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OK Supreme Court Strikes Down State Funding for Religious Schools

  

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By:  kavika  •  3 weeks ago  •  187 comments

OK Supreme Court Strikes Down State Funding for Religious Schools

Radical right-wing Oklahoma Superintendent of Schools Ryan Walters has openly stated that he intends to challenge the concept that there is a "separation of church and state" mandated by the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. 

Walters did that by having Oklahoma become the first state to allocate state tax dollars for a private religious school, and he received the backing of the state's Governor Kevin Stitt. The state's Attorney General told him it was unconstitutional. Now that state's Supreme Court has ruled against Walters today and agreed with the AG.


Oklahoma AG Gentner Drummond argued to the court that St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual School is "Catholic in every way. Catholic in teaching and Catholic in employment." He argued that using tax dollars to fund the school "is about the state creation of a religious school, which unequivocally establishes religion." The school was expected to receive over $2.5 million dollars in taxpayer funds, which would come directly out of the funding allocated for the public school system.

The state Supreme Court held that the funding violated the Constitution because the school "will evangelize the Catholic school curriculum while being funded by the state."

It seems likely, however, that Walters will attempt to take this case to the US Supreme Court. If the new Trump-created conservative majority takes his case and rules in his favor, it was upend over five decades of precedent and radically transform not just the school system in America but will set off christian nationalism battles all over the country as Republicans attempt to force christianity in the public square, just as Dobbs did for abortion. 

That seems to be exactly what Walters wants.





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Kavika
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1  author  Kavika     3 weeks ago

Ryan Walters got thumped by the OK Supreme Court.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @1    3 weeks ago

Good.  People's taxes shouldn't pay for private schools.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.1  author  Kavika   replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 weeks ago
People's taxes shouldn't pay for private schools.

Especially religious schools and as OK Supreme Court stated it violates the constitution.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    3 weeks ago

Right, they need to keep wasting it on the sadly performing public schools,

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.3  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

This can be your MAGA slogan, "Defund Out Public Schools!"

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

Just like comrade weingarten likes it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

So you have no problem with your taxes paying for someone else's private and expensive education?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

and/or religious education?  On your dime?  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

So you have no problem with people signing for a loan and Biden using your taxpayer dollars to forgive their loan?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

and/or basket weaving classes on your dime?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

but, but, but what about...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  devangelical @1.1.9    2 weeks ago

Exactly, glad you agree

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.11  devangelical  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.10    2 weeks ago

I don't agree. thumpers can go stuff their dominionist bullshit somewhere off public property...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.7    3 days ago

So you have no problem with people signing for a loan and Biden using your taxpayer dollars to forgive their loan?

Didn't hear anyone crying when all those COVID business loans got forgiven.

How the Paycheck Protection Program went from good intentions to a huge free-for-all

PPP loan forgiveness

Or are you only opposed to loan forgiveness when it is for people that actually need the money instead of wealthy businesses?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.13  devangelical  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.12    2 days ago

covid financial programs were a huge scam that was a windfall for connected republicans.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.14  Ozzwald  replied to  devangelical @1.1.13    2 days ago
covid financial programs were a huge scam that was a windfall for connected republicans.

The intent was good, the actual process was very poorly thought out.

You know that Trump also filed for the PP loans and also was forgiven payback?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.15  devangelical  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.14    2 days ago

his entire family got a ride on that gravy train...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @1.1.15    2 days ago

The Biden family has been sucking off the government teet for over 50 years.    Hunter has never worked a honest day in his life and you’re bagging on Trumps kids.

Hilarious!

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.17  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.16    2 days ago
bagging on Trumps kids
  • coke addict
  • moron
  • surgically enhanced bimbo
  • brainless bimbo
  • frat boy freakshow
 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1.17    8 hours ago

Love it.  Very apt of the demon spawn.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Kavika @1    3 days ago

Ryan Walters got thumped by the OK Supreme Court.

So this is how a Supreme Court is supposed to work.  Who 'da thunk...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    2 days ago

those judges must be close to retirement ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2  Trout Giggles    3 weeks ago

Good! I just hope that SCOTUS upholds the state's ruling

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    2 weeks ago

I wouldn't count on that after today.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    yesterday
Good! I just hope that SCOTUS upholds the state's ruling

They'll have to check their christian nationalist playbook first, see what right wing Jeeezus says about it.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    yesterday

... and no more of that render unto caesar bullshit, geezus is lord and trump is their savior...

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3  Gsquared    3 weeks ago

This is the right result, but will SCOTUS continue down the rabbit hole of breaching the historic wall of separation between church and state?  We can only hope not.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @3    3 weeks ago

too many mackerel snappers and thumpers on that bench...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3.1    3 weeks ago
too many mackerel snappers and thumpers on that bench..

And which ones would they be?

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

probably the ones with trump's genitals in their mouths... you know, the federalists...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
probably the ones with trump's genitals in their mouths... you know, the federalists..

No, I don't know which is why I'm asking you, since you made a statement. I thought that statement might have been based in reality but acknowledge my mistake for believing that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @3.1    3 weeks ago

all this ignorance makes me think of rich bitch devos and her dream to abolish public education

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

or defund like jbb said

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

care to restate your position in light of current events?

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.8  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @3.1.7    3 days ago

yeah, I didn't think so ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    yesterday

the xtian nationalist heritage foundation...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @3.1.9    13 hours ago

Ooooh Baba Yaga ….. scary.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.11  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @3.1.10    8 hours ago

the lowest hanging fruit...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @3.1.11    4 hours ago

Yep, lots of those here on the left

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Gsquared @3    3 weeks ago

I and others here have been warning of the Dominionism movement for many years here.  Of course the right kept calling it our boogie man, but it was clear from the beginning that it was real and steadily gaining momentum.  Now it’s bold enough to just flat out say that it is challenging the one thing that has kept it at bay - separation of church and state.  The rwnj’s here should admit that either they were wrong or that they were just lying their asses off about the growth of Dominionism.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.2    3 weeks ago
I and others here have been warning of the Dominionism movement for many years here.

Amazingly, America discounted the warnings on NT.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.2.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.1    3 weeks ago

Who said anything about America?  Why does your snark always cross over into total irrelevance?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.2.2    3 weeks ago
Who said anything about America?

Well, who are you warning here then?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.2.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.3    3 weeks ago

Are you sober?  We have been warning the dumbass NT rwnj’s HERE that their heros are traveling in a Trojan horse.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.2.4    3 weeks ago

funny how those most motivated to display the 10 commandments are the least likely to follow them...

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.2.6  Gsquared  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.2    3 weeks ago
I and others here have been warning of the Dominionism movement for many years here.

I'm one of those others!

Now it’s bold enough to just flat out say that it is challenging the one thing that has kept it at bay - separation of church and state. 

There has been a steady drum beat from the theocratic dominionists claiming that there is no such thing as the separation of church and state.  They couldn't be more wrong.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.2.2    3 weeks ago
Who said anything about America?

If not America, who were you attempting to warn?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.2.8  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.7    3 weeks ago
If not America, who were you attempting to warn?

North America, not so much South

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.2.4    3 weeks ago

Are you high?

look, if you want to think that you weren't talking about warning Americans (who surprisingly LIVE in America) about this dire threat (!) and want to pretend you were referring to some other place, it's cool.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.7    3 weeks ago
If not America, who were you attempting to warn?

It's a real mystery!

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.2.11  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.9    3 weeks ago
Are you high?

affirmative! 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.2.11    3 weeks ago
affirmative!

Not shocking..

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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3.2.13  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.12    3 weeks ago
Not shocking..

are you positive ? or neutral about the negatives you flick out and about, like plugged into an i socket saw through dim wit, cause my circuit you cannot break, my fuse light, cause it just amps me up and readies me for any fight, cause like Jane Says, Nothings Shocking !

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  Igknorantzruls @3.2.13    3 weeks ago
are you positive ?

Yes, positive this is all I choose to decipher.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.2.15  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.9    3 weeks ago

Are you high?

look, if you want to think that you weren't talking about warning Americans

jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif   I beg you, please, tell me you don’t think that NT is the place to go to change America.  You have to be more aware of reality than that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.2.15    3 weeks ago
I beg you, please, tell me you don’t think that NT is the place to go to change America

Of course it isn't!

Heck, I can't even get folks here to see that both candidates are shitty and unworthy of voting for!

Changing America with this small sample size would be impossible, especially with the mindset prevalent here.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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3.2.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3.2    8 hours ago

Parts of this thread were removed for veiled insults. Knock it off. Only warning.

 
 
 
evilone
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4  evilone    3 weeks ago

The OG religionists haven't excepted they are losing their grip of white male dominance. This is not 1950 anymore and there are far too many people that don't except their hypocritical bullshit.

 
 
 
George
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4.1  George  replied to  evilone @4    3 weeks ago
white male dominance.

The race card, i wonder how long it would be before someone pulled it.

 
 
 
evilone
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4.1.1  evilone  replied to  George @4.1    3 weeks ago
The race card

So instead of trying to insult me, why don't you respond with a cogent point?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @4.1.1    3 weeks ago
So instead of trying to insult me, why don't you respond with a cogent point?

I don't consider pointing out someone playing the race card to be at all insulting, and I certainly got his cogent point.

 
 
 
evilone
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4.1.3  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    3 weeks ago
I don't consider pointing out someone playing the race card to be at all insulting, and I certainly got his cogent point.

Sure... and you both either miss the point of my post, or more likely want to distract from it. I'm done playing your games today Texan. Either respond to my original post of go away.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @4.1.3    3 weeks ago

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Krishna
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4.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    2 weeks ago
I don't consider pointing out someone playing the race card to be at all insulting,

Playing the race card, eh?

Aha! Caught in the act!

256

Or as Buzz might say (when he's actually being one and not merely playing one on TV) :

in flagrante delicto! 

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.2  cjcold  replied to  evilone @4    3 weeks ago

This white male is a non-fascist woke white male.

Tired of being trashed for my sex and race. It's how I was born.

 
 
 
George
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4.2.1  George  replied to  cjcold @4.2    3 weeks ago

To racists the fact that you are white makes you an evil suppressor. Doesn't matter that you have never done that, or that you are a truly good human being. Just like to a white supremist all people of color are inferior. it's intellectually lazy but that's where we are.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  cjcold @4.2    3 weeks ago

You are the Moby Dick to many because of your skin and gender.

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.3  CB  replied to  George @4.2.1    3 weeks ago

That is an outright . . . untruth. In fact, you may not can see it but Cjcold is a longtime stated friend of mine on NT. I take strong exception to you trying to split him off into a camp that he does not belong in either through hook or crook! These are outrageous times on social media and truth must be restored to its rightful place! And I, for one, am glad to have friends who can see both (all) sides of complex issues and not just stand with their so-called, "Tribe." For that matter, I do not stand with any black person, be s/he conservative or liberal on "just because." Yes! Truth, integrity, and good faith efforts matter all-round.

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.4  CB  replied to  cjcold @4.2    3 weeks ago

Cjcold, you are loved for your person. I wish others could see personage and stop their "burrowing" to undermine good in good people with scandalous, ill-conceived, rhetoric. The facts of history are what they are and good people can always point to the good people throughout history-of all stripes-especially white who have "stood in the gaps" of history to support the underserved, the defeated, the ones who would not make it because they were not respected by the other sorts of people who for God only knows what reasons seek to suppress them (minorities).

I remember Pollster Frank Luntz, during I think it was the 2022 mid-terms on CNN describe how some Conservative measure or conceive their 'running' points of interest (designed to win elections): By what policies poll. . . not by what is morally right. By a damn polling criteria some conservatives push those policies and do not take account of what is best for men, women, and children. Mr. Luntz did not skip a beat in his matter of fact statement, did not flinch or smile, to him or his point MIGHT is the ticket to what wins in elections. . . not what is good to people. It's very sad, when an entire human group's or groups' existence can be dumbed down to whom possesses majority/might to control them for power sake alone.

Anyway, men like you are a blessing to good people of all stripes and even when the chips are down in some of these complex discussions where no one comes out ahead or smelling like roses, especially white males of a certain point of view, trust in yourself that I am fully and comprehensively aware from many a historical writer that their have always, always, always, (3 times means its certain to my mind) been white men who have stood up for the defenseless and powerless even to the point of taking on their own bullies within the tribe. 

Abundant big hugs to you and yours.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.2.5  evilone  replied to  cjcold @4.2    3 weeks ago
Tired of being trashed for my sex and race. It's how I was born.

Then I wasn't talking about you. White males were at the top of the class ladders in the US for centuries and today the same types of people are using terms like Multicultural Marxism, CRS, diversity, and Great Replacement. to cling to their power structure is sickening. IF that's you then I call you out. IF that IS NOT you then go about your business. 

 
 
 
evilone
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4.2.6  evilone  replied to  George @4.2.1    3 weeks ago
To racists the fact that you are white makes you an evil suppressor.

No, being a racist, misogynistic prick and denying the same opportunities for women & minorities for decades make that class of people evil suppressors. Nothing more, nothing less.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.7  Sparty On  replied to  evilone @4.2.6    3 weeks ago

Well, since most of us are not and never have been any of those things, one wonders what your point is.

That a few “white” people are bigoted pricks?    Okay, agreed.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.2.8  evilone  replied to  Sparty On @4.2.7    3 weeks ago
Well, since most of us are not and never have been any of those things, one wonders what your point is.

See 4.2.6 

That a few “white” people are bigoted pricks?    Okay, agreed.

It's seem to largely be (and still probably not ALL of them) largely tied to a certain segment of Evangelical steeped in politics and the alt+right. 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.2.9  George  replied to  Sparty On @4.2.7    3 weeks ago
That a few “white” people are bigoted pricks?    Okay, agreed.

But that isn't the point, racists attack groups based on skin color. doesn't matter the skin color. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.2.10  evilone  replied to  George @4.2.9    3 weeks ago
But that isn't the point,

That isn't your point.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.2.11  George  replied to  evilone @4.2.10    3 weeks ago

No it's your point as so many people have pointed out.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.12  Sparty On  replied to  evilone @4.2.8    3 weeks ago
See 4.2.6 

See #4.2.7

That a few “white” people are bigoted pricks?    Okay, agreed.
It's seem to largely be (and still probably not ALL of them) largely tied to a certain segment of Evangelical steeped in politics and the alt+right. 

The same can be said about left leaning segments of the population.    So again, one asks.    What was your point?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @4.2.12    3 weeks ago

Blame old white men who may be religious and they never met?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.2.14  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.13    3 weeks ago

Yep, that segment of the population that believes that, complains a lot and gives back little.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2.15  Krishna  replied to  cjcold @4.2    2 weeks ago
This white male is a non-fascist woke white male. Tired of being trashed for my sex and race. It's how I was born.

Your actual identity is no no longer "what you were born as"!

Oh no-- what matters now is what you identify as!

KID IDENTIFIES AS A CAT!!! 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5  Greg Jones    3 weeks ago

I thought Catholic schools did a decent job of educating kids and teaching them universal values. but the left wing experts seem to think this is better for them.....

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Kavika
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5.1  author  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @5    3 weeks ago
I thought Catholic schools did a decent job of educating kids and teaching them universal values. but the left wing experts seem to think this is better for them.....

I'm sure that you think so but history especially in OK tell a much different story, I suppose that you have never heard of the ''Indian Boarding Schools''. Enlighten yourself and read their history

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @5.1    3 weeks ago

Two things can be true at once.  There are innumerable great Catholic schools. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.2  author  Kavika   replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    3 weeks ago
Two things can be true at once.

Yes, Priests have proven that to be true.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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5.1.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kavika @5.1    3 weeks ago

Hey Kavika..

After reading this article earlier today I start wandering around reading up on Catholic schools [I am laid up, had nothing better to do]  .. I came across this article, just read your comment and thought I would share it with you.

OK Catholic groups explore Indian boarding schools' history, legacy (oklahoman.com)

Peace....

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.4  author  Kavika   replied to  Colour Me Free @5.1.3    3 weeks ago

They have learned nothing at al Colour, one only has to see what is happening on some of the reservations currently to see the Church (s) haven't changed all that much.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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5.1.5  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kavika @5.1.4    3 weeks ago

I do not put much stock in anything churches do / say .. especially catholic churches.  Yet I do believe that once a conversation, preferably an honest conversation gets started, more people become aware, and the conversation can then expand.

I have been aware of the horrors of 'Indian Boarding Schools' since childhood - but once I started reading today, I was gobsmacked at the number of 'schools' there were in the United States. and that they operated into the 1960s.

I am a bit of a cynic Kavika, yet I do believe that even if the actions are self-serving, they can still be beneficial.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5.1.6  author  Kavika   replied to  Colour Me Free @5.1.5    3 weeks ago

Colour, the goal of the ''Indian schools'', Christian Religions and the US Government was to ''kill the Indian and save the man''...the goal was to assimulate the red man into the white world or kill them all. Thousands of years of culture/language/inventions gone, vanish so we could fulfill the dream of the white government/churches.. The church hasn't changed that much, Catholic Bishops just completed a ''planning'' to increase the outreach to natives and they acknowledge the historical trauma they brought on the Indians. As most all Indians said, ''too little, too late'' Get into the 21st century if you want an outreach talk to us, talking among yourself does nothing but ingrain your own prejudices and lies. 

What white Christians have been unable or unwilling to accept is that to Indians there is no absolute in religion to us. We may adopt some of the trappings of Christianity but we will never give up or toss aside our own beliefs many of which predate any Christian belief.

What is happening on the White Mountain Apache reservation with Christian groups is the perfect example of the inability of the white Christian to see us as humans.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.2  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @5    3 weeks ago
I thought Catholic schools did a decent job of educating kids and teaching them universal values.

Then by all means send your kids to Catholic schools and leave the rest of us alone. Oh... and relying on Townhall for logical and factual information will always leave you with neither.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  evilone @5.2    3 weeks ago

People just bash Catholicism constantly. 

I went to Catholic school for 12 years and there wasnt a minute of it where I thought they were leading me astray. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
5.2.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  evilone @5.2    3 weeks ago

send your kids to Catholic schools and leave the rest of us alone

They can’t afford to.  They want you to pay for it instead.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
5.2.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.2.2    3 weeks ago

[]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.3    3 weeks ago

[]

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
5.2.5  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.3    3 weeks ago

I’m not a fan of govt paying off student loans but it’s a far different scenario than paying for religious education.  You know this.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5.2.6  George  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.2.5    3 weeks ago

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Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
5.2.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  George @5.2.6    3 weeks ago

Education is about science, language, skills, technology, communications, and all sorts of things that make humanity progress.  Religion is the most digressive thing humanity has ever created.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
5.2.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.2.5    3 weeks ago
but it’s a far different scenario than paying for religious education.  You know this.

Exactly, less indoctrination at universities, s/.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5.2.9  George  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.2.8    3 weeks ago

What if their student loans are for a divinity degree? do we get to discriminate against those students?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.2.10  evilone  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    3 weeks ago
People just bash Catholicism constantly. 

People bash everything constantly. It's what the internet was built for.../s

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.2.11  evilone  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @5.2.2    3 weeks ago
They can’t afford to.  They want you to pay for it instead.

They should ask the Pope to open up the vault. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2.12  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    2 weeks ago
People just bash Catholicism constantly. 

as they should, until it accepts responsibility, and is held accountable, for all of it's past nefarious activities...

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
5.2.13  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.1    2 weeks ago
I went to Catholic school for 12 years

Oh-- so that explains it! 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.3  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @5    3 weeks ago

Man alive you guys trigger easily. 

You worry about the kids while flying "Fuck Joe Biden" flags.. Hilarious. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.3.1  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @5.3    3 weeks ago

extremely difficult to explain the constitution to thumpers...

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
5.3.2  author  Kavika   replied to  devangelical @5.3.1    3 weeks ago

OK everyone, get back on track

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6  devangelical    3 weeks ago

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evilone
Professor Guide
7  evilone    3 weeks ago

The Oklahoma Attorney General statement today on this ruling...

"The farmers of the US Constitution and those who drafted Oklahoma's Constitution clearly understood how best to protect religious freedom: by preventing the State from sponsoring any religion at all. Now Oklahomans can be assured that our tax dollars will not fund the teachings of Sharia Law or even Satanism." 
 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
7.1  Gsquared  replied to  evilone @7    3 weeks ago
Now Oklahomans can be assured that our tax dollars will not fund the teachings of Sharia Law or even Satanism.

Like that was ever an issue.  

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
7.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Gsquared @7.1    2 weeks ago
Like that was ever an issue.  

Indeed!

After School Satan

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Freshman Quiet
7.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  evilone @7    3 weeks ago
The farmers of the US Constitution

i didn't know farmers grew the Constitution ./?

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
7.2.1  fineline  replied to  Igknorantzruls @7.2    3 weeks ago

Sharp eyed aren't chaah!

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
7.2.2  Krishna  replied to  Igknorantzruls @7.2    2 weeks ago
i didn't know farmers grew the Constitution ./?

In the past, Constitutions only grew in the wild-- but over time a small group of Horticulturists found a way to domesticate them.

(Rumour has it that they were actually members of an eponymous "After School Satan Club"-- but its never been proven).

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
7.2.3  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @7.2.2    2 weeks ago
group of Horticulturists

You know the old saying:

You can lead a whore to culture but ________!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8  Sparty On    3 weeks ago

Any unbiased thinking person realizes that revenues collected from a parent for public schools, should follow their kids on the established cost per student basis, regardless of where they go to school.    If not, they should be credited those tax revenues.    The logic of fair.

Common sense if you’re not a socialist or commie.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.1  author  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @8    3 weeks ago

Our socialist country did quite well with our Public School system. Millions of kids benefited from it and are still benefiting from it. Are there problems, sure there are, but you don't abandon a system because of problems, as the self proclaimed greatest country in the world we should address the problems and move on to a brighter future.

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
8.1.1  fineline  replied to  Kavika @8.1    3 weeks ago

If only we can keep "Mom's for Freedom" out of the libraries and curriculum decisions.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.1.2  CB  replied to  Kavika @8.1    3 weeks ago

Indeed, if our country can not take proper corrective action on its own for whatever reason, then you do the next best thing, you borrow from other nations/cultures/societies what works there and get the schools in better shape. Surely, there is a proper model existing somewhere that we can model ourselves on if all other efforts have failed to get good/great/excellent results. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @8.1    3 weeks ago

I’m not saying abolish them.   I’m saying parents should have a choice and the money should follow that choice.    If public schools are the best choice, which in my opinion they should be, no problem.    Parents would send their kids there.

The fact remains many feel they are not the best choice and not without cause.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.1.4  evilone  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.3    3 weeks ago
I’m saying parents should have a choice and the money should follow that choice.    If public schools are the best choice, which in my opinion they should be, no problem.    Parents would send their kids there.

Should people without children in schools not have to pay?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  evilone @8.1.4    3 weeks ago

Should they be forced to pay failing public school systems?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.1.6  evilone  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.5    3 weeks ago
Should they be forced to pay failing public school systems?

They should join with the rest of us to find working solutions - whatever they may be.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
8.1.7  afrayedknot  replied to  evilone @8.1.6    3 weeks ago

“They should join with the rest of us to find working solutions - whatever they may be.”

Indeed.

Unfortunately, it is so much easier to spew platitudes and place blame than to acknowledge that solutions require a deeper understanding of the issue, a willingness to engage in constructive discussion, and (gasp) realize you may not get everything you want but at least are committed to doing something …as the lack of action only compounds the paralysis. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.1.8  CB  replied to  afrayedknot @8.1.7    3 weeks ago

Emphatically.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @8.1.6    3 weeks ago
They should join with the rest of us to find working solutions - whatever they may be.

Sounds great, when will "the rest of us" start working on solutions?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  evilone @8.1.6    2 weeks ago

People have been “joined” in that failed model for decades.    That hasn’t worked as time has gone on and is getting worse in many public schools.   Worse each year.

The definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over again and expecting different results.  

Most parents aren’t insane

Most parents prefer the liberty of choices.

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
8.2  fineline  replied to  Sparty On @8    3 weeks ago

That is lack of logic and makes no sense at all. Should individuals mandate which entity should receive their tax dollars and which won't? Would this apply to big business ( corporate welfare)? Public utility companies? Public works projects? Funding the military? Funding law enforcement? Get the point ?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  fineline @8.2    3 weeks ago
That is lack of logic and makes no sense at all.

Opinions do vary ….

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  fineline @8.2    2 weeks ago

Thank you!  I read that again and again looking for the sense and I didn't see it either.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @8.2.1    2 weeks ago

How did I know that would be your answer?  lol

Because you had no answer for that nonsense.

lolololol

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
8.3  Krishna  replied to  Sparty On @8    2 weeks ago
The logic of fair.

Are we to assume that "logic" and "fair" are actually synonyms?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @8.3    2 weeks ago
Are we to assume that "logic" and "fair" are actually synonyms?

Only if you wish to be wrong.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.3.2  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.1    2 weeks ago

lol, exactly.    Watching “academia” leak into conversation here reminds me of a few of those folks back in the college days.    You know the type.    Those who couldn’t do, so they taught …..

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
9  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 weeks ago

As it should be. 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
9.1  Krishna  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9    2 weeks ago
As it should be. 

All's well that ends well!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10  devangelical    2 weeks ago

preaching politics from the pulpit should result in immediate loss of tax exempt status and an IRS audit for back taxes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @10    2 weeks ago

Democrats and Republicans would never go for that.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1    2 weeks ago

yeah, thumpers are really riding a wave of popularity... /s

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
10.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @10    2 weeks ago
preaching politics from the pulpit should result in immediate loss of tax exempt status and an IRS audit for back taxes.

Preaching politics from the pulpit is a historical tradition in the Black church. Black Americans are more likely than white Americans to say it is important for sermons to touch on political topics.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.2    2 weeks ago

I realize how difficult it is for some people to distinguish between causes of social justice versus promotion of theocracy.

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
10.2.2  fineline  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.2    2 weeks ago

Is that a racial slur ? Are Black Americans more politically astute than White Americans? Are Black Americans more concerned about discrimination than White Americans? Please define the Black Church compared to White churches.  

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
10.2.3  fineline  replied to  fineline @10.2.2    2 weeks ago

One thing for certain, Black churches have better music !

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @10.2.1    2 weeks ago

Not that your comment is remotely accurate but if it was, it would be many factors better than the Idiocracy being pushed by Dems these days.    

Sadly, useful idiots eat that shit up with a serving spoon

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @10.2.4    2 weeks ago

maybe you can post the maga version of the constitution here for everyone to read...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.2.6  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @10.2.5    2 weeks ago

... along with the maga bible pamphlet.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
10.2.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @10.2.1    2 weeks ago
I realize how difficult it is for some people to distinguish between causes of social justice versus promotion of theocracy.

Your comment in 10 was about politics from the pulpit as was mine.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
10.2.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  fineline @10.2.2    2 weeks ago
Is that a racial slur ?

No, it’s a historical and current practice.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.2.9  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.2.7    2 weeks ago

I don't care how organized religion catches fire, as long as it burns down to the ground...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @10.2.9    2 weeks ago

Well, good luck with your fantasy happening, but statistics say you most likely won't live to see that day.

Sorry!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
10.2.11  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @10.2.5    2 weeks ago

Don’t need to.    Already have one but useful idiots just can’t seem to make the connection

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
10.2.12  fineline  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.2.8    2 weeks ago

Much the same as the term "Uncle Tom" !

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
10.2.13  Krishna  replied to  fineline @10.2.2    2 weeks ago
Is that a racial slur ? Are Black Americans more politically astute than White Americans? Are Black Americans more concerned about discrimination than White Americans? Please define the Black Church compared to White churches.  

Black churches played an important role during during the Civil Rights movement of the 60s. (Apparently many of our schools today fail to teach that in classes today . . . or perhaps you were unfortunate in attending a school system that didin't teach that part of our history?)

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
10.2.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @10.2.9    2 weeks ago
I don't care how organized religion catches fire, as long as it burns down to the ground...

Don’t lay around hoping, pick up a torch and get on with it.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
10.2.15  Krishna  replied to  fineline @10.2.3    2 weeks ago
One thing for certain, Black churches have better music !

Indeed!

Mahalia Jackson performing "Just a Closer Walk with Thee'" at the 1970 Newport Jazz Festival. Her show-stopping performance during the 70th birthday tribute to Louis Armstrong was a moving finale to the star-studded concert event. This is quite likely the last filmed performance of Jackson, who passed away in January 1972. Mahalia's performance of "Closer Walk" is dedicated to Armstrong, who joins her on-stage for a rousing finish.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
10.2.16  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @10.2.9    2 weeks ago
I don't care how organized religion catches fire, as long as it burns down to the ground...

Well since you're interested in churches burning down-- and since the role of The Black Church in The Civil Rights Movement was mentioned here, here is a list of attacks on Black Churches (Including some notable burnings)!

Enjoy! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

Attacks against   African-American churches  in the United States have taken the form of arson, bombings,  mass murder hate crimes , and  white supremacist -propelled  domestic terrorism . This timeline documents acts of violence against churches with predominantly black leadership and congregations.

19th century

20th century

    • 1921 May 31  Black Wall Street Church, Bombed , Tulsa Oklahoma

1951–1960

    • 1955 October 5   Burning of St. James AME Church Lake City , South Carolina
    • 1956 December 25   Bethel Baptist Church  in Birmingham, Alabama, was bombed.
    • 1957 April 28  At Allen Temple African Methodist Episcopal Church in Bessemer, Alabama, dynamite exploded at the rear of the church during an evening service.
    • 1958 June 29  Bethel Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, was bombed again . This time, guards removed the bombs to a ditch; the blast blew out the windows, however. [2]

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
10.2.17  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @10.2.16    2 weeks ago
I don't care how organized religion catches fire, as long as it burns down to the ground...

The list goes on. (Unfortunately in some of the cases the churches were burned a bit, but not completely destroyed. But you will be happy to know that many were, as you put it-- burned to the ground!

" . . . as long as it burns down to the ground . . . "

1961–1970

  • 1962 January 16   New Bethel Baptist Church, St Luke's African Methodist Episcopal Church, and Triumph Church Kingdom of God and Christ, all three in Birmingham, Alabama, were fire-bombed.
  • 1962 September 25   St. Matthew's Baptist Church of Macon, Georgia, was burned. "It is the fifth church to burn in a month. " [3] [4]
  • 1962 December 14   At Bethel Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, a third bomb blew out the church windows.
  • 1963 August 10   St. James United Methodist Church of Birmingham, Alabama, was destroyed by a "gasoline fire bomb ." [2]
  • 1963 September 15   16th Street Baptist Church   in Birmingham, Alabama,   was bombed   during a Sunday church service. Twenty-two people were injured and four girls died.
  • 1964 June 16   Mount Zion Methodist Church in Longdale, Mississippi, was burned to the ground. An investigation by Mississippi civil rights workers led to the   murders of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner .
  • 1964 July 30   Mount Moriah Baptist Church near Meridian, Mississippi was leveled by fire . This attack is connected to countless others that were meant to intimidate Black residents who were active in the   Civil rights movement . [5]
  • 1964 July 31   Pleasant Grove Missionary Baptist Church in Rankin County, Mississippi, 15 miles east of Jackson, was burned shortly before midnight. At least 15 churches were damaged or destroyed by lire between the statewide civil rights drive opening in mid-June and this day. [5]
  • 1966 October 6   The Second Bethel Baptist Church, an African American church in   Richmond, Virginia , was bombed by unidentified individuals.
  • The incident, indicative of   Ku Klux Klan (KKK)   activity, led civil rights organizations, including the Virginia chapter of the   NAACP , to pressure Governor   Mills E. Godwin   to publicly condemn the Klan. This bombing was part of the broader context of racially motivated violence during the Civil Rights Movement. [6] [7]

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
10.2.18  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @10.2.17    2 weeks ago
1964 July 30   Mount Moriah Baptist Church near Meridian, Mississippi was leveled by fire. This attack is connected to countless others that were meant to intimidate Black residents who were active in the   Civil rights movement . [5]

I stopped there-- there were many, many more--to many to list.

Here's the most recent one listed:

  • 2022 November 8   Two churches, Greater Bethlehem Temple Church and Epiphany Church, in Jackson, Mississippi were burned overnight. Both fires, in addition to 5 others set the same night, were deemed the work of an arsonist. [33] [34]

I was thinking that your wish:

I don't care how organized religion catches fire, as long as it burns down to the ground...

must be considered to be more than fulfilled! jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.2.19  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.2.14    2 weeks ago

not much needed to improve upon the job the lowest hanging fruit are doing to themselves...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
10.2.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @10.2.19    2 weeks ago

Just keep laying around then.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11  devangelical    2 weeks ago

radical thumpers are testing the constitution by crossing the wall of separation. they must be forced back onto church property by any legal means available...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @11    2 weeks ago

Our Constitution is strong enough to be tested!

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
11.1.1  fineline  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1    2 weeks ago

 Don't bet your freedom on it ! MAGA SCOTUS is in the process of ending freedom for us all ! False churches, bigotry and greed !

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  fineline @11.1.1    2 weeks ago
Don't bet your freedom on it ! MAGA SCOTUS is in the process of ending freedom for us all ! False churches, bigotry and greed !

The post is full of laughable nonsense.

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
11.1.3  fineline  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.2    2 weeks ago

You can laugh as you walk, dressed in black, to the gulag. Oh happy days !

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
11.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.2    2 weeks ago

I know.    One wonders if they are kooky enough to really believe it or if it’s just another liberal gaslight special

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  fineline @11.1.3    2 weeks ago

what are you referring to, and what relation to what I wrote?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
11.1.6  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.2    2 weeks ago
The post is full of laughable nonsense.

LOL.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
11.1.7  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @11.1.6    2 weeks ago
The post is full of laughable nonsense.

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
11.2  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @11    2 weeks ago

That moron who is saying the bible must be taught in public schools 'was to push back at leftists'

That moron is welcome to send his spawn to private catholic schools on his dime.

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
11.2.1  fineline  replied to  Tessylo @11.2    2 weeks ago

White Christian Nationalists won't be satisfied until we are all wearing black hats and bonnets while stumbling through life staring at the ground. Subservience will never be part of the "American Dream". 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
11.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  fineline @11.2.1    2 weeks ago
White Christian Nationalists won't be satisfied until we are all wearing black hats

Well that leaves me out.  In this weather, I favor a Toquilla straw hat in natural beige.

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
11.2.3  fineline  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @11.2.2    2 weeks ago

Sure it isn't pointed and white? Beige from sun fade ?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
11.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  fineline @11.2.3    2 weeks ago

I’m sure you know little about hats.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
11.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @11.2.2    2 weeks ago

Me too, I prefer a Marine desert digital boonie.

Whew …. We are both safe ….,

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
11.2.6  Krishna  replied to  fineline @11.2.1    2 weeks ago
Subservience will never be part of the "American Dream". 

Are we to assume (based on your comment) that you didn't watch the recent Presidential debate?  jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gif

(Not that there's anything wrong with that...jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif )

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
11.2.7  fineline  replied to  Krishna @11.2.6    2 weeks ago

You and the mouse in your pocket can assume as you like . Yes, I did watch the debate . Enlighten me as to how the the two relate .

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12  Sparty On    2 days ago

Christian nationalism my ass.    Money paid specifically for schools, should follow the kid.    That or folks not sending their kids to public schools should get a tax break.

Continuing to subsidize failing public schools is insane.

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
12.1  fineline  replied to  Sparty On @12    yesterday

See my 8.2

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
12.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  fineline @12.1    12 hours ago

See 8.1.10, 8.2.1, 11.1.4 and 12

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
13  CB    11 hours ago

This bickering about every damn thing is really a country in the pits and thralls of defeatism.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
13.1  Sparty On  replied to  CB @13    4 hours ago

Speak for yourself

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
13.1.1  CB  replied to  Sparty On @13.1    3 hours ago

My comment speaks for itself, yes. "You" can have the last word, because I am done with pointless bickering that resolves nothing.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
13.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  CB @13.1.1    an hour ago

lol …. I love that “you can have the last word” gambit.     Almost as good as the PeeWee Herman gambit many of my friend on the left like to employ …. But not quite.

My comment speaks for itself

So do mine.     Every one of them

Every one ….

 
 

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