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State of play

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  one month ago  •  66 comments

State of play
New Hampshire may be the first state in the nation, but it is not the last

Donald Trump has just been projected the winner of the New Hampshire Primary. This is another historic win for Trump as he becomes the first non-incumbent to win both the Iowa Caucus and the New Hampshire Primary. He is also the first candidate in history to win the New Hampshire Primary 3 times. The Trump campaign was very disciplined in talking about the border which is the number 1 issue now for Republicans.

How close Haley will end up is yet to be determined. Whether she risks losing in her home state is yet to be determined. Trump has been gracious to those who have dropped out. If she fights on South Carolina may be the "never Trumpers" last stand. She is making what appears to be a concession speech at the moment, thanking Gov Sununu and her supporters in the state of NH. Apparently, she is going to fight on. God bless her.

On the democratic side, the dems used tremendous recourses in not only supporting Haley, but also getting Biden to beat the two unknowns on the democrat side as a write-in candidate.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Live and direct from Fox News HQ in the tiny town of Bedford NH.

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Gazoo
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2  Gazoo    one month ago

How close Haley will end up is yet to be determined.”

I wonder how many of her votes were cast by dems?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gazoo @2    one month ago

Good question.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2  devangelical  replied to  Gazoo @2    one month ago

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Gazoo
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2.2.1  Gazoo  replied to  devangelical @2.2    one month ago

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TᵢG
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3  TᵢG    one month ago

Do you prefer Trump as the nominee rather than Haley?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3    one month ago

That is a tough question. She would have an easier time in a general election.

I absolutely prefer either Trump or DeSantis as a President.

The problem for Trump is they'll do EVERYTHING to beat him.

The problem DeSantis had was best expressed by a woman. (and a woman would know). She said DeSantis pursued those whose hearts belonged to another.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    one month ago

The problem DeSantis had was best expressed by a woman. (and a woman would know). She said DeSantis pursued those whose hearts belonged to another.

What a condescendingly sexist comment.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thomas @3.1.1    one month ago
What a condescendingly sexist comment.

I’m no DeSantis fan, but why do you find the woman’s comment ‘condescendingly sexist’?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    one month ago
The problem for Trump is they'll do EVERYTHING to beat him

You mean like they did after the 2016 election?  Like fabricate hoaxes like the Democrat Big Lie and when that fails, investigation after investigation all to end the same way their Big Lie did and obstruct EVERYTHING he tried to do (again only to fail most of the time).

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @3.1.1    one month ago

Really?  Take a good look at Post 5.1

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.3    one month ago
You mean like they did after the 2016 election? 

Like YES.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.6  Thomas  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.2    one month ago

You and 8 others like you wonder that, don't you?

In answer, I can say that I don't find the woman's comment sexist, I find the whole comment before the woman's comment to be that way. 

I will leave you to figure it out. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    one month ago

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Ronin2
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4.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one month ago

Brandonites are much, much, worse. 

Take care of your own party for a change.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.1.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1    one month ago

thought he WAS the chaperone…

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

'We are just getting started'

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It's on to South Carolina

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    one month ago

nimrod-duh needs a new body language/speaking coach, or a set of wings strapped on her for all the inane arm waving she's doing.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    one month ago

I don't think Democrats can vote there, and the establishment is locked in for Trump. It will not be close. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    one month ago

Trump is on stage right now LYING , claiming that he won  New Hampshire in both the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections. 

He lost them both. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
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6.1  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

OMG!!! Those are the kind of lies that can have a devastating impact on our country. Why can’t he keep it to harmless little lies like, “our southern border is secure.”?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @6.1    one month ago

The defense of Trump continues.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @6.1    one month ago

Why does he have to lie about it at all ? 

Oh I know - because he is a mentally ill malignant narcissist.  We are in for 10 months of solid every day denial of this, and worse. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.1    one month ago

It is pathetic. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.1    one month ago

Your silence on Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine continues.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.1.5  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    one month ago

Same reason Brandon lies about every damn thing. Yet leftists continue to ignore it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.4    one month ago

My disregard of the emotional, uber-partisan nonsense you pen continues.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.5    one month ago
Yet leftists continue to ignore it.

They have to.  If they acknowledge it then they will have to be held accountable.  We know that will never happen.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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6.1.8  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.1    one month ago

You seriously think that lying about winning a state in a presidential election is as bad for the country as lying about our open border? Again, your actions speak louder than your words.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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6.1.9  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    one month ago

Why does he have to lie about it at all ?”

why does biden have to lie about something as serious as our southern border? And why are you ok with biden lying? Never have heard you answer that one even though you’ve been asked multiple times.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @6.1.8    one month ago
You seriously think that lying about winning a state in a presidential election is as bad for the country as lying about our open border?

No, I do not think that.

Is that all you understand about what Trump did?   You think all he did was lie about winning a state?

Good grief man, there is a wealth of information available at your fingertips.   Reality here is much more involved than a mere lie about a state.

Do you think his 91 charges are all because he merely lied ... about a state??

 
 
 
Gazoo
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6.1.11  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.10    one month ago

We disagree, big surprise there, huh? And we really should just leave it there because we all know the direction this will go. deleted

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @6.1.11    one month ago
We disagree, big surprise there, huh?

This is not a mere difference in opinion.   This is cold hard fact.   You are dead wrong.   Trump's problems are a result of far more than merely lying about election results in a state.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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6.1.13  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.12    one month ago

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JohnRussell
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6.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @6.1.13    one month ago

There is no reason to accept opposing opinions about Trump. He is a traitor who refused to lift a finger to try and end the riot, and told the rioters that he loved them. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
6.1.15  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.14    one month ago

Was that after or before he told them to protest peacefully?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @6.1.15    one month ago

Here again, you ignore 99% of what actually happened and focus on the very few times Trump mentioned 'peaceful'.  

Trump's Tweet About Pence Seen as Critical Moment During Riot

White House officials described a tweet from then-President Donald Trump as a breaking point that prompted some to decide to resign.

Mr. Trump tweeted at 2:24 p.m., after the riot was under way: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done.” That was a reference to the vice president’s refusal to block the certification of President Biden’s election win in the joint session of Congress that day.

“The tweet looked to me like the opposite of what we really needed at that moment, which was a deescalation ,” Matt Pottinger, Mr. Trump’s former deputy national security adviser, told the committee.

Sarah Matthews, a former White House deputy press secretary, argued that the tweet gave Mr. Trump’s supporters permission to continue their assault on the U.S. Capitol . “It was essentially him giving the green light to these people,” she said, adding that Mr. Trump’s supporters “truly latch on to every tweet and every word he says.”

Both Mr. Pottinger and Ms. Mathews said the tweet prompted them to decide to step down.

The committee played testimony of other officials' reactions to the tweet. “That's a terrible tweet. And I disagreed with the sentiment, and I thought it was wrong,” said former White House counsel Pat Cipollone.

Former press aide Judd Deere said the tweet was “extremely unhelpful. … The scenes at the U.S. Capitol were only getting worse at that point. This was not going to help that.”

Sure, Gazoo, Trump's intention was for his supporters to peacefully protest at the Capitol.   So while they are engaging in breaking and entering the Capitol building, disrupting an official proceeding of Congress that was part of the traditional peaceful transfer of power, Trump is inciting his supporters and endangering his own V.P.

Why?   Because Pence refused to go along with Trump's defiance of the CotUS and attempt to steal the presidential election.

But ... oh ... he said peaceful once or twice. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1.17  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.14    one month ago

Really??

There is no reason to accept opposing opinions about Biden. He is a traitor that has refused to lift a finger to try and end the invasion on the southern border.

512

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.18  TᵢG  replied to  GregTx @6.1.17    one month ago
He is a traitor ...

Oh so you are playing this stupid game too, eh?   Biden is a 'traitor' because of bad policy / incompetence?

Yet another attempt to normalize the outrageous acts of Trump.

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1.19  GregTx  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.18    one month ago

Is it bad policy or incompetence in your opinion? Perhaps he's just not fit for office....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.20  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.16    one month ago

They dont want to know the truth Tig. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
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6.1.21  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.16    one month ago

I’m well aware of what the clown show said. The same clown show that deleted over 100 documents right before the gop took control of the house.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @6.1.21    one month ago
I’m well aware of what the clown show said.

That statement alone illustrates that what you "know" is most likely a result of confirmation bias and conspiracy theory.

It is all some big conspiracy, right?   Trump did nothing wrong.   It is all one big deep fake!     128

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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6.1.23  Igknorantzruls  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.14    one month ago

“rioters” ??? 

do you mean the hostages, Trump says he’ll be freeing ??

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
6.1.24  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.22    one month ago

Why not address the “over 100 documents deleted”? What was that about? No red flags there? Look into clay higgins, look into the size of the capitol police force and how many were on duty when the, lol “insurrection” took place. or not and continue to believe the extremely partisan clowns that comprise the kangaroo court no questions asked.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.1.25  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @6.1.24    one month ago

When we find out what was deleted and thus have an idea what we are talking about, I will opine.

It looks suspicious, but that is where the evidence ends.

Keep your imagination in check and instead objectively follow the evidence as it emerges.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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6.1.26  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.25    4 weeks ago

When we find out what was deleted and thus have an idea what we are talking about, I will opine”

Fair enough. 

again, what about the number of capitol police officers on duty that day versus the number of officer on the force?

again, clay higgins is looking into some interesting info regarding that day.

why did dems find it necessary to hire a hollywood producer to create a polished presentation? 

why did dems get ultra pissed off when unapproved footage of that day get released?

again, there is no way in hell our democracy almost fell that day. 

all these, plus the dems actions over the last 7-8 years leaves them no credibility, in my opinion. But you are free to disagree.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.27  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @6.1.26    4 weeks ago

You can seed all sorts of conspiracy theories, but that seems to be an intentional stepping around the 800lb gorilla in the room.

Seems to me, someone genuinely interested in the truth would focus on the allegations, the evidence, and the stated laws that were allegedly broken.    The formal indictment is right here:    

The question should be:  will Trump likely be found guilty as charged ... and why / why not?

Chasing tangents deflects from question number one.

Your questions are certainly fair to explore, but they have nothing to do with Trump's alleged guilt per the indictment.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
6.1.28  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.27    4 weeks ago

Dems deleting over 100 documents related to 1-6 days before the gop took control is not a conspiracy theory

dems hiring a hollywood producer to create a polished presentation is not a conspiracy theory.

the number of on duty officers compared to the total number of capitol hill officers is not a conspiracy theory.

dems getting very pissed off when footage was released showing capitol hill police officers basically giving tours of the capitol is not a conspiracy theory.

the clay higgins thing may very well be a conspiracy theory, time will tell.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.29  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @6.1.28    4 weeks ago
Dems deleting over 100 documents related to 1-6 days before the gop took control is not a conspiracy theory

Of course it is.   You are implying sans any evidence that these documents were deleted because they countered the claims of the committee (showing the committee to be wrong).    That is the very essence of conspiratorial thinking.   

dems hiring a hollywood producer to create a polished presentation is not a conspiracy theory.

Of course it is.   You are implying that the producer was hired by bad agents to put forth a false impression.   After all, if the producer just polished up the truth you would not be mentioning it.   You are talking conspiracy yet again.

the number of on duty officers compared to the total number of capitol hill officers is not a conspiracy theory.

Of course it is.   You are trying to argue that bad agents wanted the Capitol to be successfully breached and the proceeding disrupted.   This is yet again conspiratorial.

dems getting very pissed off when footage was released showing capitol hill police officers basically giving tours of the capitol is not a conspiracy theory.

Of course it is.   Again, you are implying that the insurrection was not really all that bad ... mostly guided tours and that there are bad agents out there trying to spin a peaceful tour into a breaking and entering of the Capitol.   Flat out conspiracy theory.


Not sure what special meaning you hold for the term "conspiracy theory" but conventionally it is held to mean this:

conspiracy theory a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators.  also   a theory asserting that a secret of great importance is being kept from the public

Conspiracy theory , an attempt to explain harmful or tragic events as the result of the actions of a small powerful group. Such explanations reject the accepted narrative surrounding those events; indeed, the official version may be seen as further proof of the  conspiracy .

conspiracy theory  is an explanation for an event or situation that asserts the existence of a  conspiracy  by powerful and sinister groups, often political in motivation, [3] [4] [5]  when other explanations are more probable. [3] [6] [7]  

 
 
 
Freewill
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6.2  Freewill  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago
Trump is on stage right now LYING , claiming that he won  New Hampshire in both the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections.  He lost them both.

Correct, if he was talking about the general elections then yes, he lost New Hampshire each time.  If he was talking about the primaries, he did win New Hampshire in both 2016 & 2020.  That is the problem with Trump, he makes a habit of running statements together part of which might be true, but other parts very false.

From CNN fact check :

Trump claimed that he has always won the state – not only in Republican primaries but in general elections.

“You know we won New Hampshire three times now three. We win it every time. We win the primary. We win the generals. We won it and it’s a very, very special place to me.” Trump said.

Facts First:   Trump’s claim is false. He  lost New Hampshire  to Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton in the 2016 general election  and to Democratic candidate Joe Biden in the 2020 general election , though he did win the Republican primary each time.
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

Obviously, he was pointing out that he was the only man to win the NH Primary 3 times. The sad thing, other than those who try and distort everything he says, is that he can be crude at times and during that victory speech he was unnecessarily rude & crude.   

Standing with him on stage were some of those who once campaigned against him and had recently endorsed him. When the often-long-winded Vivek Ramaswamy approached the microphone to say a few words, Trump said to him "try to do it in a minute or less." After Senator Tim Scott added a few words, he said "Haley appointed you and you still endorsed me. You must really hate her." Scott seemed to laugh it off and said, "but I love you!" He must have been embarrassed. To top it off, Trump told the room full of NH supporters that the reason that democrats and independents got to vote in the GOP Primary there was because "frankly, you have a Governor that doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

It was in many ways the opposite of the unifying speech he gave in Iowa.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.3    one month ago

Trump said, last night , that he won both the primaries and the general in New Hampshire , shall we go to the video tape? 

Now he may have meant that NH was stolen from him in the two general elections, because after all, in his mind every thing he is not credited with winning was stolen from him. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.3.1    one month ago

The most important thing he said last night was what would happen if Haley won the nomination. He said an investigation of her would immediately begin. That was an understatement. She would be viciously attacked and anything that could be done to undermine her would be. I'm proud to say that is what I will always fight against.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.3.2    one month ago

As usual you grossly underestimate Trump's involvement in such "threats".  Trump did imply that Haley would be investigated by "them", presumably meaning the deep state, but he also at the same time claimed to "know" things about Haley misconduct that would trigger such investigations.  The implication being that he will spill the beans on Haley if he has to. 

Defending Trump on a constant basis will not end well for people who insist on doing so. At the absolute least they will end up very disappointed. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.3.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.3.3    one month ago
but he also at the same time claimed to "know" things about Haley misconduct

He may be right, as usual.


 The implication being that he will spill the beans on Haley if he has to. 

I didn't see any such implication. The real threat for Haley is losing her home state.


Defending Trump on a constant basis will not end well for people who insist on doing so. 

Time will tell who will come to bad ends. Dictatorships do get overthrown.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6.4  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago
claiming that he won  New Hampshire in both the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections.  He lost them both. 

512

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  JohnRussell    one month ago

What else can be expected from a pathological liar ?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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7.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @7    one month ago

Why don't you ask Brandon? You are much tighter with him than we are.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1    one month ago

Trump lost in 2020 not because it was stolen from him , but because so many otherwise GOP voters left the line at the top of the ticket unchecked.  Wonder why ?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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7.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.1    one month ago

Of course you have a source for this claim......................

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
7.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @7.1    one month ago
Brandon

Brandon who? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.3    one month ago
Brandon who? 

If you don't know by now you probably never will.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @7    one month ago
What else can be expected from a pathological liar ?

Which politician are you referring to?  Or is it only one we are supposed to hyper-focus on?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8  JohnRussell    one month ago

Haley cant get enough Republican votes to win the nomination, that is clear, at least for the moment, right now she is getting about 25% of the declared Republican voters in NH. That is not going to cut it in any other states , she is on track to lose every state. 

But Trump may not be in a position to get enough Republican votes to win the general. If any significant number of GOP voters stay home in Nov in protest of who their nominee is, Trump is up against it .

PS -  a new poll shows Biden up 7 points in the swing state of Pennsylvania. 

A new, too-early-to-mean-much poll of Pennsylvania voters shows incumbent President Joe Biden holding a 7.5 percentage point lead over former President Donald J. Trump. New Pennsylvania poll shows Biden leading Trump in head-to-head - pennlive.com
 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Principal
8.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @8    one month ago
Haley cant get enough Republican votes to win the nomination, that is clear, at least for the moment, right now she is getting about 25% of the declared Republican voters in NH. That is not going to cut it in any other states , she is on track to lose every state. 

So, why do we bother with any fucking elections?  Just let the unbiased liberal press tell us who will sit in the butt embossed leather chair.  Of course, the political grifters would miss out on a lot of clickbait so we have to go through the motions.  But they can put anyone in the White House who will bail them out.

 
 

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