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CNN flash poll shows Trump as clear winner of first presidential debate: 'Stunning number'

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  vic-eldred  •  2 weeks ago  •  195 comments

By:   Andrew Miller (Fox News)

CNN flash poll shows Trump as clear winner of first presidential debate: 'Stunning number'
CNN's flash poll following the presidential debate showed that a strong majority of viewers believe former President Trump won the showdown against President Biden.

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A flash poll conducted by CNN following Thursday night's presidential debate showed former President Trump soundly defeating President Biden.

The CNN poll posted on air showed that 67% of debate watchers felt that Trump won the debate compared to 33% who believe Biden won the debate.

CNN's poll following the final 2020 presidential debate showed 53% of viewers felt Biden won compared to 39% who said Trump won.

The majority of users on social media seemingly agreed with the CNN poll including liberal pundits.

"This debate was a total and complete disaster for Biden," former CNN commentator Chris Cilizza wrote on X .

"He looked old. His answers trailed off repeatedly. He was hard to understand. He would stop in mid-sentence and move on to something else. I NEVER thought he would be this bad. Stunning. Truly."

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CNN flash poll from Thursday's debate(CNN)

"Stunning number from voters who witnessed his performance with their own eyes," political commentator Alyssa Farah Griffin posted on X in response to the poll.

Biden's team pushed back on the narrative that he lost the debate including VP Kamala Harris, who told CNN, "It was a slow start but a strong finish."

"Joe, you did such a good job!" First Lady Jill Biden said to the president on a stage after the debate. "You answered every question. You knew all the facts."

Fox News Digital reached out to the Biden campaign for comment but did not immediately receive a response.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

For our enemies around the world: the unpredictable one is making a comeback.

For the third world: America is a sovereign nation.

For the radical left: The party is over.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

It’s awfully quiet in here this morning.   Of course most of the usual talking heads are probably still in bed.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sparty On @1.1    2 weeks ago

Scanning the internet to find the defensive talking points to put forth...........count on it

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.1    2 weeks ago

It is a painful day for them.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
Scanning the internet to find the defensive talking points to put forth...........count on it

Seems as though the consensus among Biden supporters is he is just fine!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

I have a premonition that if these two are the choices voters will have on November 5th, you will see the lowest voter turnout America has had for the presidential elections during the 21st century.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2    2 weeks ago

So, we will go from highest voter turnout in 2020 to lowest in 2024?

That would really be a condemnation of the Biden presidency.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

What I've been seeing is concern about the American presidency due to this debate arising around the world.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.2    2 weeks ago

You mean that a lot of countries are concerned about Trump picking up where he left off.

I think some of them have a lot to worry about.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.3    2 weeks ago

And you would be correct sir.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.4    2 weeks ago

Yes the revenge & retribution of #34 will begin.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2    2 weeks ago

No, we will vote blue - we will not stay home -  if President Biden is the nominee - we will vote for him.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.5    2 weeks ago

or should I say continue

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.5    2 weeks ago

#34 was Eisenhower!  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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1.2.9  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2    2 weeks ago

Can't say buzz.

Though I'm not going to vote for either if they become the nominee, and likely won't vote for that particular seat, I will still be going in and voting for other seats on the ballot, more than this race is on the ballot.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    2 weeks ago
"That would really be a condemnation of the Biden presidency."

No, not necessarily what has gone before, but what might happen after.  You shouldn't misinterpret or draw false conclusions from what I said.

 
 
 
CB
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1.3  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

Oops there it is. . .of course it won't be respected and probably not even remarked on, yet hyperpartisanship must be pushed back against:

CNN's Daniel Dale fact checks Trump's and Biden's claims made in debate   cnn

Can't post this IMPORTANT video yet (not on Youtube that I can find), but y'all need to hear Daniel Dale explain Biden's 9 lies and Donald's 35 lies.

(And if/when you do listen to the video, note that Daniel does not count the lie Donald uttered on stage that he did not have sex with Ms. Stormy Daniels.)

So melodramatic. There is nothing to hide away from on this. It was a rough night for Biden. One debate does not cancel or decide a political outcome—especially in June. Wait for the reaction of the candidate to his own 'shortcomings.' Biden will need to look at the playback and see how he was portrayed in split screens and captured in relief to self-determine if he can do better going forward. Or, if it is as good as it gets. 

As for Donald, we expected lies and his lies were SPECTULAR. But, lies can't be the be all that wins a presidential election. Performance (by lying) can't be all intelligent people want in a president or we as a nation are truly 'messed' in the head and get whatever failures of our systems that we will deserve if so.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 weeks ago
he majority of users on social media seemingly agreed with the CNN poll including liberal pundits. "This debate was a total and complete disaster for Biden," former CNN commentator Chris Cilizza wrote on X .

Coming soon.....sycophants trying to make excuses for Traitor Joe's expected performance.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3  Sparty On    2 weeks ago

It was sad watching all the people who have been backstopping him the last five years turn on him last night.    These people have no shame, no honor, little character.    It’s just win, no matter the cost.

After creating basement Biden, they finally threw him to the wolves.    Next up, as predicted months ago, Michelle Obama or Gretchen Whitless.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sparty On @3    2 weeks ago

imagine being someone like Joe Scarborough publicly claiming just a few months ago that Biden is as sharp as ever and this is the best version of him.  I’d sat there’s no coming back from that, but morning Joe and his comrades have pushed so many lies and conspiracies the last seven years it probably won’t matter.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    2 weeks ago

Scarborough has his head so far up Mika’s ass he hasn’t seen the light of day for years.

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.2  CB  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

Apparently nothing is too low a blow to land against people who are not here to defend their honor or their spouses.[]

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  CB @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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4  Just Jim NC TttH    2 weeks ago
"Joe, you did such a good job!" First Lady Jill Biden said to the president on a stage after the debate. "You answered every question. You knew all the facts."

Spoken like a participating trophy mother with a slightly needy child...........

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4    2 weeks ago

Where was Melania?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    2 weeks ago

Probably home knowing that her husband could take care of himself................

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

Yeah, that's the ticket

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Greg Jones
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4.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

It's over Tess, Biden is toast.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.3    2 weeks ago

Don't call me Tess.  That's reserved for people I like.

And you wish.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.3    2 weeks ago

I have serious doubts there will be another debate after last night.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.1.5    2 weeks ago
I have serious doubts there will be another debate after last night.

Me, too.

Not sure if Biden could survive another disaster like last night.

Not even sure if there is an upside for Trump doing another one after the spectacle last night.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

Well, at least Biden put to rest that he would be pumped up on drugs to be super alert, unless his handlers got the prescription mixed up.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1.7    2 weeks ago

That is probably about right.

I wonder how many today are sort of hoping that Biden HAD been on something to improve his performance.

It was a pitiful display.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

The rest of this thread was removed for no value and taunting. Knock it off. Only warning.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4.1.15  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

I can think of at least one good thing

Ever watch that cartoon the wild thornberrys?

Remember the kid brother in the Tarzan outfit?

Least Biden didn't talk like him on stage.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.1.16  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.1.15    2 weeks ago

Or Twitchy the squirrel in Hoodwinked.

 
 
 
George
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5  George    2 weeks ago

So if the democrats replace Biden on the ticket, after he demonstrated last night just how far he has declined mentally. are all those posters who have been saying he is fit for office going to admit they were wrong?  I'm willing to bet they are not and just will deflect to trump.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1  Ronin2  replied to  George @5    2 weeks ago

Who are the Democrats going to replace Joe with?

They pass Kamala over and they might as well kiss the black vote goodbye; and she makes Joe still look good. Hillary is more toxic than Trump; and hated more as she proved in 2016. Gavin Newsome only has his inept handling of CA to run on- besides he is male, white, and straight- the radical left would eat him alive. If they go with Whitless the governor of Michigan- I would volunteer my team to help make videos of all the times she violated her own Covid mandates; her war on a barber during Covid; her incompetence of putting people diagnosed with Covid into retirement homes (nothing like exposing the most vulnerable- but a good way to get them off the SS doll); and she has the multiple dam failures she is directly responsible for in her efforts to protect an invasive species of mussel.

The Democrat bench is bare. The only thing they have left is to imprison Trump at all costs so Biden runs unopposed.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1    2 weeks ago

I think they have to figure out a way to get whitmer on the ballot.  Given their racialist obsessions, it’s going to be next to impossible to pick anyone but Harris, but they have to if they are serious about wining. Another white male is out of the question, so that probably leaves whitmer and hope the woman selection help staunch the racial issues bypassing Harris will cause. 

harris is the only reason Biden probably ran for a second term to begin with.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

Think there is a chance in hell of Biden's handlers allowing him to debate again after that disaster?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    2 weeks ago

Zero chance of that  September debate happening, unless biden is down so far he has nothing to lose.  I think a big part of the reason they held it so early is they could ditch him before the convention or knew they would cancel the second debate and hope the memory fades by election time, 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5.1.4  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Ronin2 @5.1    2 weeks ago

Trump can still run from prison, so even that won't work.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.5  CB  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

It will be a first if he can win from prison (should it happen). Donald loves being first in the history books, nevertheless.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5.1.6  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  CB @5.1.5    2 weeks ago

(going to attempt a joke here)

Well, since I firmly believe being a politician should in no way ever be a viable lifetime career choice, I think they all should be limited to two terms.

One in office

And one for the same length of time they served in office in prison.

Now that's term limits I can get behind.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

I see what you did there ….. nice!

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.8  CB  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

I see your. . . consistent train of thought. . . though, of course, I think its a bit too suspicious for my way of looking at the leaders we choose.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  George @5    2 weeks ago
I'm willing to bet they are not and just will deflect to trump.

So your going to bet that they are going to continue as usual. 

 
 
 
George
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5.3  George  replied to  George @5    2 weeks ago

And a follow up question, if Joe does mysteriously come down with some previous unknown disease that prevents him from continuing, for the good of the country of course. How do the democrats replace Kamala? she is polling lower than he is.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.4  Texan1211  replied to  George @5    2 weeks ago
So if the democrats replace Biden on the ticket, after he demonstrated last night just how far he has declined mentally. are all those posters who have been saying he is fit for office going to admit they were wrong?  I'm willing to bet they are not and just will deflect to trump.

I expect continued denials.

They won't be able to admit it, and as far as deflecting to Trump, the invariable, inevitable, tired old comparisons will continue to abound.

Ever notice how few can actually endorse Biden, but so many can defend him merely by comparing him to Trump--a man they have whined, bitched and moaned about for 7 years, as if being 'better' than Trump is some kind of fucking "achievement"!

Maybe that's Joe's claim to fame.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4    2 weeks ago
I expect continued denials.

They won't be able to admit it, and as far as deflecting to Trump, the invariable, inevitable, tired old comparisons will continue to abound.

Ever notice how few can actually endorse Biden, but so many can defend him merely by comparing him to Trump--a man they have whined, bitched and moaned about for 7 years, as if being 'better' than Trump is some kind of fucking "achievement"!

Maybe that's Joe's claim to fame.

Dont ever say again that you are anti-Trump. It is fucking laughable. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.4.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.1    2 weeks ago
Dont ever say again that you are anti-Trump. It is fucking laughable. 

Sorry, JR your wish will not be granted.

I'll speak the truth whenever I choose, and you can accept it or move on.

Of course, one could always opt to actually READ my posts and then point out any inconsistencies in my posts about who I support. Barring that impossible task, you have nothing to say to me that I need to listen to or further respond to..

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.4.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.2    2 weeks ago

bla bla bla

I will call out your rampant insincerity. 

You say you dont like either , but 99% of your disapproval is aimed at Biden. No one here is as stupid as you apparently think they are. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.4.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.3    2 weeks ago

you have nothing to say to me that I need to listen to or further respond to..

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.4.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.4    2 weeks ago

Why don't you use this opportunity to call for Trump to drop out of the race .

we'll wait

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.4.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.5    2 weeks ago

Why don't you read 5.4.4

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.4.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.3    2 weeks ago
You say you dont like either , but 99% of your disapproval is aimed at Biden.

NT balance, you and several others repeat the many Trump negatives constantly, so reporting Biden’s is simply a question of balance.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.4.8  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.5    2 weeks ago

Why should he? Biden is a corrupt POS and also a traitor. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.4.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Greg Jones @5.4.8    2 weeks ago

Amen to that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.4.10  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @5.4.8    2 weeks ago

Projection

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.4.11  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.2    2 weeks ago

At least you don’t say in one breath you will vote for Joe and in the next breath say that vote isn’t because you support him.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6  Ronin2    2 weeks ago

CNN did no favors by showing Jill (at least I think it was her) rushing out to help Joe down all of 5 very easily traversed steps to go talk to the moderators. 

Joe did himself no favors by having a completely bewildered look on his face for most of the debate with his mouth hanging open. A fly could have entered set up shop, laid it's eggs, and departed w/o ever having it's life in any type of danger. Joe wouldn't have noticed.

Nice attempt by Joe's handlers to stage a waffle house stop in to try and prove Joe still had something left in the tank after the debate ended. It was so badly staged it hurt. They were literally waiting on him to enter. Employees and customers gathered around the entrance with eager expressions. Wonder how many customers and employees had to be kicked out who wouldn't go along with keeping a rapt, empty, expression on their faces? I am sure Joe's handlers wished Joe could have mimicked their expressions during the debate.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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6.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ronin2 @6    2 weeks ago

There must have been ice cream at the waffle joint!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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8  Greg Jones    2 weeks ago

"I support Roe v Wade, which had three trimesters. The first time, is between a woman and a doctor. Second time is between a doctor and an extreme situation. A third time is between the doctor, I mean, between the women and the state."   Joe Biden

t seems like a lot of left-wing pundits are in panic or perhaps defeatist mode after Bidens disastrous performance. I thought the response of "The Young Turks" guy in the article below pretty much summed it up. It's over...Joe and the Dems have lost. We knew this was coming, it's amazing the progressives did not.

The CNN Post-Debate Poll Is Absolutely Brutal for Joe Biden (townhall.com)

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 weeks ago

"When he was President they were still killing people in Afghanistan, he didn't do anything about that.  The truth is, I'm the only President this century that doesn't have any, this decade that doesn't have any troops dying anywhere in the world".

Sorry Joey.  Facts say otherwise.  You are responsible for quite a few hundred deaths.  Military AND civilian just in your disastrous retreat from Afghanistan.

It's not like Traitor Joe would remember.  He was to busy checking his watch like he had more important things to do when the Soldiers and Marines that were killed come home.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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9.1  Ronin2  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9    2 weeks ago

Seems he forgot the troops killed in Jordan as well.

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Three U.S. soldiers were killed yesterday in Jordan, while more than 40 other service members were injured following an uncrewed aerial system attack at a military base near the Syrian border. Those service members were in Jordan to support Operation Inherent Resolve, which is the U.S. and coalition mission to ensure the defeat of ISIS. 

The three soldiers killed are Sgt. William Jerome Rivers of Carrollton, Georgia; Spc. Kennedy Ladon Sanders of Waycross, Georgia; and Spc. Breonna Alexsondria Moffett of Savannah, Georgia. All three were assigned to the 718th Engineer Company, 926th Engineer Battalion, 926th Engineer Brigade, Fort Moore, Georgia.

The attack occurred in the early morning at the logistics support base located at Tower 22 of the Jordanian Defense Network. Approximately 350 U.S. Army and Air Force personnel are deployed to the base. The three soldiers were killed when a one-way uncrewed aerial system impacted their container housing units. 

Still waiting on anyone from the left to try and defend him without using "But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!"

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1    2 weeks ago
Still waiting on anyone from the left to try and defend him without using "But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!"

I think they finally realize that there is no defending Biden after last night.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.1    2 weeks ago
I think they finally realize that there is no defending Biden after last night. 

I think that you will be sorely disappointed waiting for them to stop defending Biden with every breath.

Look here as a small sample size of people ignoring what their own damn eyes saw and ears heard last night.

Besides, most have been in the tank so long for Biden they can't switch horses midstream.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.2    2 weeks ago
I think that you will be sorely disappointed waiting for them to stop defending Biden with every breath.

Oh, I'm not setting myself up for that kind of obvious failure.  I know they won't stop defending him. 

Besides, most have been in the tank so long for Biden they can't switch horses midstream.

And their world is collapsing.  It is a wake up call for them when propaganda bloggers like CNN call out Traitor Joe.  Everything they've called conspiracy theories are all coming true.  They're in panic mode.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
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9.2  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9    2 weeks ago

Yeah, that wasn't the only time during the debate, but my jaw hit the floor for sure on that statement. Candidly, I'd liked to have seen Trump hammer him on that and a few others. I think he missed. He was too focused on the "losers" accusation. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Transyferous Rex @9.2    2 weeks ago

There were quite a few things that he should have pounced on but didn't.  He should have gone further into the issues inflation, border security and unemployment.

 
 
 
Dragon
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10  Dragon    2 weeks ago

This election will be like last two. People voted against Hillary, not for Trump. People voted against Trump not for Biden.

Who will majority of voters vote against in 2024? I will be voting against Trump. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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10.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Dragon @10    2 weeks ago

“I will be voting against Trump.”

As Biden confirmed all the worries of his candidacy last night, so did trump. With a Biden victory, the established checks and balances should ameliorate the potential problems. Under trump, all that goes out the window. 

The ugliest election in our history gets more surreal by the minute, but it is still of the utmost importance to cast a ballot. Mine will never be cast for trump, for as ignored as it is, character still matters. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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10.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @10.1    2 weeks ago

I think some are being a bit melodramatic about President Biden, as you say there are the established checks and balances and we can be assured that he surrounds himself with the best of the best and not a bunch of scumbag criminals and thugs and thieves all pretty much selected from a cess pool by #34.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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10.1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  afrayedknot @10.1    2 weeks ago
With a Biden victory, the established checks and balances should ameliorate the potential problems. Under trump, all that goes out the window. 

The checks and balances are built into the constitution.  How do they go out the window with anyone?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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10.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.1    2 weeks ago
I think some are being a bit melodramatic about President Biden,

People saw what they saw.  Lots of dems are having quite the internal struggle after the face plant from Joe

 
 
 
Snuffy
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10.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.2    2 weeks ago
The checks and balances are built into the constitution.  How do they go out the window with anyone?

They gotta push the fear as they have nothing else to run on.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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10.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.2    2 weeks ago
The checks and balances are built into the constitution.  How do they go out the window with anyone?

Exactly.

Was all that "out the window" when Trump was impeached twice, or when he was indicted, tried, and convicted, or are we all supposed to pretend that none pf that ever happened now?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.3    2 weeks ago

I think Democrats are stuck with Biden come hell or high water.

Short of some medical emergency, he IS the Democratic Party nominee.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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10.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @10.1.4    2 weeks ago

The projection.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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10.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.7    2 weeks ago

The denial

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
10.1.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.6    2 weeks ago

Hard to see how he could bow out while denying the nomination to Harris.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.1.9    2 weeks ago
Hard to see how he could bow out while denying the nomination to Harris.

I don't look for Biden to drop out.

I don't believe his ego will allow for that.

Harris would be an unmitigated disaster, probably even worse than Biden.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
10.1.11  GregTx  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.1.9    2 weeks ago

Not to mention that the 100+ million that his campaign has received could only legally be used by her. Otherwise I suppose they would have to refund those donations...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.12  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.3    2 weeks ago

When you fall I am sure you don't stay 'planted' - don't expect others to do so either. I mean really. . . the level of discussion not taking place stuns the thinking man or woman!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
10.1.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.8    2 weeks ago

Big time!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
10.1.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @10.1.12    2 weeks ago
When you fall I am sure you don't stay 'planted' - don't expect others to do so either.

At a certain point people that fall can no longer get up.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.15  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.14    2 weeks ago

This is not Biden's moment for that, apparently. He was 'up' the very next morning.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
10.1.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @10.1.15    2 weeks ago

It is easier to read off a teleprompter 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.17  CB  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.16    2 weeks ago
It is easier to read off a teleprompter 

Of course it is. Beats index cards, powerpoint projection,  and papers that can blow, absorb moisture, or otherwise 'unsettle' themselves (nearly every time). 

All presidents, leaders, show anchors, and speakers do or would like to read from teleprompters, because it is a stay on point tool. A speaker who wants to hit 'hot points' and keep a stable train of thought in a ruckus environment should use proper tools. 

Mocking the teleprompter for being a service tool for its user is a misplaced attack.

And sure, when we all get mature elderly (75 and over) a teleprompter can come in handy for us when engaging in public speaking. It can aid in overcoming those damn "senior moments."  Those moments are the 'pits.' You know you have something important to say; add; emphasize and damn it's just 'gone.'

Happens everyday to somebody on the planet. Hey! I bet it's happening right this instance somewhere day and night! :)

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2  Tessylo  replied to  Dragon @10    2 weeks ago

I voted for Hillary - I don't understand how so many dislike and even hate her (not saying that's the case with you Dragon) but I sure as hell wasn't voting for #34.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @10.2    2 weeks ago

Also, I voted for Biden and I will again if that's my choice.  I think I would no matter what - there was no way in hell #34 was going to get my vote before or after he became a convicted felon.

 
 
 
Dragon
Freshman Silent
10.2.3  Dragon  replied to  Tessylo @10.2    2 weeks ago

I voted for Hillary. I could never vote for Trump...never!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Dragon @10.2.3    2 weeks ago

Of course not.  I voted for Hillary as well.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
10.2.5  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @10.2.1    2 weeks ago
there was no way in hell #34 was going to get my vote

That's the third time I've seen the rant about Ike. I have to thank you for sharing your political acuity - I had no idea he was that bad.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
10.2.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @10.2.1    2 weeks ago

There was no way he was going to get your vote before the conviction.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @10.2.5    2 weeks ago

It's stupid to pretend you don't know I'm referring to convicted felon former 'president' who was convicted of 34 felonies.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
10.2.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @10.2.7    2 weeks ago
It's stupid to pretend you don't know I'm referring to convicted felon former 'president' who was convicted of 34 felonies.

Damn, I thought you were talking about Joes 34 IQ.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
10.2.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.2.8    2 weeks ago

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JBB
Professor Principal
10.2.10  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @10.2.1    2 weeks ago

I have told this before, but in the late 80s and early 90s I lived in Little Rock. My firm did quite a lot of business with The Rose Law Firm. Though I never worked directly with Mrs Clinton, I met her there several times and heard a lot about her. Besides that, I was a young man about town and so I knew what was going on. Hillary is a boring workaholic nerd and a Methodist church woman. She is the kind of woman who dotes on her close circle. The type who remembers birthdays and always sends wedding and baby gifts. The reason nobody ever nailed her no matter how hard they tried is because she is a brilliant lawyer and never broke any laws. In real life she really is nice and boring. She would've been a very good President. Way better than Trump!

Bill? He is a true scoundrel through and through, when it comes to women. He loves them all. Bill would flirt with the women in nursing homes or colleges. President Clinton is also a brilliant lawyer and smart enough to stay with Hillary.

America would be way better off if Billary were finishing their 4th term this year...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.2.11  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @10.2.10    2 weeks ago

Opinions do vary.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @10.2.10    2 weeks ago

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Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
10.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Dragon @10    2 weeks ago

I'll be voting against both as neither one is fit in my opinion.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.3    2 weeks ago

I'll give you some company there!

 
 
 
goose is back
Sophomore Guide
11  goose is back    2 weeks ago
I will be voting against Trump. 

Why..........because Trump is a dick or you think Biden is doing a good job?

 
 
 
Dragon
Freshman Silent
11.1  Dragon  replied to  goose is back @11    2 weeks ago

I could use many adjectives, all bad, to describe Trump, suffice to say I would never vote for a person as unethical, with "morals like an alley cat", as Trump.

Trump's previous administration/staff was awful, a second one would be as bad, or worse. Trump's second term would be focused on revenge and retribution. 

Biden is doing an OK job; I doubt any president could to a "good" job today. My opinion is Biden has a good administration/staff around him which accounts for alot. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Dragon @11.1    2 weeks ago

Agreed on all points.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
12  Nerm_L    2 weeks ago

Since Donald Trump left office in January, 2021, (three and half short years ago) Trump has been impeached, investigated by a special counsel, investigated by a special House committee (for prime time viewers), raided the by FBI, indicted by anyone with a political ax to grind, and convicted of 34 misdemeanors magically transformed into felonies.  

And Donald Trump still beats Joe Biden in polling and public opinion.  Why is that?  What's it going to take for Democrats to realize that Donald Trump ain't Democrats' biggest problem?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @12    2 weeks ago
And Donald Trump still beats Joe Biden in polling and public opinion.  Why is that? 

Because there was no fact checking during the debate. 

The public could not compare Biden's soft spoken old man voice to Trump's blatant over the top lies.  While they could see and hear Biden, they were not made aware of just how prevalent Trump's lies were.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
12.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1    2 weeks ago
Because there was no fact checking during the debate.  The public could not compare Biden's soft spoken old man voice to Trump's blatant over the top lies.  While they could see and hear Biden, they were not made aware of just how prevalent Trump's lies were.

The fact checking would have been a rerun.  Trump didn't say anything new; every one of Trump's 'lies' have already been fact checked.  Are we really supposed to believe this time would be different?  

It was Biden's task to keep attention focused on Trump.  That's been the strategy for Biden's reelection since he was inaugurated.  Democrats have expended a lot of time, money, and effort to make the 2024 election a referendum on Trump.  Biden was not up to the job.  It's not Trump's fault that Joe Biden's ego got in the way.  Biden was trying to sing his own praises and defend his policies and actions as President instead of focusing attention on Trump.  Joe Biden allowed attention to shift onto Biden's time in office.  And Biden's defense of himself began sounding just like Trump.  

So, now will the 2024 election be a referendum on Trump or a referendum on Biden?  Trump's strategy obviously was to focus attention on Biden's Presidency.  And the reaction by the media suggest that Trump was successful.  The conventional wisdom in unconventional times is still that elections are referendums on the incumbent and Biden certainly didn't do anything to change that.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @12.1.1    2 weeks ago
The fact checking would have been a rerun.  Trump didn't say anything new

Correct, same old lies over and over.

It was Biden's task to keep attention focused on Trump.

It was a debate, not a pageant it was supposed to be an argument with facts, unfortunately MAGA cannot recognize facts and just judge by appearances.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
12.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.2    2 weeks ago
unfortunately MAGA cannot recognize facts and just judge by appearances.  

It wasn’t MAGA calling in with their hair on fire Thur night.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
12.1.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.2    2 weeks ago
Correct, same old lies over and over.

Who, besides Joe Biden, was surprised?

It was a debate, not a pageant it was supposed to be an argument with facts, unfortunately MAGA cannot recognize facts and just judge by appearances.  

Joe Biden wanted the debate and challenged Trump.  Joe Biden got the stage he wanted, the rules he wanted, the moderators he wanted.  The entire show was staged for Joe Biden's benefit.  

All Biden had to do was present the facts to make his own base happy.  But apparently that was not Biden's strategy.  So, what happened?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1    2 weeks ago
Because there was no fact checking during the debate. 

Do you think fact checking Trump would have improved Biden's performance?

Seriously?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1    2 weeks ago

Biden sez he’s a 6 handicap.

Fact check that.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.6    2 weeks ago
Biden sez he’s a 6 handicap.

Prove he is not.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.7    2 weeks ago

Don’t need to.    Only a useful idiot would believe that lie.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
12.1.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.7    2 weeks ago

Biden’s handicap is listed on the US Golf Association’s website as 6.7, with the last update in July 2018.

Trump’s handicap is listed as 2.5, with the last updated in June 2021 is listed as 2.5. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @12.1.9    2 weeks ago

That’s probably an index.  

Still, not a six then and definitely not a six, 6 years later.

Confidence level?    Very high.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.10    2 weeks ago
Still, not a six then and definitely not a six, 6 years later.

It is a 6 then.  He just didn't round up like you hoped he would.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
12.1.12  George  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.10    2 weeks ago

256

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.11    2 weeks ago

Not a golfer eh?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.14  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.13    2 weeks ago
Not a golfer eh?

Did he say his handicap was 6.0?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.15  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.14    2 weeks ago

You didn’t answer my question

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.16  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.15    2 weeks ago
You didn’t answer my question

Yes I have played, no I am not an avid golfer.  Prefer other sports.

Now your turn.  Did Biden state that his handicap was 6.0?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.17  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.16    2 weeks ago

Yeah, he said he was a six.    

I suppose he could’ve been talking about his IQ.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
12.1.18  George  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.17    2 weeks ago
I suppose he could’ve been talking about his IQ.

More like functioning age level, Ice cream and showers with sissy.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.19  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.17    2 weeks ago
Yeah, he said he was a six.

"A" 6?  Does 6.1 qualify as "A" 6?  6.2, 6.3, 6.4, etc.?  They all qualify as "A" 6. 

So it sounds like you are just desperately trying to find something to complain about.  But at least he doesn't invent tournaments for no other reason than to give himself fake golf trophies.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
12.1.20  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.19    2 weeks ago

As it sounds like you are desperately trying to argue to argue.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.21  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.19    2 weeks ago

You’d have to ask Biden what he meant.    

It’s pretty clear to me, based on the context of the conversation, that he was trying to pass himself off as a 6 handicap

Which is ridiculous.    The guy can hardly walk.   But hey, that’s just my opinion.    I could be wrong.

And a handicap is derived from USGA index.   A 6 handicap could be derive from an index of 5.5 to 6.4.   A 6.5 index would be rounded up to a 7.    

Glad I could help with your golf scoring knowledge though.    Knowledge is power.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1.22  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.21    2 weeks ago

He obviously was talking about the last time his handicap was calculated. MAGA's tend to get easily confused though. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @12.1.20    2 weeks ago

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George
Junior Expert
12.1.24  George  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @12.1.20    2 weeks ago

Come on man! everyone knows your golf game gets better the longer you go without playing. Biden is probably playing from the women's tees at mini-golf. so a 6 handicap may actually be possible.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.25  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.22    2 weeks ago

lol …. Last time I had a USGA index was years ago and I was a 14.4.    Claiming I’m a 14 today would be a lie.   I’m closer to a 19 now.

The TDS ridden can be in such denial

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.26  Sparty On  replied to  George @12.1.24    2 weeks ago

Plus he’s probably using a Bubba index.    Breakfast ball on the first tee, a half a dozen or so mulligans and creative scoring.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.27  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @12.1.20    2 weeks ago
As it sounds like you are desperately trying to argue to argue.

Tell it to Sparty, he's the one that brought it up.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.28  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.21    2 weeks ago
You’d have to ask Biden what he meant.

You quoted him, and now you're saying you don't know what he meant????  Little dishonest of you isn't it?

It’s pretty clear to me, based on the context of the conversation, that he was trying to pass himself off as a 6 handicap

And as it has been shown here, he is a 6 handicap.  6.7 to be exact.

Which is ridiculous.    The guy can hardly walk.   But hey, that’s just my opinion.    I could be wrong.

History says you probably are.

And a handicap is derived from USGA index.

Now all you have to do is prove Biden was "properly" quoting the USGA index, or just rounding off the decimal to make himself sound a little better than he actually is.  You know like awarding yourself with fake golf trophies so people think you're better than you are, but not that extreme.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
12.1.29  George  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.28    2 weeks ago
he is a 6 handicap.  6.7 to be exact.

He is not a 6.7 handicap, he may have been 6 years ago now he is just a feeble old man lying about his performance. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.27    2 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1.31  JohnRussell  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.28    2 weeks ago

​'Rigged': Trump ridiculed after claiming to win two golf trophies at his own club

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Donald   Trump   on Sunday was met with sharp criticism on social media, not for being found liable for business fraud or sexual assault, but because of a brag about his golf trophies.

Trump, who earlier in the day   raged   against Fox News for its coverage of his civil fraud case, took to Truth Social to celebrate a purported golf victory.

"It is my great honor to be at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach tonight, AWARDS NIGHT, to receive THE CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY & THE SENIOR CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY. I WON BOTH!" Trump   claimed .

ALSO READ:   11 ways Trump doesn't become president

He continued:

"A large and golfing talented membership, a GREAT and difficult course, made the play very exciting. The qualifying and match play was amazing. A large and distinguished group will be there tonight. Very exciting, thank you!!!"

Columnist Molly Jong-Fast, @MollyJongFast, asked, "Do they just let him win everything lest he accuses the club of 'rigging?'"

Journalist   Aaron Rupar   wrote, "get a load of this effin’ guy."

A popular account by the name of Marlene Robertson, @marlene4719, said this:

"So Trump is off to his golf club to accept two golf awards. And can you f------ believe he won both awards! He wouldn’t 'rig it' would he?"

An account known as The Gardener, @hmcadena, chimed in as a means to debunk Trump's claims.

"I’m a golfer and belong to a private golf course. 77 year old men don’t win The Club Senior Championship, much less win the Club Championship," he said Sunday. "Of course the only people that believe trump (sic) won these tournaments are the same fools that believe his lies about winning in 2020."

Former federal and state prosecutor Ron Filipkowski also weighed in on Trump's post about golf.

"Speaking of things that are rigged," he said on Sunday.

​'Rigged': Trump ridiculed after claiming to win two golf trophies at his own club - Raw Story

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
12.1.32  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.27    2 weeks ago

Yet you are the one that keeps it going into ridiculous territory

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.33  Ozzwald  replied to  George @12.1.29    2 weeks ago
He is not a 6.7 handicap, he may have been 6 years ago now he is just a feeble old man lying about his performance. 

Now all you have to do is provide proof for your claim.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.34  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.28    2 weeks ago
You quoted him, and now you're saying you don't know what he meant????  Little dishonest of you isn't it?

Not at all but saying so is.

It’s pretty clear to me, based on the context of the conversation, that he was trying to pass himself off as a 6 handicap
And as it has been shown here, he is a 6 handicap.  6.7 to be exact.

Wrong, wrong and wrong again.    Amazing!

Which is ridiculous.    The guy can hardly walk.   But hey, that’s just my opinion.    I could be wrong.
History says you probably are.

Left wing revisionist history.    Nothing more.

And a handicap is derived from USGA index.
Now all you have to do is prove Biden was "properly" quoting the USGA index, or just rounding off the decimal to make himself sound a little better than he actually is.  You know like awarding yourself with fake golf trophies so people think you're better than you are, but not that extreme.

Trolling, trolling, trolling ….. keep them comments trolling!   

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.35  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.31    2 weeks ago

But, but, but Trump!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.36  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.34    2 weeks ago

Hmmm, so you have no actual facts to back up your claims.  Since if you had them, you would have used them.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.37  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.36    2 weeks ago

Yep, only going by good old fashioned listening to what people say and understanding it.[]

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
12.1.38  George  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.37    2 weeks ago

It's border line insane to believe that Joe Biden is a 6 handicap, grandpa has to walk up the back stairs of Airforce 1 because he can't get up the big boy stairs anymore. His six handicap means he is only 4 shots off one of the rounds that Tiger shot at the masters this year. it's simply amazing that anyone would defend it. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
12.1.39  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1    2 weeks ago
Trump's blatant over the top lies.

In the real world it is called hyperbole, something that a real estate salesman (or most salespeople) will often use.  Joes lies on the other hand can and does cause damage.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.40  Sparty On  replied to  George @12.1.38    2 weeks ago

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Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
12.1.41  Ozzwald  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.37    2 weeks ago
Yep, only going by good old fashioned listening to what people say and understanding it.

Yah, you really need to stop listening to the trolls on Truth Social.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.42  Sparty On  replied to  Ozzwald @12.1.41    2 weeks ago

No worries.[]

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.2  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @12    2 weeks ago
Since Donald Trump left office in January, 2021, (three and half short years ago) Trump has been impeached, investigated by a special counsel, investigated by a special House committee (for prime time viewers), raided the by FBI, indicted by anyone with a political ax to grind, and convicted of 34 misdemeanors magically transformed into felonies.

Because he had the temerity to beat the chosen one.    A fact the election denier deniers here would prefer you forget.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @12.2    2 weeks ago
Since Donald Trump left office in January, 2021, (three and half short years ago) Trump has been impeached, investigated by a special counsel, investigated by a special House committee (for prime time viewers), raided the by FBI, indicted

thats what usually happens to narcissistic criminal scumbag traitors. 

have you called for trump to drop out yet ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @12.2.1    2 weeks ago
have you called for trump to drop out yet ?

Have YOU called for Biden to drop out yet?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @12.2.1    2 weeks ago
thats what usually happens to narcissistic criminal scumbag traitors. 

Your friends on the left would not like you talking about Biden that way.

have you called for trump to drop out yet ?

Nope, that’s your job.    Anecdotally, I haven’t called for Biden to drop out either but liberals like you sure are.    Big time.    

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
12.2.4  George  replied to  Sparty On @12.2.3    2 weeks ago
I haven’t called for Biden to drop out either but liberals like you sure are.    Big time.  

My question would be why? if Biden is their nominee and they are arguing adnauseum that he is fit to serve, why are they saying he should drop out? Are they lying to themselves and the American people about how fit he is to serve? Or is the TDS so strong they just can't see past trump?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  George @12.2.4    2 weeks ago

All part of the master plan.    The debate was just the most recent move.    Time to inject who they really want.    My money is on the 2016 chosen one.    Next after that maybe someone like M Obama or G Whitless

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
12.2.6  afrayedknot  replied to  Sparty On @12.2.5    2 weeks ago

“…G Whitless…”

Must be the front runner as the ‘useful idiots’ have already come up with yet another sophomoric moniker. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @12.2.6    2 weeks ago

Do you honestly believe Whitmer is the frontrunner?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.2.8  Sparty On  replied to  afrayedknot @12.2.6    2 weeks ago

That very rich coming from the left.   The kings of name calling …

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @12.2.1    2 weeks ago

All because of the crimes he committed.

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CB
Professor Principal
12.2.10  CB  replied to  Sparty On @12.2.5    2 weeks ago

Concentrate on why whomsoever your group is prefers a convicted criminal and subjugates other conservatives beneath him. BTW, before 2016 the GOP chosen one was a 'nobody' politically. Yet, whomsoever your group is literally denigrates, intimidates (probably even calls the 'new' determined RINOs up with threats of varying kinds) all for the sake of Donald "the mover and the shaker."  When the pendulum swings back the other way. . . it is going to cold-cock whomsoever your group is and it will be well-deserved for the arrogance of trying to subjugate a nation freeing itself from the last vestiges of 'Archie Bunkerism."

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
12.2.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @12.2.2    2 weeks ago

I wish both would drop out and let the really qualified have their shot.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.3  CB  replied to  Nerm_L @12    2 weeks ago

Donald is democracy's biggest problem and whether whomsoever this group is you are member to believes it or not; Donald is working his butt off to not even be controlled by YOU! Donald appears to be some unbridled force rampaging through the political system (because he knows what is best for him/it) and it is evident that anybody/group that gets in his way . . . he will steamroll over and flatten. Whomsoever your group is seems to enjoy the poisoning that is doing its best to happen to others. . . but when Donald gets the highest court to AFFIRM his immunity (in many aspects or totality) he will ultimately take on all 'comers' who don't like his brand of leadership. 

At some point the so-called, "devil you know" will look much better to you than the newly-minted MEGATRON thrashing through and downing your ideology.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
12.3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  CB @12.3    2 weeks ago
Donald is democracy's biggest problem and whether whomsoever this group is you are member to believes it or not

Maybe.  Maybe not.  But Donald Trump is not Democrats' biggest problem.

At some point the so-called, "devil you know" will look much better to you than the newly-minted MEGATRON thrashing through and downing your ideology.

When Trump was President, the world was pretty much at peace.  The war in Afghanistan was winding down.  North Korea wasn't testing missiles every other week.  China wasn't flying surveillance balloons over the continental United States.  Putin wasn't itching to invade Ukraine.  Israel was establishing diplomatic relations with Arab countries that became the Abraham accords.  European NATO countries really did begin contributing more to their own defense.  Trump wasn't groveling to a Saudi Prince to increase oil production and lower the price of oil.  

Since Joe Biden was inaugurated, three and half short years ago, the world has spun into chaos and conflict.  The fall of Kabul was reminiscent of the fall of Saigon in 1975.  There are wars in eastern Europe, wars in the Middle East.  Iran is threatening the United States.  North Korea is threatening the United States.  China has become more aggressive.  We're spending more money to defend Europe and NATO again.  

The "devil we know" already looks a lot better.  Like it or not, Trump's time as President was a brief period of peace and prosperity.  Biden's record as President simply doesn't compare favorably with Trump's record.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.3.2  CB  replied to  Nerm_L @12.3.1    2 weeks ago
But Donald Trump is not Democrats' biggest problem.

But, whomsoever your group is can't fix democrat's biggest problem (Biden's age is not it) for them. It's not a whomsoever your group is concern. Just saying.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.3.3  CB  replied to  Nerm_L @12.3.1    2 weeks ago
Trump was President, the world was pretty much at peace.  The war in Afghanistan was winding down.  North Korea wasn't testing missiles every other week.  China wasn't flying surveillance balloons over the continental United States.  Putin wasn't itching to invade Ukraine.  Israel was establishing diplomatic relations with Arab countries that became the Abraham accords.  European NATO countries really did begin contributing more to their own defense.  Trump wasn't groveling to a Saudi Prince to increase oil production and lower the price of oil. 

Come on. . . whomsoever your group is can't take credit for SILENCE. . . it comes and goes. . . as much as the noisy passages of cars on a freeway. . . may break into a bloc of quiet that is astonishing to people who live behind communal sound walls. Also, our munitions did not that are ready when needed (now) were the same ones ready when Donald was in office. . . signifying it was only a matter of time. Luckily, Donald can declare himself the "peace-time' president only because others sought to OUTLAST the 'chaos' president (his own country detested for his manic personality) for a seasoned politician who, at least, understood the mechanics of true diplomacy (and the games politicians play with each other). 

But, chaos can only get one opportunity to materialize and manifest itself, before human ingenuity overtakes it and proceeds to its goals and conclusions. . . that is, by the next time Donald may serve (forbid!). . . dastardly villains will have a plan for the so-called, newly-minted 'tyrant' who has yet to whip his countryfolks into the texture and contours of their own well-experienced, seasoned, and distilled programs.

Beside, Donald will be sued at every turn. . . protested at every turn, or yes, . . . worse . . .because the days of U.S. 'master-servant' relationship are OVER! 

Yeah, I can hear the wheels of whomsoever your group is minds whirling. . .y'all are making friends of the 'right' types in high places across the globe as support networks to suppress and hold your detractors at bay, down, and out. . . but, networks WORK and are built in varying opposing ways too—by nature.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.3.4  CB  replied to  Nerm_L @12.3.1    2 weeks ago
Trump's record

You have not seen his record's full impact: In the WWE it's calling: The Swerve.  Look it up and then sit/stand/lay -back and wait on it. It will come.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
12.3.5  Nerm_L  replied to  CB @12.3.3    2 weeks ago
Beside, Donald will be sued at every turn. . . protested at every turn, or yes, . . . worse . . .because the days of U.S. 'master-servant' relationship are OVER! 

That's only because Democrats cannot tolerate democracy.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.3.6  CB  replied to  Nerm_L @12.3.5    2 weeks ago

That is your concept of the truth or worse. Just something for you to consider: Donald is responsible for the removal of thousands/millions(?) of conservatives who were thrown, abandoned, or walked away from their party and they did not see the 'axe' until it dangled over their political heads! That is the nature of the individual whomsoever your party is supporting.  When he came for them. . . you did not support them. . . who will support "YOU' when he comes looking for the loyalty test you are unwilling to 'sign'? (Rhetorical.) 

When you tell him to ease up and he orders "you': "Begone!" It will come full-circle.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.3.7  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @12.3.5    2 weeks ago

Or people who beat their chosen one

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
12.3.8  Nerm_L  replied to  CB @12.3.6    2 weeks ago
Donald is responsible for the removal of thousands/millions(?) of conservatives who were thrown, abandoned, or walked away from their party and they did not see the 'axe' until it dangled over their political heads! That is the nature of the individual whomsoever your party is supporting.

Neoliberals are not conservatives.  For neoliberals it's all about the money.  Even social liberals expect Democrats to put public money where their mouths are.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.3.9  CB  replied to  Nerm_L @12.3.8    2 weeks ago

Donald Trump Admits He's Not a Conservative

3/11/2024

Former President  Donald Trump  admitted on Monday that he is not a conservative, saying instead that he's a "man of common sense."

"People say, 'you're conservative,' I'm not conservative, you know what I am, I'm a man of common sense and a lot of conservative policies are common sense,"  Trump said while appearing on CNBC's  Squawk Box.

. . . .

Last month, Trump delivered a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) and called himself a "proud political dissident ."

When whomsoever your group is stops making commonsense to Donald (potentially after he is 'kinged') y'all will be vanquished from the 'Group' too!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13  Texan1211    2 weeks ago

it definitely appears as if the respondents to the poll actually watched the debate.

And are honest with themselves.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
14  Gsquared    2 weeks ago

Trump won a personal best for the how many lies can I pack into 90 minutes contest.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
14.1  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @14    2 weeks ago

Well, that is offset by Biden winning the contest for who could look and sound the least coherent.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
14.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @14.1    2 weeks ago

I don’t know.    Biden won the whopper of the night by claiming he’s a 6 handicap.    If he’s a six I’m the king of England ….

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
14.2  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @14    2 weeks ago

Just did what it did at it's 'rallies' - lied for 90 minutes and projected

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
14.3  CB  replied to  Gsquared @14    2 weeks ago

Donald is an amazingly SPECTACULAR liar isn't he? I mean. . .smooth. . .expert even. . .you won't even notice you're being lied to. . . unless you know the shady character behind the voice. Donald can lie without giving much of any nuance of the deceit away.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
14.3.1  Gsquared  replied to  CB @14.3    2 weeks ago
Donald is an amazingly SPECTACULAR liar isn't he?

Yeah, really admirable.

 
 
 
The Chad
Freshman Silent
15  The Chad    2 weeks ago

I was relieved to find out that we beat Medicare, and saddened to hear that women are getting raped by their sisters and in laws.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.1  Texan1211  replied to  The Chad @15    2 weeks ago
I was relieved to find out that we beat Medicare, and saddened to hear that women are getting raped by their sisters and in laws.

Demonstrated a real handle on the issue, didn't he?

If that doesn't instill confidence in Biden's mental faculties, what on earth possibly could?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
15.2  Tessylo  replied to  The Chad @15    2 weeks ago

What????????????????????????????

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
15.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @15.2    2 weeks ago

Exactly.  Ask Joe what he was thinking when he said it

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.3  Texan1211  replied to  The Chad @15    2 weeks ago
I was relieved to find out that we beat Medicare, and saddened to hear that women are getting raped by their sisters and in laws.

What is truly sad is that folks are so willing to overlook a bizarre statement like that from Biden.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @15.3    2 weeks ago

“if you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black”

- Joe Biden

More liberal radio silence

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
15.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @15.3.1    2 weeks ago

Yeah, some folks are always trying to give Biden a pass.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
15.3.3  CB  replied to  Sparty On @15.3.1    2 weeks ago

The remark was over the top. That and its equals are all that needs to be stated about it. Similar to the (1) debate done poorly. . . you don't throw out your only and best performing tool, because it has a single rust spot pop up on it. It would be a waste.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
15.3.4  GregTx  replied to  CB @15.3.3    2 weeks ago

Is Only the operative word?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.3.5  Sparty On  replied to  GregTx @15.3.4    2 weeks ago

Not even close but when in denial, it may appear that way

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
15.3.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.2    2 weeks ago

Yep, and even then Biden will fumble it!

 
 

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