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Florida Settles ‘Don’t Say Gay’ Lawsuit: Teachers Can Talk About Gender And Sexual Orientation Outside Instruction

  

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Via:  kavika  •  one month ago  •  36 comments

Florida Settles ‘Don’t Say Gay’ Lawsuit: Teachers Can Talk About Gender And Sexual Orientation Outside Instruction

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F lorida clarified the controversial Parental Rights in Education Act—dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay” law—allows teachers and students to discuss gender and sexual orientation so long as it’s not in official instruction,   multiple   outlets   reported, in a settlement between the state and civil rights advocates over the law.


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The settlement requires the Florida Board of Education to send instructions to all school districts clarifying details about the law that were previously vague, including that the law does not ban discussions about LGBTQ+ people or anti-bullying lessons, prevent Gay-Straight Alliance clubs or apply to library books that aren’t used in classroom instruction, the Associated Press   reported .




Both the state and the advocates are calling the settlement a win: The settlement “restores the ability of students, teachers, and others in Florida schools to speak and write freely about sexual orientation and gender identity in class participation and schoolwork,” the office of lead counsel Roberta Kaplan—who represented the law’s opponents—said in a statement to Forbes.



Meanwhile, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ general counsel Ryan Newman said in a   statement   the settlement “ensures that the law will remain in effect” and that the state was “victorious,” adding “Florida’s classrooms will remain a safe place under the Parental Rights in Education Act.”



Kaplan—who was representing a number of parents, students, teachers and advocacy groups—said the settlement provided “much-needed clarity” and “represents a major victory for the many thousands of LGBTQ+ students, teachers, parents, and their allies throughout Florida.




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Kavika
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1  seeder  Kavika     one month ago

Looks like part of anti woke got broke.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
1.1  Krishna  replied to  Kavika @1    one month ago
Looks like part of anti woke got broke.

A lot of DeSanctimonious' anti-woke stuff is getting broke.

A veritable mountain of reversals!

(Perhaps we should call his regime " Wokeback Mountain "?)

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Kavika @1    one month ago

Looks like part of anti woke got broke.

Old motto = 

"Florida is where woke goes to die," Gov. Ron DeSantis.

New motto =

"Florida is where woke goes to die but instead launches law suits and beats the crap out of an authoritarian state government."

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2  Sean Treacy    one month ago

The agreement  simply restates what  the law already said.  Nothing has changed. 

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @2    one month ago
The agreement  simply restates what  the law already said

Actually, it clarified the law something that has been asked for for a couple of years in Florida which allows the schools to actually teach. 

Here is another that has been changed. 

FL Legislature passes one per month limit on ‘frivolous’ book challenges

https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/03/05/fl-senate-passes-one-per-month-limit-on-book-challenges/#:~:text=By%3A%20Jackie%20Llanos%20%2D%20March%205%2C%202024%207%3A12%20pm&text=The%20Florida%20Senate%20approved%20a,which%20they%20placed%20an%20objection.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Kavika @2.1    one month ago
lly, it clarified the law

Yes. I suppose the ignorant  who think the law banned the saying of the word Gay in Florida, it "clarified" it. For those who didn't get bamboozled by left wing media gaslighting them, the "settlement" simply restates what everyone else has known. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Kavika @2.1    one month ago
FL Legislature passes one per month limit on ‘frivolous’ book challenges

Yes, that what responsible government does. They tweak legislation to make it more efficient. You are lucky to live in a state with such a responsive legislature. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.3  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    one month ago
Yes. I suppose the ignorant  who think the law banned the saying of the word Gay in Florida, it "clarified" it. For those who didn't get bamboozled by left wing media gaslighting them, the "settlement" simply restates what everyone else has known. 

There were certainly a lot of teachers, principals, administrators, lawyers, parents, and politicians that are ignorant even some who helped write and support the bill didn't understand it and needed clarification. Not surprising since it is a red state it should have been written in crayon. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.4  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.2    one month ago
Yes, that what responsible government does. They tweak legislation to make it more efficient. You are lucky to live in a state with such a responsive legislature. 

One would think on something that simple (as noted by republican politicians) that it wouldn't take them a few years to figure out that it's created a mess in all the Florida school districts. One guy filed close to 500 challenges to books. He was on a roll and just getting started, thank goodness that this ''twek'' hopefully got him under control.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    one month ago
Nothing has changed. 

What are you trying to say...could it possibly be:

Le plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

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Sean Treacy
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2.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Krishna @2.2    one month ago
hat are you trying to say...could it possibly be:

No.  [deleted]

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.2.2  Thomas  replied to  Krishna @2.2    one month ago

Rush - Circumstances

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3  Trout Giggles    one month ago
“Florida’s classrooms will remain a safe place under the Parental Rights in Education Act.”

Safe places? Didn't conservatives used to mock things such as "safe spaces"?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @3    one month ago
Safe places? Didn't conservatives used to mock things such as "safe spaces"?

They sure did, now the whiners have their own ''safe space''.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @3.1    one month ago

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Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    one month ago

Why are they (public schools) teaching about sexual orientation and gender in the lower grades anyway?  

Is this the new normal?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @4    one month ago
Why are they (public schools) teaching about sexual orientation and gender in the lower grades anyway?   Is this the new normal?  

Why, kindergarteners through eighth grade need to know they can change their gender at any time they wish.

Yes, this will become the new normal.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    one month ago
Why, kindergarteners through eighth grade need to know they can change their gender at any time they wish.

Link?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @4.1.1    one month ago

OIP.RrNHYf9hDT4NNdC1stqgpwHaGL?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    one month ago
kindergarteners through eighth grade

That’s a pretty broad brush you’re painting with. Do you really consider eight grade to be part of the “lower grades?” Are you aware that most schools have been teaching basic sex education to 5th and 6th graders for decades?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.3    one month ago
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Tacos!
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4.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.4    one month ago
Not really which is precisely why I never claimed or even mentioned a single word about "lower grades".

You quoted and responded to a comment using that phrasing. That’s why I’m asking you about it. If there is no connection, why did you bring up the eighth grade?

Yes, why are you asking?

Because the complaints treat sex education in the schools as inappropriate - in your case, apparently all the way up to the eighth grade. Would you please like to clarify what you think is appropriate instruction for which age group?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.5    one month ago
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Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    one month ago

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Tacos!
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4.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.6    one month ago
Could have been 3, 4, 5, 6  or 7 or 12. WTF difference does it make?

You don’t see a difference between 3rd grade and 12th grade?

I'll not waste time trying to defend things I didn't say.

I didn’t ask you to defend anything. I asked you to clarify what you meant. You started talking about 8th grade, but you won’t say why. Perhaps you can’t? Were you just talking out of your ass to promote irrational hysteria? Or do you actually have something of substance to contribute?

Come back when you choose to deal with what I said--not what you "think" I meant or said.

Again, I have only been dealing with what you said. I didn’t say anything about what I thought you meant. I asked you to explain yourself. You’re the one who doesn’t want to deal with what you said. You’re putting a lot of time and effort into avoiding simple plain speaking. But perhaps that’s not why you’re here.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.8    one month ago
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Tacos!
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4.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.9    one month ago
please don't ask more useless questions

You mean don’t hold you accountable for the nonsense you’ve written. Noted.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.2  Tacos!  replied to  Greg Jones @4    one month ago
Why are they (public schools) teaching about sexual orientation and gender in the lower grades anyway?

Are they, though?

 
 
 
evilone
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4.2.1  evilone  replied to  Tacos! @4.2    one month ago
Are they, though?

I'm pretty sure they they have lessons somewhere that reference (sexual orientation) moms & dads and lessons that also reference (gender) boys and girls. Other than that I'm thinking this is less fear than fear mongering by the populists. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  evilone @4.2.1    one month ago
fear mongering by the populists. 

It’s exactly this. It’s a political strategy to terrify the populace with invented bullshit, so their political leaders can “save” them from the boogeyman.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @4.2.2    one month ago

a political strategy to terrify the populace with invented bullshit

Right, that’s exactly what  the dishonest progressives and their media allies did by falsely labeling  the law the don’t “don’t say gay" law and creating a fake panic  over nothing, as the settlement demonstrates.  Sad so many fell for it.  Hopefully after reading about this they’ll realize how grossly they were manipulated and stop believing progressive slogans and read the source material for themselves.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.3    one month ago

800

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.2.5  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.3    one month ago

LMAO, yes and that is why the state was sued to help them explain their own law which they have avoided doing until now.

Now DeSantis is blaming everyone else for his mess and looking to pass another law that will make it a bigger mess. I posted an article today on it, Sean. Just so you can deny what a mess we have in Florida.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.3  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @4    one month ago

Yes. Public school is where education is commonly shared. . . and sexuality is part of the human condition. And, there is nothing wrong with being homosexual anyway. . .for the homosexuals, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals among us. . . need to have their issues and situations dealt with in this setting too. Just like the heterosexual kids who get affirmed inside school by subtle and more obvious considerations. 

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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5  mocowgirl    one month ago

Unless the teacher is certified to teach sex ed on a scientific basis, then what are they discussing with kids other than their personal biases?

England is revising their policy to allow children under the age of 18 to be given puberty blockers without it being a last resort instead of routine.

As usual, the US medical system seems to be more concerned about creating more lifelong customers for their drugs and surgeries.

U.K. National Health Service to Stop Prescribing Puberty Blockers to Kids (msn.com)

The National Health Services announced Tuesday that U.K. gender clinics will no longer prescribe   puberty blockers   to children.

Puberty blockers will now only be available to minors who are participating in clinical research trials. The ruling follows a public consultation of the issue and a 2020 NHS England-sanctioned independent review of gender transition surgeries and hormone therapy for minors.

“Ending the routine prescription of puberty blockers will help ensure that care is based on evidence, expert clinical opinion and is in the best interests of the child,” Health Minister Maria Caulfield said in a statement to  The Independent .

Gender-transition advocates claim puberty-blockers merely “pause” the onset of bodily changes such as breast development in girls or facial hair in boys, leaving no lasting effects. However, some research suggests that the “pause” leaves children permanently altered as their bodies fail to develop adequate bone density and other secondary characteristics associated with puberty.

In 2020, England’s High Court   ruled   that young teenagers likely do not have the maturity to consent to receiving puberty blockers.

“It is highly unlikely that a child aged 13 or under would be competent to give consent to the administration of puberty blockers,” the court said. “It is doubtful that a child aged 14 or 15 could understand and weigh the long-term risks and consequences of the administration of puberty blockers.”

The court acknowledged that these invasive interventions, widely recommended to gender-dysphoric youth in America’s medical industry, are experimental and could yield serious long-term damage.

“We recognise that clinicians may well regard these as cases where the authorisation of the court should be sought prior to commencing the clinical treatment,” the court said.

For the last few years, the NHS has been ahead of the curve in voicing the potential drawbacks of the gender-affirming model. In 2022, the NHS pitched plans for a new clinical approach that for younger children would “reflect evidence that in most cases gender incongruence does not persist into adolescence,” according to the   Telegraph .

Doctors, the institution said, should be mindful that gender dysphoria in youth might be a “transient phase”.

When a prepubescent child has already socially transitioned, “the clinical approach has to be mindful of the risks of an inappropriate gender transition and the difficulties that the child may experience in returning to the original gender role upon entering puberty if the gender incongruence does not persist,” it added.

Meanwhile, the U.S. has barreled toward transitioning kids without question while rejecting more cautious strategies such as counseling or watchful waiting.
 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6  seeder  Kavika     one month ago

Our anti-woke governor and legislature is agaist every transgender, although our judical system seems to understand the situation/constitution much better than DeSantis and the Three-some of the Republican party. 

June 21 (Reuters) -  A U.S. judge on Wednesday struck down a Florida rule and a statute that banned state Medicaid payments for transgender healthcare , marking the second defeat in two weeks for anti-transgender legislation in the state.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-court-strikes-down-florida-transgender-health-rule-2023-06-22/#:~:text=June%2021%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20A,transgender%20legislation%20in%20the%20state.
 
 

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