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The Political Power of detention

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  2 weeks ago  •  174 comments

The Political Power of detention
"He's taken away my constitutional right to speak."

Martin Luther King knew it, Nelson Mandela knew it and Donald Trump has finally realized it. When a judicial system becomes a rotten door waiting to be kicked in, the way to overcome the biased judges & juries who have weaponized the law, is to succumb to jail time. If you want to highlight corruption you must be willing to go to jail. Donald Trump has reached that point.

In a trial which has completely denigrated the New York State justice system, One in which a judge defies state law, where the indictment doesn't not indicate what the crime is and where the prosecution is told is doesn't have to tell the defense who the witnesses are, Donald Trump is standing in clear defiance of a gag order which  allows witnesses to talk about him, yet firmly denies him the same right.

Today the judge in Donald Trump's bogus criminal trial fined him $1,000 and held him in contempt of court for a 10th time for violating a gag order and warned that further violations could land the former president in jail. Judge Merchan warned Trump this morning: “I do not want to impose a jail sanction and have done everything I can to avoid doing so. But I will if necessary.” 

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Trump told reporters the same thing he has been saying everyday:


"He's taken away my constitutional right to speak."

Translation: BRING IT ON!


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

I never thought I'd say it but bring on the jail time.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

the usual false equivalencies and judicial misinformation. if trump does go to jail, he'll be among more of his peers ...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago
the usual false equivalencies and judicial misinformation.

The above are called FACTS.


if trump does go to jail, he'll be among more of his peers ...

If Trump goes to jail, he will become unbeatable in November. Even those who dislike him will vote for him on principle.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
The above are called FACTS.

That's an opinion! Why is it that opinionists always think their musings are facts? Bunch of phucking partisan primadonnas. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

Where are the facts?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

If Trump goes to jail, he will become unbeatable in November. Even those who dislike him will vote for him on principle.

So if he is proven guilty and goes to jail, you'll like him more? Wow. The GOP is DEAD. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

he could be trying to cover up some other damaging sex scandals before then. no secret service detail is needed in a locked room environment. the worst part of incarceration for trump will be the lack of fast food. I recommend sending him some soap on a rope if he gets placed in custody for failure to stfu.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago

Do you not understand he was talking about if the judge gave him jail time for contempt of court???

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.2    2 weeks ago
trump is free to say whatever he wants, but his speech has consequences

The judge said the prosecution did not have to tell the defense who the witnesses were.

Is that not a fact?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.4    2 weeks ago
So if he is proven guilty and goes to jail, you'll like him more?

Many who have yet to decide will see it as standing for principle.  People do go to jail for principle.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

From a 'man' who has no principles or standards or morals or decorum or decency or shame or values or ethics.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.10  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

if there really was equal justice in america, that asshole would've already been sitting in jail for close to a year ...

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.11  Hallux  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.4    2 weeks ago
So if he is proven guilty and goes to jail, you'll like him more?

Nah, it just provides for the empty apples/oranges comparison award.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1.10    2 weeks ago
if there really was equal justice in america, that asshole would've already been sitting in jail for close to a year .

I know, I know, those mean old Republicans are just preventing Democrats from doing anything. 

Excuse after excuse after excuse.

Time to shit or get off the pot--instead of yakking incessantly about it, Democrats should get a conviction.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.11    2 weeks ago

I expect so much more.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.14  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    2 weeks ago

Bollocks!

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.1.15  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.12    2 weeks ago
Time to shit or get off the pot--instead of yakking incessantly about it, Democrats should get a conviction.

Meaningless drivel.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @1.1.15    2 weeks ago

Just the response expected from far left radicals.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.1.17  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.16    2 weeks ago

Just the response expected from reactionary propagandists.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.18  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.8    2 weeks ago
People do go to jail for principle.

No, they go to jail because they're GUILTY.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @1.1.17    2 weeks ago

I enjoyed your Peewee Herman rapier-like wit immensely.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.20  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.7    2 weeks ago
Is that not a fact?

no, it's a deflection...

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.21  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
If Trump goes to jail, he will become unbeatable in November. Even those who dislike him will vote for him on principle.

That's an interesting theory.

On Newstalkers, there are those who like him, those who don't like him-- and probably a few who don't care either way (lol?)

Why not do a real test of reality-- and ask a few from each side?

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.22  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
If Trump goes to jail, he will become unbeatable in November. Even those who dislike him will vote for him on principle.

And Trump will get elected by a large majority because of his role is overturning Roe v Wade.

(/sarc)

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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1.1.23  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

“People do go to jail for principle.”

And if one has no principles, one is left to run for the sole purpose of excusing oneself of all accusations.

How low can one go? How low can those that excuse it go? Why is his relevancy even increasing in some circles?

“We have met the enemy and he is us.”

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.24  Sean Treacy  replied to  afrayedknot @1.1.23    2 weeks ago

How low can one go? How low can those that excuse it g

bill Clinton perjured himself, obstructed justice,  sexually harassed a staffer, was credibly accused of sexual assault and rape and his support among democrats went up.  Clinton changed the game.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.1.25  GregTx  replied to  afrayedknot @1.1.23    2 weeks ago
Why is his relevancy even increasing in some circles?

I would think current events have alot to do with it...

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.26  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.24    2 weeks ago

But supposedly the GOP are "do-gooders." And, not inclined to race to the bottom like those they criticize.  . . .  /s 

What we have here is a case of if you can't beat them, join them! Whataboutism.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.27  Sean Treacy  replied to  CB @1.1.26    2 weeks ago

What we have here is a case of if you can't beat the

yes, that’s what happens. Norms get destroyed

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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1.1.28  afrayedknot  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.24    2 weeks ago

“Clinton changed the game.”

Sad that instead of making him a pariah, he has become an excuse for even worse behavior. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.29  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.27    2 weeks ago

Then, nobody is better at 'all' and worth mentioning to the other. Let the chips fall where they may. Donald has a court day for his activities as he should because the law is holding him to truth or consequences. The legal system in individual states plays itself out in a variety of ways. Get over it! 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.30  Sean Treacy  replied to  CB @1.1.29    2 weeks ago

Yep. Might makes right. You got it. 

don’t bitch when democrats start getting arrested for ridiculous, made up crimes. And someday when some president declines to ever give up power to avoid criminal charges.  It  was the logical play for  Caesar and if won’t be long  until an American president makes the same choice.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.31  Sean Treacy  replied to  afrayedknot @1.1.28    2 weeks ago

Sad that instead of making him a pariah, he has become an excuse for even worse beh

I agree, but once the playbook worked, it was inevitable that it would be copied.

How different the world would be if Al gore became president in 98.  He almost certainly wins in 2000 and trump would be unthinkable as a candidate. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.32  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.30    2 weeks ago

Pathetic. Really unfortunately sad. The greatest country to inhabit on the planet (in a lot of ways) is taking a sick turn to try and 'murder' itself with its own undoings! Sorry is this continuing race to the bottom. . . but remember Melania: "Be Best!"

One more thing: Not all of 'us' liberals supported Clinton's public failings, especially the one we were all made witnesses to it happening in the White House. We did not ask for it, we did not play a role in its dissolution. We merely were observers of its proceedings and outcomes.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.33  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.12    2 weeks ago

By that reasoning, the same would and should apply to Joe Biden as well, but the hard core liberal left would rather chew on a mouthful of maggots than agree to that.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.34  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.24    2 weeks ago

And still remained in office.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.35  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @1.1.23    2 weeks ago

I think going to jail for the Constitution is a noble cause.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.36  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @1.1.22    2 weeks ago

Trump will be judged by his overall performance as President and unfortunately for Joe Biden the same will apply to his performance.

Just think, if we conducted elections as we did in 1980, Trump would be ahead by double digits already.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.37  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @1.1.21    2 weeks ago
Why not do a real test of reality-- and ask a few from each side?

We kind of hear from everybody on the overabundance of Trump articles. What is noteworthy is that the supporters tend to talk about performance and policy and the Trump haters tend to use memes and smears. As for people in the middle, too many of them get driven out.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.38  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1.20    2 weeks ago
no, it's a deflection...

It is a FACT:

Judge  Juan Merchan  ruled that prosecutors will not have to give advance notice of the witness list to Donald Trump’s legal team, because the former president cannot be trusted not to post about them.

Judge Won’t Force Prosecutors to Give Advance Notice of Witnesses Because Trump Can’t Be Trusted Not to Post About Them (msn.com)


Thanks for playing.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.39  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
the usual false equivalencies and judicial misinformation.
The above are called FACTS.

Sure got that right... snicker

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.40  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @1.1.39    2 weeks ago

You can't dispute the one highlighted in post 1.1.38 either.

Thank you too.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.41  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.35    2 weeks ago
I think going to jail for the Constitution is a noble cause.

when did hypocrisy become a noble cause?

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.42  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.40    2 weeks ago

Who made you god? You just say something is and make it so? 

I hope you won't be too despondent to admit loss when Trump loses in November.

Trump is a loose cannon and if he were any normal person he would be cooling his heels in jail already. He has played the "ex-president" and "candidate" cards until they are ready to burst into flames from misuse. He is not special. He is bad for the country. He is a traitor to the Constitution and the Oath of Office.  

The gag order was put in place because of Trump's history of attacking anyone who may say something bad about him.  That is the same reason that Trump's attorneys were denied access. Whine all you want. Trump is finally getting justice. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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1.1.43  afrayedknot  replied to  Thomas @1.1.42    2 weeks ago

“He has played the "ex-president" and "candidate" cards until they are ready to burst into flames…”

We are witnessing an example of self immolation. And in his sociopathic ways is only so willing to burn it all down. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.44  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.35    2 weeks ago

You are entitled to spin all you wish. Donald is not a fan of the constitution when he is driven by his self-serving demons.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.45  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @1.1.42    2 weeks ago

EXCELLENT!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.46  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @1.1.42    2 weeks ago

'Say something bad about him'

Like the truth

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.47  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.46    2 weeks ago

Your version of the truth?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.48  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.47    2 weeks ago

No, the truth.  Not the PD&D plus delusion and alternate reality where some reside

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.49  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.48    2 weeks ago

As I said, your version.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.50  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

Trump is breaking every law he can so a judge will send him to jail.

He thinks it will make him seem a martyr.

All it is making him seem is stupid.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.51  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.49    2 weeks ago

NO, THE TRUTH.  THERE IS ONLY ONE VERSION OF THE TRUTH

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.52  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.51    2 weeks ago

Thank you for continuing prove my point in that only your version matters to you and any that disagree with you are by default wrong. Have a good day.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

Are you seriously comparing the former 'president' to Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela?

Unreal.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    2 weeks ago

Nuremberg comparisons would probably be a lot more accurate...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    2 weeks ago

Yes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

True.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.2.1    2 weeks ago
Nuremberg comparisons would probably be a lot more accurate...

AT least believed by far left radicals.

 
 
 
CB
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1.2.5  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    2 weeks ago

Then, perhaps the Right has set too high a bar for Donald to measure himself by, in my opinion. That said, let's watch these legal cases play themselves out.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  CB @1.2.5    2 weeks ago

It seems that we may only see one play out before the election.

 
 
 
CB
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1.2.7  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.6    2 weeks ago

And so it is what it is.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

Actually, I think Trump WANTS it, because then he can emulate Mandela and exit jail as such a hero to his minions.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3    2 weeks ago

I agree and I think Alvin Bragg even realizes that.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.2  cjcold  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.3    2 weeks ago

Mandela was always a good man fighting injustice.

Trump has always been an evil man fighting justice.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @1.3.2    2 weeks ago

The former 'president' is nothing but a lifelong thug/conman/grifter/liar/cheat/thief/rapist/scumbag.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Using a state party to Imprison rivals on a purely political charge is not something I imagined Democrats could stoop to even a decade ago.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    2 weeks ago

The democrat party has had its low points, but this is its lowest.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 weeks ago
democrat party has had its low points, but this is its lowest.

They threw Debbs in prison in 1920 to protect their left flank, but going after the actual leading candidate is definitely a new low. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    2 weeks ago
but going after the actual leading candidate is definitely a new low. 

Now they are in Putin territory.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 weeks ago

The democrat party has had its low points, but this is its lowest.

The dems aren't the ones supporting a criminal rapist. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.3    2 weeks ago
The dems aren't the ones supporting a criminal rapist.

And who is?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.3    2 weeks ago
The dems aren't the ones supporting a criminal rapist. 

Show us where Trump was convicted of rape?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    2 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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2.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.6    2 weeks ago

Should we tell him that a Civil finding has a very low bar. All you need is for a woman to tell her friend that she was sexually harassed ages ago in the middle of a NYC department store and have the defendant's name be Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.7    2 weeks ago
All you need is for a woman to tell her friend that she was sexually harassed ages ago in the middle of a NYC department store and have the defendant's name be Trump.

She told her friend, the witness, about it right after it happened. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    2 weeks ago
She told her friend, the witness, about it right after it happened. 

yeah, nobody ever lied to help a friend win a settlement in a court case before. Just couldn't happen.

They had decades to get their story straight.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    2 weeks ago

When did it happen? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.9    2 weeks ago

She testified under oath. That is the way it works. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.12  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

That's no guarantee she told the truth.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.13  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    2 weeks ago
Now they are in Putin territory.

Something Trumpists find admirable.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.11    2 weeks ago
She testified under oath. That is the way it works. 

Gee, no one has ever been convicted of perjury, right?

Swearing under oath is no arbitrator of the truth.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
2.1.15  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.12    2 weeks ago

That's no guarantee she told the truth.

Did trump testify under oath? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 weeks ago

I don't know.  Can you get lower than slavery and Jim Crowe?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    2 weeks ago
going after the actual leading candidate is definitely a new low. 

Trump announced in Nov 2022, two years before the election, in order to ward off indictments by claiming they would be political persecution of a presidential candidate. 

If he thought indictments were imminent in 2021 he would have announced his presidential candidacy in 2021. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.17    2 weeks ago

But if they indicted him in 2021, for which there was no reason not to,  particularly for a “crime” that took place in 2017, they’d have had no chance to synch the trials up with election season, 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.19  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.18    2 weeks ago

Trump has stalled ALL of his trials. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.16    2 weeks ago
Can you get lower than slavery and Jim Crowe?

I think one could argue that Marxist indoctrination and the weaponization of government is a lower point that slavery.

It is a conundrum.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.21  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.19    2 weeks ago

That's a good counter measure against people who are trying to deny him due process and freedom of speech.  Especially with fraudulent charges.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.19    2 weeks ago

How did he “stall” trials when he wasn’t indicted?   The democrats wasted years in order to try and time  the trials with the election and now are mad trump isn’t helping them by waving procedural rights. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.23  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.22    2 weeks ago

The J6 trial would have been over already if not for his stalling. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.24  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.20    2 weeks ago
I think one could argue that Marxist indoctrination and the weaponization of government is a lower point that [sic] slavery.

Not with a straight face.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.25  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.7    2 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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2.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @2.1.25    2 weeks ago

Removed for context - sandy

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    2 weeks ago

Except that's not what's happening here.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3  MrFrost    2 weeks ago
Martin Luther King knew it, Nelson Mandela knew it and Donald Trump has finally realized it.

King and Mandela really WERE political prisoners. Trump is a criminal. Big difference. 

"He's taken away my constitutional right to speak."

Not true, (I know, trump lied, how shocking.../yawn/), trump is free to say whatever he wants, but his speech has consequences and the judge has been MORE than fair in just making trump pay a fine. If it was ANYONE else, they would be doing 30 days for every offence. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @3    2 weeks ago
Trump is a criminal. Big difference. 

What crime did he commit?


trump is free to say whatever he wants, but his speech has consequences

And Michael Cohen has no consequences.  That seems a little screwed up, don't you think?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago
And Michael Cohen has no consequences. 

He went to prison Vic! 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago
What crime did he commit?

He was found liable for rape, for starters. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

There is a stark difference between being held liable in a civil case and being convicted in a criminal court.

The two things are not equal.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.2    2 weeks ago
He was found liable for rape, for starters. 

Wrong, he was found liable for "sexual abuse" based on hearsay.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Wrong, he was found liable for "sexual abuse" based on hearsay.

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Wrong, he was found liable for "sexual abuse" based on hearsay.

If trump was so innocent, why did he refuse to submit his DNA, since that would have completely cleared him?

Because he was fucking guilty, that's why. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

Except the jury literally found him not guilty of rape when asked, 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.6    2 weeks ago
If trump was so innocent, why did he refuse to submit his DNA, since that would have completely cleared him? Because he was fucking guilty, that's why.

gee, what with all this evidence, why didn't Trump get charged in criminal court instead of decades later in a civil court?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.9  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

Still repeating that blatant lie?

A federal jury has found former President Donald Trump liable for battery and defamation in the lawsuit brought by writer E. Jean Carroll, who says he raped her in a Manhattan department store in the mid-1990s. The nine jurors, who deliberated for barely three hours before reaching their unanimous conclusion, did not find that Trump raped Carroll. But they agreed that he "sexually abused" her and that he defamed her when he denied her story.

Moral of the story don't ever set foot in a Democrat run bastion of stupid city or state. You never know what those TDS mighty mental midgets will charge you with.

By the way- Carroll's bought and paid for Democrat human POS attorney's did almost as good of a job as the TDS driven judge did in making sure facts didn't matter. Carroll couldn't get the when correct- but at least she stuck with the who and where doggedly. 

 has said she does not remember the exact date but believes it was in late 1995 or early 1996. A lawyer for Trump tried to use the lack of a date to undermine her account in his opening statement on Tuesday. But in her testimony Wednesday, Carroll provided a detailed account of what she says happened that day.

A day like that should "Live in infamy" in her mind.

Please read all of Carroll's witnesses testimony- every last bit of it is hearsay from her friends. Then there was the testimony of former accusers. Funny how her friend had no problem remembering the month and year- almost like she was coached on what to say.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago

I think I heard that it came out in court today that Trump "reimbursed" Cohen double the 130,000 hush payment so as to make Cohen whole after the 50% tax he would pay on the 130,000. 

I might be slow but that sounds pretty incriminating. 

If all Trump wanted to do was keep the scandal from Melania why didnt he pay with his own money? 

What do you think the consequences for Trump should be for covering up a scandal that would hurt him two weeks before the election ? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.11  Greg Jones  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.6    2 weeks ago

Was DNA ever collected from her?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.11    2 weeks ago

Not necessary.  She told her friend about the sexual assault and how she didn't know if she was penetrated by its' fingers or its' little mushroom because it has such a small penis.  

The sexual assault rings true -  he sexually assaulted another woman in a similar way on an airplane - the rapist was all over her without her consent - because that's what famous people like it are allowed to get away with - and put his little fingers up her private area.  I think it raped her also.  He's sexually assaulted many women (and many very young girls) - and they've all told similar stories about how it raped them.  It's called a pattern of behavior or something like that to attorneys, DAs, etc., etc.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.13  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.11    2 weeks ago

Was DNA ever collected from her?

She didn't need to. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.14  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.12    2 weeks ago

And the friend just conveniently forgot to tell anyone until the trial.

Right.......

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.1.15  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

“…he was found liable for "sexual abuse"… 

Presidential material this?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.16  Ronin2  replied to  afrayedknot @3.1.15    2 weeks ago

By a TDS driven judge and jury selected from a heavily Democrat bastion of stupidity.

Outcome was predetermined before the trial was even started.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    2 weeks ago
There is a stark difference between being held liable in a civil case and being convicted in a criminal court

You know that there are many on the left that can't comprehend the differences between the two. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.12    2 weeks ago
how she didn't know if she was penetrated by its' fingers or its' little mushroom because it has such a small penis.

Oh bullshit.[]

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.19  Thomas  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.9    2 weeks ago

The reason that Trump was not found guilty of rape is definitional in nature. Specifically, when he committed sexual assault (like that is any better!), the law defined rape as non-consensual sexual intercourse. Link 

New York has this year expanded the definition of rape to encompass " nonconsensual vaginal, oral and anal sexual contact ". Link

I believe that he was found to have digitally penetrated her. Unfortunately, the updated law does not take effect till this September.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.20  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.6    2 weeks ago
If trump was so innocent, why did he refuse to submit his DNA

And just what would that accomplish? Did she also have a blue dress that she kept from the day of the supposed attack?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.21  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago
What crime did he commit?

You should be asking what crime was he found guilty of committing.    The answer would then be definitively none since this was a civil case.

Now, assuming Trump is found guilty of a crime in a criminal case, will you claim a travesty of justice?   That is, do you recognize wrongdoing by Trump that could legitimately be determined as criminal guilt?   Or is every alleged wrongdoing a brilliantly orchestrated falsehood by Joe Biden?   Did Trump not really obstruct the return of classified documents?   Did Trump not really create fake electors, attempt to suborn Pence to table certified results from states he lost in order to put the election in the hands of Congress and hopefully declare him the winner?   All bullshit ... Trump has done nothing wrong?   

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.22  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago

And Michael Cohen has no consequences.  That seems a little screwed up, don't you think?

So by your argument, since Cohen went to prison, Trump should go to prison as well. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.12    2 weeks ago

I think that's why it's such an angry and hateful and vengeful piece of shit, it's felt cheated for lacking manhood in every possible way.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.24  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.7    2 weeks ago

And then there were all of those other women Trump raped who were too intimidated to follow through with the charges.

[Deleted] [] You seem to admire Trump.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.25  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @3.1.24    2 weeks ago

The truth - a lot of young girls raped by the former 'president' and Epstein, his very, very, good friend - families and themselves were threatened and intimidated so of course they withdrew out of fear of themselves and their families being murdered by these thugs like Epstein was murdered in his jail cell so the truth couldn't get out.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @3    2 weeks ago
Trump is a criminal.

It's hilarious that you cry that at every chance yet none of those claims have any substantial proof that can stand in a court of law.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2    2 weeks ago

It's hilarious that you cry that at every chance yet none of those claims have any substantial proof that can stand in a court of law.

Signed,

Hillary Clinton

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.2.2  cjcold  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2    2 weeks ago

Trump and his billions have been able to buy off substantial proof for his whole life.[]

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @3.2.2    2 weeks ago
Trump and his billions have been able to buy off substantial proof for his whole life. How did you get to be so naive?

That reads like "We've been trying to get Trump for at least 7 years now with nary a conviction, so it must be Trump's fault we are such inept clowns."

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2.4  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

Hillary committed a real fucking crime- just like Brandon.

But thanks to our two tier just system Comey and Hur let both off the hook. Though given how Democrat run Bastions of stupidity work both would have been probably acquitted if brought to trial. Granted a Democrat appointed judge; and a heavily Democrat jury pool.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  cjcold @3.2.2    2 weeks ago

Again.  Unproven accusations. 

It's taken 7 YEARS to inflate a misdemeanor into a felony and even that looks like is yet failure by the left.

And all the while, you and your little band of useless idiots ignore:

  • Bill Clinton paying hush money
  • John Edwards paying hush money
  • Hillary Clinton mishandling classified material
  • Joe Biden mishandling classified material

And a new addition (because we know nothing will be done about it):

  • John Smith mishandling classified material

Things these people have in common is

  1. They all committed crimes
  2. None have been charged
  3. They are ALL Democrats

Now, before any of you start bitching and whining "that's a deflection".  Pointing out the hypocrisy you openly support is far from a deflection.  Additionally, it's not in any shape or form, a declaration of supporting Trump.  It's supporting, what should be, an equal justice system.  Some  people here, just can't understand that fact.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

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MrFrost
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4.1  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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4.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 weeks ago

All Trump supporters are delusional?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2    2 weeks ago

The very supporting of Trump is delusional. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2    2 weeks ago

they'd have to be

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.1    2 weeks ago

Those who still support Brandon have no room to talk about delusional.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @4.2.3    2 weeks ago
Brandon

Brandon Lee? Phillips? Which one? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

Google is your friend. Try using it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.2.6  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @4.2.5    2 weeks ago

Google is your friend. Try using it.

That's what I used, those were the top two. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.2.7  cjcold  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.4    2 weeks ago
Brandon Lee?

He was damn near as good as his dad! 

What happened in the Crow was very suspect.

The Triads hold a generational grudge.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.2.8  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.6    2 weeks ago

Can't even use Google properly?

Typed in Brandon- very first article at the top of the page.

How did Republicans settle on ‘Let’s Go Brandon’ as a G-rated substitute for its more vulgar three-word cousin?

It started at an Oct. 2 NASCAR race at the Talladega Superspeedway in Alabama. Brandon Brown, a 28-year-old driver, had won his first Xfinity Series and was being interviewed by an NBC Sports reporter. The crowd behind him was chanting something at first difficult to make out. The reporter suggested they were chanting “Let’s go, Brandon” to cheer the driver. But it became increasingly clear they were saying: “F—- Joe Biden.”

NASCAR and NBC have since taken steps to limit “ambient crowd noise” during interviews, but it was too late — the phrase already had taken off.

When the president visited a construction site in suburban Chicago a few weeks ago to promote his vaccinate-or-test mandate, protesters deployed both three-word phrases. This past week, Biden’s motorcade was driving past a “Let’s Go Brandon” banner as the president passed through Plainfield, New Jersey.

 It has only been around since 2021 and used frequently. 

Brandon is so stupid he has even adopted "Dark Brandon" to try and sell campaign merch. That is after someone had to explain what Brandon was to he and Jill after he said "Let's go Brandon. I agree" on live tv.

Have to love Brandon supporters wearing "Fuck Joe Biden" merch. And Brandon even agrees.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

Brandon Biden. Surprised you didn't know that.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.2.10  MrFrost  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.9    2 weeks ago

Brandon Biden. Surprised you didn't know that.

I don't have the maturity of a 12 year old, so there ya go. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.10    2 weeks ago

Try to remember that as you throw names at Donald.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

He kind of tip toed around the gag order after the trial today 

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Donald Trump: “This judge has given me a gag order and said you'll go to jail if you violate it and frankly, you know what, our Constitution is much more important than jail. It's not even close. I'll do that sacrifice any day.”
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago

Thank you, John. That is the key quote.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago

You sound like you are in favor of him violating the gag order. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.2  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago
Constitution is much more important than jail. It's not even close. I'll do that sacrifice any day.”

He's already playing the martyr card and his supporters will just eat it up.. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.3  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3    2 weeks ago

The only problem is there hasn't been proof to support that.  

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.3.2  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @5.3    2 weeks ago

Hopefully he goes to the prison where getting shivved in GenPop is reality.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.4  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago

Fuck the judge, the DA, and the Democrat paid for hit man prosecutor.

They should all be disbarred after this is over for the shit show they are putting the country through.

That is if the law still has any meaning in Democrat run bastions of stupidity.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.4.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Ronin2 @5.4    2 weeks ago

“Fuck the judge, the DA, and the Democrat paid for hit man prosecutor.”

While you’re at it, fuck the Constitution, the rule of law, and the Republican paid for apologists. 

At some point, this bullshit has to stop. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.4.2  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @5.4.1    2 weeks ago

The delusion is unfathomable

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.4.3  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @5.4    2 weeks ago
That is if the law still has any meaning in Democrat run bastions of stupidity.

They are following the law, trump is the one that isn't. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.4.4  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @5.4.3    2 weeks ago

Really, what law is that?

Please explain in detail how they are turning an NDS, which is legal; and an accounting issue- which Trump isn't directly responsible for- into a violation of federal (not state) election law?

Democratic Attorney Julian Epstein blasted Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's ongoing "hush money" case against former President   Donald Trump   as an "embarrassment to the legal system."

Epstein, who previously served as Democratic chief counsel to the House Judiciary Committee, criticized Bragg for pursuing the charges against Trump during an interview on   Fox News ' "Brian Kilmeade Radio" on Wednesday.

"This is an outrageous case. It's an embarrassment to the legal system that this case is being brought," he said. "The theory that we heard on Monday from prosecution that this is about election interference because the Trump campaign was trying to suppress that story. Suppressing that story is not election interference. Everyone does it."

The only reason these charges were brought is Bragg and the Brandon administration are counting on a leftist TDS driven judge (which they got); and a jury pool taken from a dominant Democrat controlled bastion of stupidity. 

If this is election interference then so is Brandon's cover up of Hunter Biden's lap top.

That is the very definition of using the federal government to influence an election in 2020. Since it was a federal election charges could be brought in any Trump stronghold, with a far right judge (preferably a Trump appointee; and a complete pro Trump jury. You would be all for that because you are for the rule of law right? At least the charges wouldn't be bogus unlike Bragg's. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.4.5  Ronin2  replied to  afrayedknot @5.4.1    2 weeks ago

The Democrats already are doing that- so they can fuck off as well.

Either the law applies equally to everyone or no one.

Democrats don't give a shit about equal application of the law- they have proven that repeatedly ever since the Summer of Love riots.

The buillshit will stop once Democrats end it. Until then we will have a two tier justice system that is the envy of Russia, China, Ukraine, and every other dictatorship posing as a Democracy on the planet.

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.4.6  cjcold  replied to  Ronin2 @5.4    2 weeks ago

Trump has been a life-long scofflaw and is past due for a time-out in prison.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.4.7  Ronin2  replied to  cjcold @5.4.6    2 weeks ago

So have Bill, Hillary, and Brandon.

Yet all three are still walking free. Not one of them have been charged.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.4.8  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @5.4.7    2 weeks ago
Not one of them have been charged.

And that after 25 years of fake investigations by repubes. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
5.4.9  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @5.4.7    2 weeks ago
So have Bill, Hillary, and Brandon.

BDS and CDS... Sad. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.4.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  afrayedknot @5.4.1    2 weeks ago

It will when Biden is voted out of office.

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.5  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago

lock him up!

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.5.1  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @5.5    2 weeks ago

And throw away the key.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6  Ronin2    2 weeks ago

Xi and Zelenskyy are both offended by that.

Putin is a wannabe as compared to them; so stop omitting his betters.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6.1  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @6    2 weeks ago
Xi and Zelenskyy are both offended by that.

Where were they mentioned in the article?

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.2  cjcold  replied to  Ronin2 @6    2 weeks ago

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CB
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7  CB    2 weeks ago
Martin Luther King knew it, Nelson Mandela knew it and Donald Trump has finally realized it. When a judicial system becomes a rotten door waiting to be kicked in, the way to overcome the biased judges & juries who have weaponized the law, is to succumb to jail time. If you want to highlight corruption you must be willing to go to jail. Donald Trump has reached that point.

Noone should delude themselves into thinking that Donald is Martin or Nelson. . . starting with the obvious: "Orange" is definitely Not the new Black.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1  Tessylo  replied to  CB @7    2 weeks ago

It's laughable comparing the former 'president' to these decent and honorable people.  It's shameful.  Deplorable.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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7.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Tessylo @7.1    2 weeks ago

And historically inaccurate.

 
 
 
CB
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7.1.2  CB  replied to  Gsquared @7.1.1    2 weeks ago

We can all just imagine what a Donald "Letter from a New York Jail" would read—.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  CB @7.1.2    2 weeks ago

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Gsquared
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8  Gsquared    2 weeks ago

The people screaming and bitterly complaining about Trump facing possible detention for violation of a lawful court order are the same people that, regarding Hillary Clinton, wanted Lock Her Up, well... because.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago
Kimberly Guilfoyle , in speech to Trump rally - " America, you're going to get what you deserve"

that's what we're all afraid of

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @9    2 weeks ago

800

 
 
 
cjcold
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9.2  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @9    2 weeks ago

I am America and don't deserve far right wing fascism. 

Have been fighting against it for decades. Since Nam.

I just don't have the money. Nobody does.

The military industrial complex still owns democracy. 

 
 

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