ago

Trump is a master baiter. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @3.1.2    one month ago

Name calling is never a sign of strength in a debate.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.4  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    one month ago

Your correct. Will we see Trump refer to Harris as - Laffin' Kamala, Lyin' Kamala Harris, Kamabla or Crazy Kamabla? Will he disparage her racial heritage? 

I do expect Harris to bring up Trump's convictions at least once, but that would be a true fact though. Not something made up like a QAnon fever dream of Venezuelan drug gangs Trump likes to bring up at rallies.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    one month ago
Name calling is never a sign of strength in a debate.

oh, the irony...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @3.1.4    one month ago
Your correct.

Thank you.


I do expect Harris to bring up Trump's convictions at least once, but that would be a true fact though. 

Not easy to do when answering unrelated questions.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    one month ago
Not easy to do when answering unrelated questions.

trump will open that door for her ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.1.7    one month ago

Perhaps Muir or Davis will ask her what she thinks of Trump.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.5    one month ago

WOW

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    one month ago

You mean easily triggered

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one month ago
Will Harris try to taunt and insult Trump at the debate?

Isn't that what sunk Biden?  IMO Harris will use attacks on Trump to deflect attention away from questions she doesn't want to or can't answer.  But Harris will have to stand up and defend Biden's record since that's the only thing she has to run on.  The debate will end Kamala Harris attempting to portray herself as an outsider on the inside.  Harris does hold the legislative record as the VP who cast the most tie breaking votes in the history of the United States.

IMO Trump will work to tie Harris to Biden's record and will attack with contrasts between his and Biden's record.  Actually Trump has the easiest task, all he has to do is stand there and let everyone else talk.  The polling shows everyone knows Trump so there's really little need for Trump to say much at all.  Trump effectively used the dead mic and split screen during the Biden debate.  (BTW, that's the same strategy Trump used in debating Hillary Clinton.  Remember way back when?)

If Harris attempts to use attacks to hide weaknesses in her argument then she'll end up a loser.  That might persuade a jury but there won't be a debate audience and Harris would be throwing punches in the dark.  If Muir and Davis get caught up in fact-checking or prosecuting Trump then voters will simply blow off the debate as a political hit job.  The only way Trump loses is by rambling too much; he is the old guy on the stage now.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2    one month ago
Isn't that what sunk Biden? 

There are those who now say the Biden debate was a stress test, orchestrated by democrats.


 IMO Harris will use attacks on Trump to deflect attention away from questions she doesn't want to or can't answer.  But Harris will have to stand up and defend Biden's record since that's the only thing she has to run on.  The debate will end Kamala Harris attempting to portray herself as an outsider on the inside.  Harris does hold the legislative record as the VP who cast the most tie breaking votes in the history of the United States.

I'd like to believe that.


IMO Trump will work to tie Harris to Biden's record and will attack with contrasts between his and Biden's record.  Actually Trump has the easiest task, all he has to do is stand there and let everyone else talk.  The polling shows everyone knows Trump so there's really little need for Trump to say much at all.  Trump effectively used the dead mic and split screen during the Biden debate.  (BTW, that's the same strategy Trump used in debating Hillary Clinton.  Remember way back when?)

Yes. I'm hoping Trump learned from the debate you haven't mentioned. The one moderated by Chris Wallace.


If Harris attempts to use attacks to hide weaknesses in her argument then she'll end up a loser.  That might persuade a jury but there won't be a debate audience and Harris would be throwing punches in the dark.  If Muir and Davis get caught up in fact-checking or prosecuting Trump then voters will simply blow off the debate as a political hit job.  The only way Trump loses is by rambling too much; he is the old guy on the stage now.

I think he loses by trying to answer pointed questions.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    one month ago

trump will start the personal attacks in his first rebuttal, he'll carry it over to the next question reply time, and it will be a flat spin to impact until the commercial break. repeat.

it's funny, maga republicans are all saying trump will win if he can control himself, while everyone else is asking if anyone needs to ask that, is he really the type of person that americans deserve in the white house.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.2.2    one month ago
trump will start the personal attacks in his first rebuttal,

How does he do that if he is asked one of the questions in the article?


it's funny, maga republicans are all saying trump will win if he can control himself, while everyone else is asking if anyone needs to ask that, is he really the type of person that americans deserve in the white house.

They are "all saying?"  I just made the case he will be sandbagged.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.4  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    one month ago

youtube has plenty of videos with kamala taking republicans to the woodshed. did you want me to post a few for those needing to have their memories jogged?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3.2.4    one month ago

You are always free to post any highlight reels of Kamala doing anything.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.2.4    one month ago

I know that Kamala can be a bastard, but this isn't that kind of debate. Supposedly, they are not allowed to ask each other questions.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.6    one month ago

Debate stages don't necessarily bode well for former prosecutor types.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.2.8  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    one month ago
There are those who now say the Biden debate was a stress test, orchestrated by democrats.

Maybe.  That's certainly within the realm of possibility.  The impression I got was that Biden had prepared to debate a Trump that didn't show up.  Trump essentially stood back and let Biden whup himself.  (Bit of ironic karma in that.)

Yes. I'm hoping Trump learned from the debate you haven't mentioned. The one moderated by Chris Wallace.

That debate didn't help Chris Wallace, either.  Debate moderators have been gun shy about being suckered into the debate since that infamous night.  ABC (and Disney) have a lot at stake with the debate, too.  Guess we'll find out how disciplined Muir and Davis are.

I think he loses by trying to answer pointed questions.

Maybe.  I still think Trump loses by looking like the old guy on the stage.  Answering pointed questions won't do much damage since it's all stale old news.  But trying to fill 2 minutes with rambling riffs will only make Trump the old guy.   Just remember, Trump doesn't need to win the debate; Trump only needs to avoid screwing himself.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  devangelical @3.2.4    one month ago

Like this one?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.8    one month ago

Why use the full two minutes? Answer the question and move on would be the best route for him to take.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.11  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.6    one month ago
Supposedly, they are not allowed to ask each other questions.

trump is going to follow the rules now? is that why a kill mic switch is now a feature in trump debates?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3.2.11    one month ago
is that why a kill mic switch is now a feature in trump debates?

For those rest of us actually following along, Biden demanded that rule.

Is this just yet another case of incumbent Kamala pretending to distance herself from her boss?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @3.2.11    one month ago
trump is going to follow the rules now?

He can operate within the rules. In the last debate with Biden, I don't know if you noticed, but he came in with about 10 things he wanted to focus on. He managed to fit them into the answers, which weren't really answers.


is that why a kill mic switch is now a feature in trump debates?

It is because Biden demanded it.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.2.14  Nerm_L  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.10    one month ago
Why use the full two minutes? Answer the question and move on would be the best route for him to take.

Yeah, I agree.  Trump's answers to all the pointed questions are already in the can.  No need to rehash stale news.  Trump won't change anyone's mind about those issues at this point.  It's old news, already answered, move on.

Kamala Harris needs to be duct taped to Biden's record; she was in the room after all.  Trump rehashing canned answers to stale questions won't do that.  Trump answering Harris' attacks with silence would do more to rattle Harris than anything else Trump could do.  Trump silence would force Harris to talk about her record and her agenda.  And that's the glue that binds Harris to Biden.

The one exchange I would like to see would be questions about Trump being fit to hold office.  The answer to that pointed question should be that Trump has won primaries; Trump is on the stage because voters wanted him there.  Why is Harris fit for office?  Why is Harris on the debate stage?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.15  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.14    one month ago
Why is Harris on the debate stage?

Because the incumbent is unfit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.2.4    one month ago

I'd love to see at least one of them!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2.17  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    one month ago
There are those who now say the Biden debate was a stress test, orchestrated by democrats.

Sometimes I almost wish that were true and there were some secret Democrat "deep state" "orchestrating" things behind the scenes, that way we wouldn't have to suffer the fools like Trump and his mind-numbingly stupid sycophants and self-righteous conservative Christian pricks trying to assert themselves as our religious overlords and proclaiming themselves the only "true" Americans. If there was a secret cabal running things they would be far more competent and not stick their feet in their mouths as often as the Democrats have. I think Democrats are more competent than Republicans but sadly not by much which is why what should be a landslide victory over a convicted felon and just disgusting vile sexual predator narcissist like Trump is still such a close race.

I'm hoping Trump learned from the debate you haven't mentioned. The one moderated by Chris Wallace.

Trump is impervious to learning new things, he believes everything he does is a fucking miracle, and he has a bunch of bootlicking sycophants confirming his bias at every step so there's no way he'll change anything, he'll just double down like he always does. And his low IQ fans and supporters will just eat it up. He could literally piss in their faces and tell them it's raining lemonade, and they're gleefully gulp it down and tell everyone it's the best tasting lemonade they've ever had.

I think he loses by trying to answer pointed questions.

That's because he doesn't have a single cogent answer, he only has rhetoric and lies to shovel but that won't matter to his sycophants, and it just make his opponents shake their heads in wonder at how his base sticks to him no matter what nonsense comes out of his mouth.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.18  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.13    one month ago
is that why a kill mic switch is now a feature in trump debates?
It is because Biden demanded it.

gee, I wonder why...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.3  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    one month ago

Will Harris try to taunt and insult Trump at the debate?

LMAO... You mean act like trump? Probably not Vic.. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.3.1  GregTx  replied to  MrFrost @3.3    one month ago

LOL, what other avenue do you think she'll take?....

Espouse her policies? Would those be the ones she lifted from the Biden campaign or her actual policies?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

D emocrats are privately acknowledging growing anxiety over the Tuesday night debate between Vice President Harris and former President Trump, arguing that how Harris performs could go a long way in defining her as a candidate.

Four years ago, Harris enjoyed a good night against former Vice President Mike Pence, and that debate might be best remembered for the fly that landed on Pence’s head.

Harris’s public appearances have been tightly scripted since President Biden exited the race and handed her the baton, and a long evening behind the debate podium with only a pad of paper, a pen and a bottle of water presents an array of uncertainties that makes Democrats nervous.

Democratic anxiety over debate grows ahead of Harris-Trump match-up (msn.com)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago
"Four years ago, Harris enjoyed a good night against former Vice President Mike Pence, and that debate might be best remembered for the fly that landed on Pence’s head."

Maybe because I didn't watch the debate the fly is the only thing I remember about it.  However, since I was able to watch the DNC live on Canada's CTV NEWS internet channel, I hope to be able to watch this debate on that site. 

It's now approaching 10 p.m. here, and my bed is calling to me.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    one month ago

Have a good night, Buzz.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    one month ago

Disappointment.  For the first time ever in my experience CTV blocked its live-streaming.  I was able to watch it on ABC but in a broken manner, it kept freezing on and off.  I was only able to get a good idea about what was being said from the updates on this site: -> Trump-Harris debate live updates: Candidates go on attack in zinger-filled showdown - ABC News

I'm not interested in the viewpoints of the NT members with their for or against crap, and I don't trust most polls since they're too easy to manipulate, so I guess the answer will not be obvious until the votes are counted in November. 

And at least I'll get a Canadian viewpoint here: LINK -> (1) What happened at the Harris-Trump debate? Here are the key takeaways - National | Globalnews.ca

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago

Everyone knows Trump is going to be a fuck up in the debate, so there is no mystery there.  The only intrigue comes with Harris. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    one month ago

I think everyone knows that ABC is in the tank.

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    one month ago
I think everyone knows that ABC is in the tank.

how much has ABC paid, so far, in settling lawsuits with partisan bias issues? is it more than $787.5 million?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @4.2.2    one month ago
how much has ABC paid, so far, in settling lawsuits with partisan bias issues?

That isn't a standard in determining bias. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @4.2.2    one month ago
how much has ABC paid, so far, in settling lawsuits with partisan bias issues? is it more than $787.5 million?

Do you recognize that the settlement of lawsuits don't have anything to do with bias?????

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.3    one month ago
That isn't a standard in determining bias. 

it's about journalistic integrity and credibility.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @4.2.5    one month ago

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devangelical
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4.2.7  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.4    one month ago
the settlement of lawsuits don't have anything to do with bias

settling a lawsuit for $787.5 million instead of losing $1.6 billion at trial would seem to refute that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.3    one month ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @4.2.7    one month ago
settling a lawsuit for $787.5 million instead of losing $1.6 billion at trial would seem to refute that.[]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    one month ago
The only intrigue comes with Harris. 

True enough.

What new, fantastical word salads will America be exposed to tonight?

Especially with little Kamala no longer being burdened by the past!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.8    one month ago

removed for context

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    one month ago

No, only those who believe anything the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist says.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.12    one month ago

You think Trump is going to get a fair deal tonight?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.14  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.13    one month ago

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Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.2.15  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.4    one month ago
Do you recognize that the settlement of lawsuits don't have anything to do with bias?

"“The truth matters. Lies have consequences,” Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson told reporters outside a Delaware courthouse after Superior Court Judge Eric Davis announced the deal.

Outside of the $787.5 million promised to Colorado-based Dominion, it was unclear what other consequences Fox would face. Fox acknowledged in a statement “the court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false ,”.

Fox, Dominion reach $787.5M settlement over false election claims | AP News

The lawsuit wasn't specifically about bias, though if you believe Fox isn't biased then clearly [ ] or you don't know what the definition of "bias" is. The suit just proved that Fox lies to its viewers which most Americans with more than half a brain have known for years.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.2.16  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.13    one month ago
You think Trump is going to get a fair deal tonight?

I think he's been given far more "fair deals" when he's interviewed than he deserves and rarely gets called out on his reckless and feckless behavior and rambling nonsensical answers that would get him laughed out of even a high school debate club. Even so, he'll have overwhelming undeserved sympathy from his mindless sycophants claiming he was "sabotaged" or treated unfairly no matter how the debate turns out because there's nothing that right-wing conservative Christians love more than playing the eternal victim.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.2.17  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.15    one month ago
The lawsuit wasn't specifically about bias

EXACTLY MY POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And to equate the lawsuit with bias is idiocy.

though if you believe Fox isn't biased {removed for context} or you don't know what the definition of "bias" is.[]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.3  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago

You know Democrats are a little worried over the debate.

I am pretty sure the annihilation of Biden is a fresh-enough memory for them to recognize the dangers of Dems going off script.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3    one month ago
You know Democrats are a little worried over the debate.

A little as in PETRIFIED!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.3.1    one month ago

What do we have to be worried or scared or petrified over?  

The usual Projection.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.2    one month ago

You can't keep replacing candidates. This is it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago



Tough shit Ohio.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Bernie says Kamala is still a far left progressive, she is simply saying what will get her elected. If she wins, she'll govern as a progressive.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    one month ago

Bernie Sanders told the truth about Kamala Harris trying to fool voters. Believe him.

Harris understands she can't win with her past far-left positions

Sanders is right, of course. Harris' pattern of flip-flopping on policies − like favoring a ban on fracking for oil and gas before opposing it now, or   supporting mandatory gun buybacks   in 2019 but opposing them now − isn't about her growth as a leader or the evolution of her thinking

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1    one month ago

Gee, sounds like Sanders is approving Kamala lying!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1    one month ago

Yes, she is lying to get elected.

I don't think the country is looking to become San Fransisco.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    one month ago
I don't think the country is looking to become San Fransisco.

No way!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Mike Johnson's continuing resolution in hot water as GOP reps announce opposition.

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Here we go again!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    one month ago

Is Johnson going to shut down the government?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @7.1    one month ago

Only the dems can do it. The bill is provided by House Republicans.

Take it or shut down the government.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
7.1.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.1    one month ago
The bill is provided by House Republicans.

There may be enough Freedom Caucus members against a continuing resolution to sink it before it hits the Senate. Massy said he's not voting for it already. Even Biggs in the appropriations committee said he'll try to tack on amendments before he votes yes.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @7.1.2    one month ago

If they can get the 5 democrats who voted for it before to do it again, they may be fine.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
7.1.4  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.3    one month ago

We'll see when it goes to the floor. If it goes to the floor tomorrow then I would assume Johnson is confident he can get it passed. IF they have to wait and rewrite provisions then perhaps not.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @7.1.4    one month ago

It is a toss up.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
7.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @7.1    one month ago

Perhaps an additional paid vacation for me after the end of the month.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @7.1    one month ago

The do nothing republicons are still trying to pass a bill that is not necessary.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.7    one month ago

Then why don't democrats pass it so we can have a temporary budget?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.8    one month ago

Not necessary to pass an unnecessary bill

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.9    one month ago

If it is meaningless, why not pass it rather than shut down the government?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
7.1.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.1    one month ago
Only the dems can do it. The bill is provided by House Republicans.Take it or shut down the government.

I find it funny that when Democrats are the majority in congress and want to pass a bill to fund the government Republicans blame them if they don't make enough concessions and give Republicans what they want, and when Republicans are the majority they still blame Democrats for any potential shutdown if they don't accept the Republican bill without any concessions for Democrats. Heads I win, tails you lose...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8  JohnRussell    one month ago

There are two questions that must be asked of Trump

1.." Who WON the 2020 election.? "    Not who is the president, who won.

2.. "When Jake Tapper asked you in the June debate to say what you were doing for three hours on the afternoon of Jan 6th, you tried to change the subject to Nancy Pelosi, and the border.  No more stalling, what were you doing on the afternoon of Jan 6th? "

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8    one month ago
1.." Who WON the 2020 election.? " 

Joe Biden.

2.. "When Jake Tapper asked you in the June debate to say what you were doing for three hours on the afternoon of Jan 6th, you tried to change the subject to Nancy Pelosi, and the border.  No more stalling, what were you doing on the afternoon of Jan 6th? "

Telling protestors to go peacefully.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1    one month ago

LOL.   You are a good MAGA,  hear no evil see no evil, speak no evil (about J6).    On the afternoon of Jan 6th trump was making phone calls to people in Congress asking them to go along with the eastman plan to delay the certification.  He was doing this instead of either telling the rioters to stop, or calling out the national guard and other LE to put down the riot.  Why was he so disinterested in stopping the riot? Its simple, he wanted it to succeed. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.1    one month ago
 You are a good MAGA,  hear no evil see no evil, speak no evil (about J6). 

I'll let that go.


 On the afternoon of Jan 6th trump was making phone calls to people in Congress asking them to go along with the eastman plan to delay the certification.  He was doing this instead of either telling the rioters to stop, or calling out the national guard and other LE to put down the riot.  Why was he so disinterested in stopping the riot? Its simple, he wanted it to succeed. 

How could it succeed? It was a protest that got out of hand. At no point was there any danger of the election results being reversed.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.2    one month ago

You are making the rather pathetic argument that since Trump didnt succeed its all good and lets have him back for four more years.  The issue with Trump is not whether he succeeded, it is his blatant dereliction of duty. He knew the US Capitol was under assault, inuurrection or riot, and did nothing to stop it.  It disqualifies him from ever holding office again. 

Trump knows this of course. Why do you think has totally refused to answer the question?  Back in the spring Kristen Welker of NBC asked him what he was doing while the riot was going on and he said "I'm not going to tell you that". 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.3    one month ago
ou are making the rather pathetic argument that since Trump didnt succeed its all good and lets have him back for four more years. 

No, I am making the argument that:

A) The Trump years were great for America

and

B) We don't need another minute of Biden's/Harris radical left policies.


Trump knows this of course. Why do you think has totally refused to answer the question?  Back in the spring Kristen Welker of NBC asked him what he was doing while the riot was going on and he said "I'm not going to tell you that". 

As I point out in the article, I am sure ABC will stack the deck with those kinds of questions.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    one month ago

Trump is not fit for office, not just because of "January 6th", although that is part of it. 

He's not fit for office, and nothing on this earth can change that.  We have a situation now where millions of people know that in their hearts and dont care.  That is why we are a degraded country.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.5    one month ago
That is why we are a degraded country.

Oh, I thought you said it was because of racism that we live in a degraded country.[]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.6    one month ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.5    one month ago
Trump is not fit for office

That's not working.


We have a situation now where millions of people know that in their hearts and dont care. 

What we have, John, are millions of people who had their livelihoods undermined by bad trade deals and those people have been looked down upon. Trump resonates with them

They won't be stopped.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.8    one month ago

Policies come and go.  Traitorous behavior is a through line in human history.  A traitor should not be leading a nation. If Trump wins America spirals down. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.9    one month ago

America survived Trump AND Biden.

Jeeze, some folks act as if America is over as a country already.

Silly wabbits!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.9    one month ago
Policies come and go

No, they don't come and go. As Obama once said: they change the trajectory of America.


Traitorous behavior 

No, Trump is not the traitor. As a matter of fact, he is the countries savior.

Have you seen the new Atlantic cover?  For the first time there is no headline.

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I'm entitling it: "To the rescue!"


 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.11    one month ago
No, Trump is not the traitor.

The problem with you trying to make such an argument is that you have shown time and time again that you know absolutely nothing about the plot to overthrow the 2020 election.  You dont have any possibility of refuting the assertion that Trump is a traitor. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.11    one month ago
No, they don't come and go. As Obama once said: they change the trajectory of America.

It was a silly claim that basically said policies don't matter.

Maybe because the Dem candidate is too busy pretending she isn't an incumbent and has tried to distance herself from the policies she and her boss instituted.

Pretending policies don't matter shows a lack of understanding of politics.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.12    one month ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.12    one month ago
The problem with you

Is that I won't be fooled.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.15    one month ago
Is that I won't be fooled.

I am glad to see that you never bought into the hype about Trump.

Notice how the election really is still all about Trump?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.13    one month ago
It was a silly claim that basically said policies don't matter.

Especially when it is America First vs Marxism.  Those are fairly high stakes.


Maybe because the Dem candidate is too busy pretending she isn't an incumbent and has tried to distance herself from the policies she and her boss instituted

Hard to do even for a skilled politician.


Pretending policies don't matter shows a lack of understanding of politics.

Among other things.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.18  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.16    one month ago
Notice how the election really is still all about Trump?

They put up anybody thinking they'll win with anti-Trump votes. That may have worked in 2020, but people then had to live under Biden. It won't be so easy this time.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.11    one month ago

It's an old fashioned hearse. Is he going to whip that poor elephant to death when he gets to the Capitol steps?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.19    one month ago

He is going to drive the deep state authoritarians out of DC.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.11    one month ago

What the image actually means is that Trump is bringing the circus back, in a very dark way. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.18    one month ago
That may have worked in 2020, but people then had to live under Biden. It won't be so easy this time

People have now seen and experienced the sheer ignorance and folly in voting against someone instead of voting for someone.

Hopefully, but still a whole lot of irrational people just planning to vote against someone out there, as evidenced by posts here.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.23  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.21    one month ago

But they didn't caption it.

Thus, I took the initiative.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.21    one month ago

Kamala must be auditioning for Head Clown!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.1.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.21    one month ago

No, what it symbolizes is the fact he is bringing the worn-down GOP (thus the elephant) back to DC to bring it (the party as well as DC itself) back to full life.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.26  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.22    one month ago
People have now seen and experienced the sheer ignorance and folly in voting against someone instead of voting for someone.

That's right because they didn't know what the hell they were getting.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.27  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.20    one month ago

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And replace them with his own

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.28  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.27    one month ago

He served as President remember?

You know Trout, I asked somebody here what Trump policy didn't help the country.

Do you think he said Trump's economy?
Or Trump's secure border?
Or Trump's energy independence?
Or Trump's fair-trade deals?
Or Trump's foreign policy of PEACE through strength?

No, he couldn't comment on any of those.

He said he didn't like Trump's covid response. The same one that had a vaccine in 10 months and less deaths than Biden had with everything Trump developed.

That is what is so sad, Trout.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.29  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.28    one month ago

trmp didn't help me with his so-called tax break. I got an extra 60 bucks a month. That doesn't cover my tobacco habit. His covid response was weak. He kept saying it was going to go away....it took nearly 3 years for the damn pandemic to slow down enough to get everybody back to work. Peace thru strength? Do YOU even know what that means? It doesn't mean throwing bombs at somebody and hoping some of them blow up. It's diplomacy by showing how strong you are.

You know what makes me sad....that somebody with the intelligence you display here honestly says with a straight face that he will destroy the "deep state authoritarianism"

He's an authoritarian, Vic! Why can't you see that? He wants to wipe his ass with the constitution

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.14    one month ago

jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif so true - all the defenders of the indefensible

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.31  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.21    one month ago

To the rescue?

The death of the gop.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
8.1.32  afrayedknot  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.29    one month ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.33  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.29    one month ago

As I recall a few groceries weren't costing me $50.


Peace thru strength?

Yup, the world was at peace as opposed to now.


 It's diplomacy by showing how strong you are.

I see. Since you know about such things, I have two questions:

1) why hasn't "diplomacy" worked for Biden?

2) Explain this:

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.34  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.33    one month ago

I can't.

I see General Patton with few medals on his chest and the other guy has a fruit salad (that's what we called it in the Air Force....oh wait....you hate when I mention my service...sorry!)

They probably didn't hand out medals like candy during WW1 and WWII like they do today. And General Patton was an actual warrior. That other guy is army, looks like. He probably didn't see combat in his youth. And by the time the SW Asia conflict began, this guy was already polishing his stars and going to work in an office somewhere.

You only pay 50 bucks for groceries? Do you actually cook meals or eat out all the time?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.35  Texan1211  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.29    one month ago
trmp didn't help me with his so-called tax break. I got an extra 60 bucks a month. That doesn't cover my tobacco habit

Not everyone is well off, that $60 probably helped some folks out.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
8.1.36  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.12    one month ago

Never convicted of treason, repeating that a hundred times still doesn't make it true.[]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.37  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.28    one month ago
Or Trump's secure border?

More people crossed the border during Trump's term than in either of Obamas terms. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
8.1.38  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.5    one month ago
He's not fit for office, and nothing on this earth can change that.

Perhaps a global draught and the fall of civilization?...

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Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
8.1.39  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.21    one month ago
What the image actually means is that Trump is bringing the circus back, in a very dark way. 

It's like a Rorschach test. Some sad traitor apologists see the picture and see Trump to the rescue while others recognize the darkness and death images, the dead tree and Raven, are being brought by Trump to the Capital that still has some light surrounding it as it tries to ward off the P.T. Barnum of death and disfunction caging, whipping and abusing the last hope for our nation, the once mighty Elephant.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.40  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.34    one month ago

I dont think it is Mark Milleys fault there was no world war going on while he served. 

CLAIM: Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark   A.   Milley has never served in combat or won a war.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False.   Milley , the highest-ranking military officer in the U.S., has   extensive combat experience , including tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. He is authorized to wear the Combat Infantryman Badge, meaning he has   actively participated   in ground combat.

THE FACTS: A photo of Milley is spreading widely on social media, along with claims questioning his military credentials. The image, which does not identify Milley by name, shows the senior officer in his full dress uniform   on the floor of the House of Representatives   prior to the 2022 State of the Union .

“Can someone explain to me how a man who never served in combat and never won a war has THIS many medals on his uniform?” reads   a block of text   above the   photo , which was taken by   Evelyn Hockstein , a Reuters photojournalist.

The image and its accompanying   text   were shared widely on Instagram and Twitter, receiving tens of thousands of likes and shares.

But Milley has extensive   combat   experience . For example, he was deployed as part of   Operation Iraqi Freedom , which began with the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and   Operation Enduring Freedom   in Afghanistan, a response to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Milley’s other deployments include assignments in Egypt, Panama, Haiti and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Milley became a one-star general, also known as a brigadier general,   in 2008 . Since then, two of the most significant conflicts   in which the U.S. has been engaged , the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, concluded with U.S. withdrawal. However, during his   more than   40-year military career, Milley has also been involved with operations that have been seen as U.S. successes. For example, he was part of   Operation Just Cause , which restored the democratically-elected government of Panama to power, and   Operation Uphold Democracy , which brought back democratic rule in Haiti.

Among Milley’s myriad   awards and insignia   is the   Combat Infantryman Badge   with one star, meaning he has won the award twice.   It can be seen on Milley’s jacket in the misleading posts.   There are three basic eligibility requirements for receiving this   badge , which is awarded to soldiers ranked as a colonel or below. According to the   Code of Federal Regulations , a soldier “must be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties,” “must be assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat” and “must actively participate in such ground combat.”

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This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online.   Learn more about fact-checking at the AP .
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.41  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.39    one month ago
Some sad traitor apologists see the picture and see Trump to the rescue

Having seen the articles in that issue of The Atlantic I can assure everyone they are not depicting Trump to the rescue. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.42  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.40    4 weeks ago

I stand corrected. Thank-you

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    one month ago

I'm sure jim jordan will soon launch another house investigation to find out how many teenage boys... er, ... gang members are on those flights...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @9.1    one month ago

How many Haitians did they bring in?

Times up:

More than three-hundred-thousand Haitians are living here legally thanks to Harris-Biden.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @9.1    one month ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
10  Texan1211    one month ago
The U.S. Department of Justice said an illegal immigrant has reached an agreement to plead guilty to charges related to stealing a U.S. citizen's identity to  vote in multiple elections  and fraudulently obtain an American passport.

Is the Biden Justice Department making this stuff up?

After all, liberals for years have assured us all that no way are illegal aliens ever, ever voting in the US because then they would be subject to deportation. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @10    one month ago

I think they are trying to show the American public that they take election fraud seriously.

There is no other reason why they took this one case and made an issue out of it before the election.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    one month ago
I think they are trying to show the American public that they take election fraud seriously.

And I bet that there are folks out there thinking that this must be a one-of-a-kind type of case, that it never, ever happens because liberals decreed it so!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.1    one month ago
And I bet that there are folks out there thinking that this must be a one-of-a-kind type of case

Exactly right!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @11    one month ago

Misrepresentation?

lol

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
12  Sean Treacy    one month ago

I expect ABC will do  it's best to put Trump on the defensive and appear as the incumbent and set Harris up with questions to attack Trump.  Trump will be treated as the incumbent, Harris won't have to defend the last fours. 

Other than that, I have no idea what will happen. Trump's always a wild card. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    one month ago
Trump's always a wild card. 

Trump would be wise to let Kamala speak freely. It would help him by exposing her.

Kamala can also do the same with Trump, with the same results.

Shit's gonna happen when two clowns share a debate stage!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
12.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    one month ago

Kamala is facing a sympathetic network and moderator. She probably has been fed the questions which will very likely be tilted to favor her and against Trump. Another rigged debate, in other words.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
12.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @12.2    one month ago
Trump. Another rigged debate, in other words.

Way to go, setting up excuses before the debate happens, trump would be proud. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
12.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @12.2    one month ago
Another rigged debate, in other words.

If Trump does poorly his ignorant racist base will claim it was all rigged. And if he does well, they'll still claim it was rigged but somehow, against all odds, their champion and savior Dear Fuhrer Donald outsmarted the Dastardly Decepticons. Heads they win, tails we lose...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.2.2    one month ago
If Trump does poorly

The idea, which we have heard in the media, that Trump is a good debater is nonsense. He was a serial liar in the June debate.  That is good? LOL. 

If our pundits were at all honest no one would call him a good debater. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

I just checked:  Kamala's supposed fast-food gig at McDonald's is now missing from her official campaign page bio.

What happened?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @13    one month ago

Trump mistook it for a Big Mac and ate it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1    one month ago

I'm sure ABC won't be asking her about it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.1    one month ago

Why would they?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.2    one month ago

Trump lies dozens of times every day and they are worried about Harris summer job at McDonalds. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.2    one month ago

Character matters!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1.3    one month ago
they are worried about Harris summer job at McDonalds.

How about her riding in that yellow bus when California was integrated?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.4    one month ago

If you actually believed that you would have called for Trump to drop out two or three years ago. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
13.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.5    one month ago

This "memory"...........

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.4    one month ago

Your hero has zero

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1.6    one month ago

That is the mantra of a few. So why doesn't Kamala need it?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13.1.7    one month ago

Oh, those electric school buses.

Ya, that was chilling testimony.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.8    one month ago
Your hero has zero

More than anyone has ever seen!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.4    one month ago

So a person has a low character if they worked at McDonald's?

Your snobbery is showing

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.12    one month ago

When I was in the food service industry not that long ago, I knew a few customers who obviously felt that way.  

The way they made a nasty fucking mess and would just leave it for the lowly peasant minimum wage earner.  These were usually obviously people with some money and who never tipped and went out of their way to be assholes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.11    one month ago

JFC

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.11    one month ago

[]

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.13    one month ago

I worked my way thru college working fast food, waiting tables, and tending bar. Waiting tables was probably the hardest. The worse people would come in at least 2X a month, make a nasty mess, order a single plate salad, but kept going back to the salad bar, and never left a tip.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.16    one month ago

I remember this one lady and her friends who would bring their kids and the kids would all run wild and they would take up/make up three tables - rearrange all the tables and chairs - make a goddamned unreal mess -  like they tell the kids to make as much mess as possible - and forget how to use a trash can - and leave all their trash on the table and all over the floor and leave the chairs and tables that they rearranged not bothering to put back in place.  A godawful mess that I was left to clean up.  I just knew they had nannies and housekeepers at home and never lifted a damned finger to do anything.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
13.1.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.12    one month ago

Not the point and not what he said. She lied.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13.1.18    one month ago

what the fuck are you talking about? Please enlighten me

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
13.1.20  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13.1.18    one month ago

You are wrong. Harris did work at McDonald's...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
13.1.21  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.19    one month ago

He is saying Harris lied about working at McDonald's. Except, Harris did work at McDonald's for a while...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
13.1.22  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.19    one month ago
So a person has a low character if they worked at McDonald's? Your snobbery is showing

Is what you said. She had never worked at McDonalds and had lied about it. Thus pointing to character. NOT the fact that people what work at Mickey D's have/had no character. That is what in the fuck I am talking about.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.1.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13.1.22    one month ago

That's not the way he made it sound.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.1.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13.1.22    one month ago

But she did. From JBB's link above:

Kamala Harris and this columnist have little in common. But we do share one thing: We both had summer jobs at McDonald’s in college.

Sounds like somebody needs to back up and tell everybody sorry for lying about VP Harris's job resume and her character

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.24    one month ago

I can't stand the lies that are being spread about Tim Walz and his honorable service. 

The only ones who give a shit about Kamala working at McDonald's are the gop because her allegedly not working there means what anyway???????????????????????????????

But since it's not true - how desperate can the gop be if this is all they have?  A whole lotta nothin'.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
13.1.26  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @13.1.20    one month ago
McDonald's has not made any statement about whether Harris worked at the restaunt.

McDonalds, it seems, hasn't confirmed nor denied she worked there.

But there is no evidence McDonald's has weighed in on the credibility of Harris' statement. There are no credible news reports about the restaurant chain making a statement about Harris, and nothing resembling the statement appears on the chain's  social   media   accounts  or  web site . Fournier offered no evidence for his claim on X and didn't respond to a request for comment.

Doesn't mean she did...........or didn't of course.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.1.27  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13.1.22    one month ago
  • Harris’ campaign told PolitiFact that Harris worked the cash register and staffed the fry and ice cream machines at a McDonald’s in Alameda, California, in summer 1983.

Harris cant prove she worked at a local McDonalds for a summer 41 years ago..    Hang her !

This is so stupid. 

Trump has claimed that he was number one in his class in the business school at University of Pennsylvania.  One of his professors has said that Trump was one of the dumbest students he ever had. 

Why right wingers want to discuss "character" issues when Trump is their candidate is a real head scratcher. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
13.1.28  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.24    one month ago

I can take the first line out while the firewall stays on too. How about the meat of the article? That is the ONLY source I can find that says she did. Maybe the writer is basing it on her claims that he/she did to let everyone know he/she did too. Let's see some of the verbiage with a time frame ya think?

Hey jbb, why don't you post some of the meat for us?

Thanks

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
13.1.29  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1.27    one month ago

Her "campaign" told PolitiFact.................'Nuff said

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.1.30  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13.1.26    one month ago

McDonald's probably won't weigh in on this. They tend to stay out of the political theater

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.1.31  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.24    one month ago

Funny I don't usually see some folks doing much retracting when proven wrong.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.1.32  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13.1.28    one month ago

I just did a Google search for kamala harris and mcdonald's. I did find that she was never fired from a McDonald's for stealing and McDonald's has never made a statement saying she never worked at one of their franchises.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.1.33  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.31    one month ago

That's because there is no Tooth Fairy, there is no Santa Claus, and there's no Easter Bunny!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
13.1.34  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.13    one month ago

Sounds like low information democrats. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13.1.35  Texan1211  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.24    one month ago

[]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13.1.36  Texan1211  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.32    one month ago
McDonald's has never made a statement saying she never worked at one of their franchises.

McDonald's, to my knowledge, has never made a statement saying she did work there.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13.1.37  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @13.1.27    one month ago

[]

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
13.1.38  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.31    one month ago

So far no one has been proven wrong so there's that......

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.1.39  Trout Giggles  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13.1.38    one month ago

And nobody's been proven right.

Let's just call this a dead issue and leave it here

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.1.40  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.1.12    4 weeks ago

Did she work at McDonalds?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @13    one month ago

Who cares?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @13.2    one month ago

The voters!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @13.2    4 weeks ago
Who cares?

Obviously you do or you wouldn't be commenting.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
13.3  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @13    one month ago

“What happened?”

From an immigrant, middle class family…became a lawyer, State Senator, Vice President of the United States, and candidate for the Presidency. 

Not sure of your credentials, vic. Did your resume not include time spent at a fast food joint? It may be relevant to your time spent here. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  afrayedknot @13.3    one month ago

Is it really all that awful to work a fast food joint when one is in their teens/early 20's? Is it really all that awful for any one of any age to work a fast food joint?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.3.1    one month ago

It really wasn't so bad.  The money wasn't too bad and the people/owners were nice.  I worked at McDonald's when I was around 18 for maybe a year, I forget, lord, that was so long ago!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.3.1    one month ago

It's worse I think when you're getting older like me and have to put up with anyone's shit.  I'm kind of semi-retired right now and paid up my mortgage and condo fees up until I start collecting Social Security in December.  Way sooner than I wanted to, but that's where I am now.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.3.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @13.3.2    one month ago

I worked at Burger King for about a week when I got the waitressing gig at a pizza joint

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
13.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.3.4    one month ago

My best friend worked at Burger King for a while.  I think he liked it.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.3.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @13.3.5    one month ago

I almost fell in the deep fat fryer my first day because the floors in the back were slippy from grease

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.3.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.3.4    one month ago

anyone who works an honest days work is "good" when it comes to working.  instead of people being grateful they are not working at burger king, some of them want to piss on those that do. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.3.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @13.3.7    one month ago

Yeah....we know who they are. We all weren't born with golden toilets in our mouths

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.3.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.3.8    one month ago

In 2011 Occupation Wall Street was going on, and smaller protests like that developed in other cities. 

I was walking down the street in downtown Chicago when I saw some of these "Occupy Wall St." protesters on a corner, so I stopped for a minute to see what was going on. Suddenly these pieces of paper started floating down from above. It happened to be that this protest was beneath the Board Of Trade building in Chicago (which is kind of like the Chicago version of Wall St.)  The papers were being thrown out of the window of an office on the 14th or 15th floor, and it was traders dumping McDonalds job applications on the protesters. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.3.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @13.3.9    one month ago

That's funny, actualy

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
13.3.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @13.3.10    one month ago

I suppose, but they were still arrogant pricks. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
13.3.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @13.3.11    one month ago

I won't get into how I feel about Occupy Wall Street but I will say it started out as a good idea and then it turned into a disaster

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13.3.13  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @13.3.9    one month ago
In 2011 Occupation Wall Street was going on, and smaller protests like that developed in other cities. 

More failed liberal poutrage gone awry.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
13.3.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @13.3    4 weeks ago
Did your resume not include time spent at a fast food joint?

No and I doubt she ever did.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
14  afrayedknot    one month ago

Let us be real. This ‘debate’ will not change a thing. The comments tomorrow will only confirm that fact…the fact that the lines have been drawn and the choice for those willing to cast a vote for either candidate is clear.

November 5th is all that matters, with the down ballot votes deciding the tenor of the next four years. Will trump become the lamest of lame ducks with an emasculated Congress bending to his retribution platform or will Harris be the next president to simply survive the worst state of devious, divisive, and dangerous times we have faced in our lifetimes?

The former poses an existential threat while the latter, at the very least, gives us a glimmer of hope in moving forward instead of limping back. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @14    one month ago
This ‘debate’ will not change a thing.

What of the 18% still undecided?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
14.1.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1    one month ago

“What of the 18% still undecided?”

cite? reality? anyone?

 
 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
14.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @14.1.1    one month ago

Just ask a few leftists here, they seem to be under the impression that enough people are undecided to swing the election. The leftists claimed the same in trying to pin Hillary's loss on Comey.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
14.2  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @14    one month ago

I'm going to be hopefully working at the polls this upcoming election.  I submitted my application the other day.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @14.2    one month ago
I submitted my application the other day.

Me too!

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
14.2.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Tessylo @14.2    one month ago

Good on you.

The training, the established practices, and the bipartisan infrastructure ensures a safe and reliable outcome…regardless of the unsubstantiated allegations already being made. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
14.2.3  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.2.1    one month ago

And good on you, too. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
15  JohnRussell    one month ago
David Rothkopf
@djrothkopf
·
If Jefferson Davis had tried to make a political comeback, would newspapers of the day focus on his agricultural policies or the fact that he led an armed insurrection against the United States?
 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @15    one month ago
If Jefferson Davis had tried to make a political comeback

Maybe Democrats would rather have someone like that than Kamala.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
16  JohnRussell    one month ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
17  JohnRussell    one month ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
18  JohnRussell    one month ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
19  JohnRussell    one month ago

Republicans against Trump

@RpsAgainstTrump ·

Q. Would you have certified the 2020 election? JD Vance: No. “I would have asked the states to submit alternative slates of electors and ask the country to have a debate”

@Liz_Cheney

Let’s be clear: This is illegal and unconstitutional. The American people had voted. The courts had ruled. The Electoral College had met and voted. The Governor in every state had certified the results and sent a legal slate of electors to the Congress to be counted. The Vice President has no constitutional authority to tell states to submit alternative slates of electors because his candidate lost. That is tyranny. Our institutions held on Jan 6 because Mike Pence refused to violate his oath to the Constitution. Trump picked JD Vance because Vance will do whatever Trump wants, including violating the Constitution. They are both far too dangerous to serve. It’s our duty to stop them. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
19.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @19    one month ago

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MrFrost
Professor Guide
20  MrFrost    one month ago

512

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
20.1  JohnRussell  replied to  MrFrost @20    one month ago

aint that the truth

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
20.2  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @20    one month ago

And the Nobel Prize to anyone who can make sense of Kamala's word salads!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
21  JohnRussell    one month ago

George previewed MAGA

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