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Playing for Keeps

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  one month ago  •  410 comments

Playing for Keeps
If Trump wins, he would make history: In modern presidential campaign history – since the Iowa caucuses began serving as the official kickoff, followed by the New Hampshire primary — no non-incumbent Republican has won both states.

Link to Quote: New Hampshire primary live: Nikki Haley says second Republican vote is ‘not a coronation’ for Donald Trump (msn.com)

Despite 5,000 democrats switching over to vote for Nikki Haley and Independents being the largest voting bloc in the Granite state, a tracking poll released this morning shows that Donald Trump has actually widened his lead over Nikki Haley. The  poll  by NBC News, the Boston Globe and Suffolk University shows Trump at 60% among likely Republican primary voters, and Haley at 38%. This may be last call for Haley who has staked everything on winning the NH primary. She finally has the head-to-head matchup she wanted. Now she needs a win.

Some are now convinced that the democrat's strategy of lawfare against Trump has backfired. In the above-mentioned poll, 50% of college graduates said they back Trump, compared to 45% for Haley. That is a deadly statistic that speaks volumes about how people view the political prosecution of Trump. There can be no question that the indictments have unleashed something across the nation. Btw Trump went from court to NH yesterday, as he seemingly thrives on the busy schedule.

On the democrat slate, Biden is not on the ballot since he decided to make South Carolina first in the nation by presidential fiat. There is a risky operation underway to have him win via a write in campaign. The Boston bigot Michelle Wu is one of the main advocates for the write in campaign and she was in NH yesterday.


In other news:

The SCOTUS issued a temporary restraining order allowing the federal government to remove razor wire that Texas authorities placed on the Texas border with Mexico. It was a 5-4 decision with Justice Roberts & Justice Barrett voting with the 3 hard core leftist justices.

An  illegal Honduran immigrant  charged with rape, kidnapping and assault was released onto the streets in Virginia, despite a request by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to hold him until it could take him into custody to deport him. He was free for nearly two months until ICE was able to arrest him.

ICE announced in a recent press release that it arrested the unnamed Honduran national, charged on Oct. 12, nearly two months after he had been freed from an adult detention center in Fairfax County, Virginia.

The illegal immigrant had entered the U.S. and was arrested by  Border Patrol  in Texas in June 2021 and released into the country with a Notice to Appear.

ICE agents recapture illegal immigrant charged with rape who was released onto streets in Virginia | Fox News


EXCLUSIVE : The former House Select Committee on Jan. 6 deleted more than 100 encrypted files from its probe just days before Republicans took over the majority in the House of Representatives, Fox News Digital has learned.

House Jan. 6 Committee deleted more than 100 encrypted files days before GOP took majority: sources (yahoo.com)


M ARIETTA, Ga. (AP) — A judge on Monday ordered court records to be made public in the divorce involving a special prosecutor  hired in the election case against Donald Trump and others  and accused of having an affair with Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis.

Judge orders the unsealing of divorce case of Trump special prosecutor in Georgia accused of affair (msn.com)


The Pentagon said Monday's strikes hit eight targets, including an underground storage site and Houthi missile and surveillance capability.

US and UK launch fresh strikes on Houthis in Yemen (bbc.com)


Russia is now using North Korea's newest missiles in its war with Ukraine

At a meeting in Brussels, European foreign ministers pressed their Israeli counterpart to agree to the creation of a Palestinian State.

Israel announced that its military had encircled Khan Younis, the main city in southern Gaza.


And the Pentagon announced the deaths of two SEALs, Chris Chambers and Nathan Ingram. They were killed in action in the Gulf of Aden during a ship boarding operation on January 11th.

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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Good Morning

Yesterday Donald Trump got to sample the Red Arrow Diner's "Trump Tower" sandwich.

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It is obviously served "well done."

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It was some well-deserved comfort food after a busy day.

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So, if you're up in NH, near Manchester.......

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

The former 'president' probably offered to buy everyone lunch and then stiffed them, as per usual.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    one month ago

I wonder how NH residents feel about Biden dissing them?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago
Yesterday Donald Trump got to sample the Red Arrow Diner's "Trump Tower" sandwich.

2 slices of white bread and a key to the gas station restroom next door...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2  Sparty On    one month ago

For Dems, the reaping of what they have sown, has begun.

And it ain’t gonna be pretty.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @2    one month ago

I doubt they know the scale of it.  Obama is worried.

This time they might need 90 million mail-in-votes.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    one month ago

The triggering will be even more epic.   If such a thing is possible after the infamous Triggering Crisis of 2016 ……

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

"America First Legal has sued the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, the censorship arm of DHS. New docs show that the deep state knew the risks of mass mail voting in 2020 but censored these criticisms as “disinformation.”


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  America First Legal on X: "/1LITIGATION BOMBSHELL — we sued the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, the censorship arm of DHS. Our lawsuit unearthed new docs showing that the deep state knew the risks of mass mail voting in 2020 but censored these criticisms as “disinformation.” THREAD: https://t.co/iJ8SNxil82" / X (twitter.com)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Adam Schiff gets called out during the CA Senate debate by Republican Steve Garvey for lying about Russian collusion:

Garvey: "I believe you were censured for lying."

Schiff: "I was censured for standing up to a corrupt president"

Garvey: "Sir, you lied to 300 million people…

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    one month ago

Too bad Garvey has no chance.  He’d be a massive improvement.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    one month ago

Yep, Shifty Shiffzell in the Senate?    Not good, not good at all.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    one month ago

Alas, the migrants only look for the (D) after the name.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.1    one month ago

He is going to hypnotize us all!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  author  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Doocy to WH press sec:

"They released an illegal immigrant from Honduras who is charged with sexually assaulting a Virginia minor and production of sexual abuse material .... You guys have no idea what kind of people are coming into this country."

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Ronin2
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5.1  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    one month ago

I thought Democrats were all for the power of the federal government over states. 

It seems when it comes to criminal illegal immigrants they suddenly turn into Sanctuary City/State rights advocates.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1    one month ago

You are correct. In the case of illegal migrants, the Constitution is simply in the way.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    one month ago

Illegal Alien Charged With Raping Disabled Person Released From Jail


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CE released a 31-year-old Haitian national, Pierre Lucard Emile, back into the community after he was arrested for alleged sexual crimes, despite an immigration detainer being filed.

The suspect had illegally entered the U.S. and was issued a notice to appear before an immigration judge.

Just an unbelievable refusal to govern competently 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2    one month ago

Imagine raping a disabled person?   And he was released via Dorchester District Court. I'm sure Boston's black community was thrilled by that decision. There is nothing quite like having a monster roaming the hood.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    one month ago
Scary Larry @aintscarylarry
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What even is this shit.
“Which is incapable of salving even the swollest smallest problem… the simplest of problems we can no longer solve… we can’t do anything. We are an instantive… and a powerful death penalty. We will put this on…”   #DementiaDon
Donald Trump , NH, Jan 22, 2024
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even allowing that this is just a clip from a presumably larger context,   this shit is disturbing.
The nation needs to begin to discuss Trumps mental erosion. 
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

The nation needs to begin to discuss Trumps mental erosio

is that a joke? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    one month ago

what was he saying in that clip? it is incomprehensible. 

You had your fun with biden, now lets get serious about trump

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    one month ago

the other day Trump named nikki haley, four times, as having been in charge of Jan 6 security at the capitol. 

a momentary slip of the tongue would be vaguely excusable, but with it people would catch their mistake instantly. He is in a trance of his own confused doing . he should retire to south florida and spend all his free time cheating at golf. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    one month ago

Fun with Brandon?

There is nothing fun having a career criminal traitor who is on a steady mental decline in charge of the country.

As for Trump, he is the lesser of two evils.

Your side has had their fun wrecking the country. Now it is time for the rest of us to get serious about fixing your mess.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.3    one month ago

Trump is mentally ill. This has been known for years, but disregarded . Now the spillage is coming faster and faster. 

MAGA was happy to only put the spotlight on Biden but those days are now over. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    one month ago
The former president posted more than 40 times in the span of less than an hour Monday morning, attacking Carroll

using snippets of interviews Carroll has done with the media, purported Facebook posts from Carroll and original posts from Trump attacking Carroll’s claims about him.

Trump Attacks E. Jean Carroll In More Than 40 Posts On Truth Social (forbes.com)

and you think this person is well enough to lead our country ? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.1.6  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.4    one month ago
Trump is mentally ill. This has been known for years, but disregarded. Now the spillage is coming faster and faster. 

After your side put Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine in charge of the country you have no room to talk. If he was just mentally ill it would be one thing; but he has the most corrupt and incompetent administration in the history of the US. Garland, Mayorkas, Blinken and Wray should all be impeached. 

MAGA was happy to only put the spotlight on Biden but those days are now over. 

Over? Did you suddenly wave a magic wand over Brandon and his dementia disappeared? Did his criminal family suddenly turn into saints as well? There is no magic spell to remove Brandon's treasonous acts- so you are SOOL there.

Brandon can't hide in his basement this time around. He has a record that can and will be used against him. It will be fun seeing all of the commercials of him getting lost on stage, shaking hands with the air, trying to find dead people in the audience, getting into and argument with a sand bag that he tripped over, falling on the stairs while going up to Air Force 1 on multiple occasions, and getting lost while giving speeches.

Your side put him in charge. No amount of "But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!! is going to save him this time.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.4    one month ago

Biden is seriously cognitively impaired.    This has been known for years, but completely disregarded by useful idiots on the left.    This includes a complicit mass media.

Bidenettes have nothing so they have to resort to deflection aimed at Trump and Trump supporters.

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Sad!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.7    one month ago

256

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.6    one month ago
The former president posted more than 40 times in the span of less than an hour Monday morning, attacking Carroll

This is not speculation or interpretation or fabrication (such as the phony "Biden shakes hands with no one " bs), this is reality

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
6.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.9    one month ago

There is no speculation with Brandon.

And no amount of "But Trruummmppppp!!!!!!" will save him.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.4    one month ago

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TᵢG
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6.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.6    one month ago
... he [ Biden ] has the most corrupt and incompetent administration in the history of the US. ...

Yeah, absurd levels of hyperbole do wonders to establish the credibility of an argument.

original

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.10    one month ago

Why do you keep saying  "but Trump" ?  

There's no "but" to this. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    one month ago

I could understand what the moron was saying but WTF was it talking about?

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
6.1.15  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.12    one month ago

You are entitled to your opinion; but the facts don't back you up.

Mayorkas wide open southern border with record setting amounts of illegal immigrants crossing every year- along with drugs, people on the terrorist watch list, gang members, sex trade traffickers, and guns (remember when the US used to export those?)

Wray and Garland- the corrupt duo that have no time to find far leftist terrorists that committed arson and vandalism at pro life clinics, even when the perps spray painted their names on the walls. But plenty of time to after Jan 6th rioters (some for just parading); and parents that have the audacity to care about their kid's education. Garland- who must not have read the Constitution when appointing Weiss as special prosecutor to Hunter and Brandon.

(a)  An individual named as Special Counsel shall be a lawyer with a reputation for integrity and impartial decisionmaking, and with appropriate experience to ensure both that the investigation will be conducted ably, expeditiously and thoroughly, and that investigative and prosecutorial decisions will be supported by an informed understanding of the criminal law and  Department of Justice  policies. The Special Counsel shall be selected from outside the United States Government. Special Counsels shall agree that their responsibilities as Special Counsel shall take first precedence in their professional lives, and that it may be necessary to devote their full time to the investigation, depending on its complexity and the stage of the investigation.

Is Weiss outside of the government? No. He is the Federal DA ass clown that allowed the most serious of the charges against Hunter statute of limitations to run out; and then tried to give Hunter a cherry plea deal that would allow him to walk after the IRS agents outed him during their Congressional testimony. The only reason Weiss was appointed so he could allow the DOJ to stone wall the Republican investigation into Brandon and his family. 

As for Blinken (along with everyone who signed his bogus letter)- should bar him from holding any position in government.

This week, Blinken was  implicated in a political coverup  that could well have made the difference in the 2020 election. According to the sworn testimony of former acting CIA Director Michael Morrell, Blinken – then a high-ranking Biden campaign official – was “the impetus” of the false claim that the   Hunter Biden   laptop story was really Russian disinformation. Morrell then organized dozens of ex-national security officials to sign the letter claiming that the Hunter laptop story had “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

Morrell further admitted that the Biden campaign “helped to strategize about the public release of the statement.”

Finally, he admitted that one of his goals was not just to warn about Russian influence but “to help then-Vice President Biden in the debate and to assist him in winning the election.”

Great gaggle of criminals and incompetents Brandon has assembled.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
6.1.16  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.13    one month ago

Trump will not save the cognitive career criminal traitor your side put in the White House.

Yet you keep bringing him up.

"But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!" the battle cry of leftists realizing Brandon can't win; and they have no way of replacing him on the ballot.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.14    one month ago

Who knows. 

I'm hoping that his toad Elise Stefanik gets on his bad side at some point so he can give her a nickname . I'm thinking   "Elsie Stepondick "

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.1.18  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.5    one month ago
"and you think this person is well enough to lead our country ?"

We know damn well that Biden is a traitor and unfit to lead our country.

Ronin is right, Trump is the lesser of two evils.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.19  Right Down the Center  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    one month ago

The dems must be scared like never before if they are going to try and make the mental capabilities of Trump an issue when their guy hasn't put together  a coherent statement in years.  You would think that is the last hill they would pick to die on but here they are.  In this case but Brandon..... is totally justified 

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Greg Jones
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6.1.20  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.12    one month ago
"Yeah, absurd levels of hyperbole do wonders to establish the credibility of an argument."

Prove him wrong

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.21  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.10    one month ago

F ormer President  Donald Trump  posted his biggest lead yet over President  Joe Biden  in a tracking poll meant to measure voters’ feelings about a rematch between the two in November.

According to Morning Consult’s 2024 tracking poll, Trump now leads Biden by 5 points (45%-40%), the largest margin of victory he’s had yet in the survey, which has been in effect since December 2022.

Trump Posts Biggest Lead Yet Over Biden in 2024 Tracking Poll (msn.com)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.22  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.19    one month ago

Trump cannot make a speech without stumbling all over common words.  If he's not impaired, what is his major malfunction ? 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.23  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.22    one month ago

You can just use the same excuses the left uses when anyone mentions Biden's dozen gaffs a day.  

I am shocked you would even compare the two with regards to mental capabilities.   It is like buying a ticket for the Titanic knowing it will sink.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.24  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.22    one month ago

he can't tell the difference between nikki haley and nancy pelosi, or obama and biden. he can't even keep his lies straight.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.25  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.20    one month ago
Prove him wrong

No Greg, that is not how claims work.   It is the claimer who bears the burden of proof.

Out of curiosity, were you persuaded by the content of that post?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.26  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.23    one month ago

Well it seems to me that the Ds will naturally counter the Rs claims of Biden being "brain dead" (your words, by the way) with actual evidence of Trump showing signs of mental deficiency.

Why does that surprise you?

In my view, neither Biden nor Trump should be PotUS.   They are both too old for that particular job.    The only possible solution right now is Nikki Haley.   The Ds will naturally oppose her since she is arguably a stronger threat than Trump.   So what gives with the Rs?   Why are the Rs not rallying around Nikki Haley instead of a demonstrable traitor who is likely to be a convicted felon prior to the election?

Talk about fucked-up thinking ... the current GOP has lost its collective mind.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.27  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.26    one month ago

There is no doubt that Biden has slowed down physically and seems stiff at times, like he is wary of moving his body much, but when he is seated and in a conversation he seems pretty normal to me . 

Trump is becoming increasingly verbally erratic, and he was no prize to begin with. 

I would trust the people around Biden to help him out for the benefit of the country more than I would trust the extremists Trump would surround himself with in a second term. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.28  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.15    one month ago
You are entitled to your opinion; but the facts don't back you up.

The facts behind my opinion are your posts.   I find no credibility in posts that illustrate extreme bias and partisan emotion with phrases like "Brandon the human fuck up machine" or "the most corrupt and incompetent administration in the history of the US".

You can post mountains of words but I will not spend a moment considering your opinion based on the absurd bias that is continually displayed.   If you want people like me to take you seriously, you need to tone down the hyperbole and make serious, marginally objective commentary.   

I do not expect that to happen, so you should not expect me to take any of your posts seriously.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.29  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @6.1.24    one month ago

Well when every other word out of his anus of a mouth is a lie, well . . . 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.1.30  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.27    one month ago

Two aging old men.    Agreed.    Let’s decide who is most coherent.    

A simple, unscripted one on one debate would do the trick.    Don’t you think?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.31  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.18    one month ago
We know damn well that Biden is a traitor and unfit to lead our country.

So in your opinion Trump is NOT a traitor and is fit to lead our nation?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.32  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.26    one month ago
Why does that surprise you?

I gave the dems more credit than they seem to deserve than picking a fight there is no way they could win with any rational non partisan person.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.33  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.27    one month ago
There is no doubt that Biden has slowed down physically and seems stiff at times, like he is wary of moving his body much, but when he is seated and in a conversation he seems pretty normal to me . 

The fact he seems to be normal to you is disturbing.

I personally prefer a President who has at least a shot at walking and chewing gum at the same time.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.34  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.30    one month ago

In 2020 Trump put on the most embarrassing , disgraceful , performance in presidential debate history, interrupting Biden dozens of times . 

Biden has no reason to debate that lunatic now, but if he wants to, fine. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.35  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.31    one month ago
So in your opinion Trump is NOT a traitor and is fit to lead our nation?

Do the words "lesser of two evils" convey to you that idea?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.36  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.35    one month ago

There are very few people in this world that Trump is the lesser of two evils of, and Biden is not one of them. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.37  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.36    one month ago

We will let the people decide. You may need a conviction or 90 million votes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.38  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.36    one month ago
There are very few people in this world that Trump is the lesser of two evils of, and Biden is not one of them. 

Everyone's got an opinion.............

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.39  Right Down the Center  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.30    one month ago

They could even have it in Joes basement if it would make him more comfortable.  Looks like 3 are planned, Joe probably has his team thinking up excuses why he can't attend.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.40  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.39    one month ago

It is only a matter of time before Barack tells them to put Joe back in the basement.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.41  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.34    one month ago
Biden has no reason to debate that lunatic now,

So there is no reason the American people should see the two candidates debate to help them decide who they want to vote for because Trump interrupts?  Have you ever seen a political debate where they don't interrupt each other?  Sounds more like keeping the "president"  away from unscripted face time with the American public.  You know, like never having a press briefing.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1.42  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.36    one month ago
are very few people in this world that Trump is the lesser of two evils of, and Biden is not one of them. 

About half the country feels Trump is the lesser of two evils. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.43  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.36    one month ago
There are very few people in this world that Trump is the lesser of two evils of, and Biden is not one of them. 

Does that include the people with buyers remorse after expecting a moderate and getting the brain dead that gets pushed around by the far left wing nuts?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.44  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.40    one month ago

That would be the smartest move they could make.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.45  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.41    one month ago

There really isn't any point now to "debates".

No one ever really answers what is asked, the mods have no control, and the networks who broadcast them should be able to charge the candidates for commercial airtime.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.46  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.45    one month ago

Agree.  Personally I rarely watch them but it seems millions do.  If they want them to help them  decide things about the candidate I have no issue with having them.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.1.47  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.25    one month ago

I agree with the opinion expressed in the comment.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.1.48  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.31    one month ago

In my opinion, yes. Your mileage may vary

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.49  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.17    one month ago

elise stuffindick...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.50  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.47    one month ago

Of course you do.   You are voting for Trump and would never even consider voting for Biden.   

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.51  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.35    one month ago
Do the words "lesser of two evils" convey to you that idea?

It is delusional to believe that Trump is the lesser of two evils when compared with Biden.  

I cannot think of any PotUS in our history who is more traitorous than Trump.   Which PotUS has so dramatically violated his oath of office?   Even Nixon's worst acts do not compare to what Trump has done.

It is truly amazing that anyone is unable to see that Trump is, by far, the worst violator of his oath of office of any PotUS in our history.

But you think Biden is "more evil".   

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.52  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.51    one month ago
It is delusional to believe that Trump is the lesser of two evils when compared with Biden. 

Considering all those who dare to think differently as delusional takes real hubris.

It also makes for a shitty argument.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.53  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.52    one month ago
It also makes for a shitty argument.

Then maybe you should rebut the actual argument I gave (and have given repeatedly) rather than pretend the thesis is the argument.

Which PotUS in our history has violated his oath worse than Trump did in his Big Lie campaign?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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6.1.54  afrayedknot  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.53    one month ago

“Which PotUS in our history has violated his oath worse than Trump did in his Big Lie campaign?”

This simple question cannot be asked often enough in the run up to the next election. That it will never be properly addressed, much less answered, sadly says where we find ourselves.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.55  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.53    one month ago

I'll not indulge in your whataboutism.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.56  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.55    one month ago

Of course, a feeble excuse in lieu of a rebuttal.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.57  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.56    one month ago

I am sorry you feel facts are excuses.

 
 
 
Thomas
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6.1.58  Thomas  replied to  devangelical @6.1.49    one month ago
elise stuffindick

My friend likes the name "Elise Demonic" to refer to our representative

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.59  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.51    one month ago

Lesser of Two Evils: The somewhat less unpleasant of two poor choices.

Only the delusional would think " the worse violator of his oath of office"  is the only thing to consider when determining who the lesser of two evils is.

Of course it should be considered but each individual is perfectly capable to decide for themselves how true it was (in THEIR opinion) and how important an issue is( in THEIR opinion).

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.60  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.59    one month ago
Only the delusional would think " the worse violator of his oath of office"  is the only thing to consider when determining who the lesser of two evils is.

Well, let's hear what else you think should be considered when determining the lesser of two evils.

We have "the worst violator of his oath of office of any PotUS in our history" as my starting criterion.

What is the next criterion?

How about "a convicted felon" since this actually could be reality this year?

So I would say if we have two nominees, the greater of the two evils would be the nominee who is:

  1. "the worst violator of his oath of office of any PotUS in our history"
  2. "a convicted felon"
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.61  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.60    one month ago

You are welcome to that opinion.

You suggest  policies have nothing to do with deciding who is the less unpleasant of the two choices?

It would seem to me people would be more interested in what impacts their lives than anything else but again that is up to them to decide, not you or me.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.62  Split Personality  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.59    one month ago

Having been in the WH a few decades ago and being very old school, I find it abhorrent that anyone in the WH would think that tearing up, shredding, flushing or burning documents in the WH fireplaces would be acceptable legal behavior for anyone in the WH or West Wing.  It was illegal.

Certainly not the POTUS.

Truckloads of documents moved to Mar A Lago and then deliberately hidden from the FBI after said agency had proof of dozens of top-secret documents found in the former President's possession?  It was illegal.

Original Top Secret documents missing since the last week of the Administration.

Trump denies his oath was to uphold the Constitution.

His lawyers argue that he isn't an "officer"?

What next?  Arguing the definition of "it"?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.63  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.61    one month ago
You suggest  policies have nothing to do with deciding who is the less unpleasant of the two choices?

No, I did not suggest that.   I offered criterion that I submit are more important than policies.

See, I think responsible, rational, patriotic people would reject an individual with the criteria I listed.   Criterion 1 is bad enough.   Add in criterion 2 and the result is devastatingly bad for the holder of the most powerful office on the planet.

Imagine the USA whose PotUS is:

  1. "the worst violator of his oath of office of any PotUS in our history"
  2. "a convicted felon"
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.64  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.63    one month ago
I offered criterion that I submit are more important than policies.

You are welcome to that opinion.  My opinion is people may not give it the importance or priority that you do.  I also believe if they don't give it the importance you do they can still be responsible, rational and patriotic people, I am not sure what suggesting otherwise accomplishes.  Maybe there is a poll as to what is important to the independents that feel they are picking  the less unpleasant of the choices.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.65  Right Down the Center  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.62    one month ago

And if that is the overriding factors in your decision making go for it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.66  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.64    one month ago
My opinion is people may not give it the importance or priority that you do.

You always have the same basic response:  that others do not see things as I do.

Well, no shit.   That is a platitude.  We all know that people see things differently.   That is probably one of the most basic facts of life.

That platitude is not a rebuttal; it is the feeble absence of a rebuttal. 


I offered two criteria:

Imagine the USA whose PotUS is:

  1. "the worst violator of his oath of office of any PotUS in our history"
  2. "a convicted felon"

So make an actual argument for why it is responsible, rational, and patriotic to ignore those two criteria simply due to policy.

Note that every GOP voter could vote for GOP congressional representatives even if they do not vote for Trump.   And it is arguably more important to have control in the Legislative branch than in the Executive branch.   Thus voters have the ability to vote for their party AND simultaneously NOT vote for Trump — a vindictive narcissist demagogue who violated his oath of office by attempting to circumvent the CotUS by suborning Pence to table votes from select states that Trump lost (he had created fake electors in seven states) in the hope that this would cease the counting and force the House to step in and (with great wishful thinking) declare him the winner.   Trump not only violated the CotUS but tried to disenfranchise voters ... an attack on the very foundation of democracy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.67  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.64    one month ago

You could always infer that people not thinking like you are delusional, stupid, unpatriotic, irrational and irresponsible!

I've heard that works wonders.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.68  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.67    one month ago

Except that is not the argument.   

The argument states the specific conditions and none of them are relative to me personally.

You offer no argument, just a feeble, dishonest personal attack.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.69  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.68    one month ago
Except that is not the argument.   

It is my argument.

It is unreasonable to think everyone not thinking as you do personally is delusional, or stupid, or any of the other things mentioned.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.70  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.67    one month ago

Actually I don't think it works at all and just makes the person doing it look bad.  But that's just me.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.71  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.66    one month ago
So make an actual argument for why it is responsible, rational, and patriotic to ignore those two criteria simply due to policy.
Why do you totally ignore where I said "Of course it should be considered but each individual is perfectly capable to decide for themselves how true it was (in THEIR opinion) and how important an issue is( in THEIR opinion) and accuse me of saying something different?
It almost seems you look for opportunities to go off on a "let me tell you what Trump did" tangent.
When you resort to those tactics the discussion is not worth continuing.
Suffice it to say you keep your opinion and all the other people that are choosing the lesser of two evils will keep theirs.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.72  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.66    one month ago
You always have the same basic response:  that others do not see things as I do.

The difference is I don't have a problem with that while you do, even resorting to calling them juvenile names.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.73  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.72    one month ago

The difference is that you have no argument.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.74  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.73    one month ago

Thanks for your theory and comment.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.1.75  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.34    one month ago
but if he wants to, fine. 

Never happen and you know it.    Biden will be headed back to his basement soon.    Very soon and his useful idiots will applaud him for it.

Sad

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
6.1.76  Snuffy  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.75    one month ago
Biden will be headed back to his basement soon.    Very soon and his useful idiots will applaud him for it.

Didn't take long for that to be suggested.

CNN commentator and ex-Obama official Van Jones advised President Biden on Tuesday to hide from the public, just like he did in the 2020 campaign, because he is not a good   public communicator .

"If I were Biden, I would stay hidden," Jones said. "I will tell you why. He doesn’t inspire confidence. He is not a great messenger for himself." 

Ex-Obama official tells Biden to 'stay hidden' since he 'doesn't inspire confidence' | Fox News

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.77  Right Down the Center  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.76    one month ago
"If I were Biden, I would stay hidden," Jones said. "I will tell you why. He doesn’t inspire confidence. He is not a great messenger for himself." 

And that is the guy they want to be president.

 
 
 
George
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6.1.78  George  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.77    one month ago
And that is the guy they want to be president.

No, that is the simpleminded figure head that they want to hold the office so they can fundamentally change America. Nobody who has 3 digits in their IQ actually thinks Bidens in charge of anything. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.79  Texan1211  replied to  George @6.1.78    one month ago

And yet, the "smart, logical" folks (so they claim) will be voting for a traitor.

Sad lemmings.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.1.80  Sparty On  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.76    one month ago

I know.    Amazing isn’t it?    Sad and amazing ……

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.81  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.79    one month ago
And yet, the "smart, logical" folks (so they claim) will be voting for a traitor.

Again your "logic" is confused.   If you consider Biden a traitor then Trump must be a traitor too.   So you are criticizing and name-calling all your GOP brethren on this site who are going to vote for Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.82  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.80    one month ago

Are you NOT going to vote for Trump if he is the GOP nominee?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.83  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.77    one month ago
And that is the guy they want to be president.

Neither Biden nor Trump should be PotUS.  

The GOP has a chance to put forth a decent candidate.   Yet they continue to support Trump.   And here on NT, the right-leaning folks predominantly defend Trump and criticize Biden.   The discussion is not pro-Haley, it is still the same old mindless partisan attacks on Biden while attempting to defend the indefensible Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.84  TᵢG  replied to  George @6.1.78    one month ago
Nobody who has 3 digits in their IQ actually thinks Bidens in charge of anything. 

We have individuals on this site claiming that Biden is cleverly weaponizing the DoJ.   He is ostensibly running the show and covering his tracks.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.1.85  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.82    one month ago

Are you NOT going to vote for Biden if he doesn’t debate the GOP nominee?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.1.86  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1    one month ago
is that a joke? 

Sadly he's serious.  More than willing to overlook the mental deficient Traitor Joe and all his mental shortcomings just to pacify hurt feelings.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.87  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.85    one month ago
Are you NOT going to vote for Biden if he doesn’t debate the GOP nominee?

Always a deflection rather than taking a stand.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.1.88  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.87    one month ago

Actually unlike others here I rarely do that so your comment is a sweeping generalization.  

Are you going to answer my question or are you going stick with the usual route of avoidance and redirection?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.89  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.88    one month ago
Are you going to answer my question or are you going stick with the usual route of avoidance and redirection?

A perfect example of witless projection.

  1. I ask you a question.
  2. You refuse to answer and then simply ask me an inverse question.
  3. Then you accuse me of avoidance and redirection.
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.1.90  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.83    one month ago

Both parties have a chance to put forth an acceptable choice and they are not.  Considering Joes age and health it seems it would be important to put forth a good vice president and they have chosen not to.  I am sure they all have their reasons as to what they think America wants and needs.  Unfortunately they may be wrong

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.1.91  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.90    one month ago
Both parties have a chance to put forth an acceptable choice and they are not. 

Correct, both parties have let us down.   The GOP, however, is substantially worse in its failure.

Considering Joes age and health it seems it would be important to put forth a good vice president and they have chosen not to.

I agree.   Same for Trump who is just 3 1/2 years younger.

I am sure they all have their reasons as to what they think America wants and needs.  Unfortunately they may be wrong

Under normal circumstances, we would be discussing policy differences.   People would disagree and, in this case, your above statement would be spot on.   Everyone has a different view on which policies are best for the nation.

In 2024, the GOP has put forth a demonstrable traitor.   An individual with abysmal character who has demonstrated that he will throw the CotUS and the nation under the bus if it suits his personal needs.   A malignant narcissist, pathological liar, vindictive asshole who is the only PotUS in our history to attempt to steal a US presidential election.   An individual who, likely, will be a convicted felon this year.

No matter how much someone disagrees with Biden's policies (and I have registered my disagreement), there is no comparing Biden or anyone who has been considered for the presidency this term to Trump.   Trump is entirely unfit and it is a disgrace that the GOP has allowed this to happen.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago
The nation needs to begin to discuss Trumps mental erosion. 

Anything but policy / S

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2    one month ago

For the umpteenth time, everyone doesnt agree with your views on the worth of Trump's policies.  In fact, polling regularly shows that more people agree with the Democrats on various national issues. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.1    one month ago
In fact, polling regularly shows that more people agree with the Democrats on various national issues. 

Do those very same polls show Americans happy with the crisis on the border, deficits, and persistent inflation? 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.1    one month ago
In fact, polling regularly shows that more people agree with the Democrats on various national issues. 

Not the economy or immigration I would think.  What important things do people agree with?  Keep in mind Joes approval ratings in those areas.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.4    one month ago

Progressives would like to convince us that America is on board but the REAL FACTS tell us differently.

IF the claim was true, then it would make no sense at all that the vast majority of Americans think we are on the wrong track.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.4    one month ago

Biden's biggest legitimate criticism is illegal immigration.   

The criticism on the economy is losing its merit given interest rates are falling, unemployment has dropped (too far even), inflation is waning, and the stock market is booming.  One must hold onto partisan beliefs in spite of actual fact to claim that the economy is in bad shape (relative to the norm economy of the USA).

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.4    one month ago
Not the economy or immigration I would think. 

Of course not, as polls prove time and time again.

Dems will try to convince everyone how great things are as if people are just too stupid to know their own finances without input from Democrats.

Immigration is just a mess and Democrats have demonstrated they don't have a clue how to fix it.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.2.8  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.7    one month ago
Of course not, as polls prove time and time again.

Current polling shows people's economic attitude is shifting upward as TiG says. 

We're talking about the University of Michigan's survey of consumer sentiment. And it shows that people felt better about the economy in January than they did in December, and they felt better in December than the month before that. In fact, over the last two months, we've seen the biggest improvement in consumer sentiment in more than three decades.
 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @6.2.8    one month ago

Also from your source, which surprisingly contained no numbers, this:

In fact, over the last two months, we've seen the biggest improvement in consumer sentiment in more than three decades. Now, don't start playing "Happy Days Here Again" just yet. On the whole, people's economic attitudes are still not all that sunny, but they are moving up
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.6    one month ago

Johns comment was about  polling, my response was also about polling.  Kind of like this:

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or 

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Must be a messaging problem.  Are you suggesting 66% of Americans that are pessimistic are all partisans?  Many Biden polls suggest about a 37% approval rating and a 59% disapproval rating on how he is handling the economy. Are you suggesting a 59% disapproval rating is all partisan?  Are you saying 61% of Democrats that think the economy is in bad condition are partisan?

Obviously kitchen table issues are always very important to folks.  I am not sure they really care about unemployment rates (that does not put food on the table or heat the house), stock market to those that can't afford to be in the stock market, or inflation waning but not getting back to acceptable levels.

While I don't disagree that a President has limited direct effect on the economy people are used to them taking credit for it when it is good and blaming their opponents when it is bad.  When people are voting perception can be more important than reality. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.5    one month ago
Progressives would like to convince us that America is on board but the REAL FACTS tell us differently.

Believe what I say and not what you see is a daily theme at the press conferences.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.9    one month ago

The inflation rate is no longer 9 percent it is only 4 percent (compared to 2% when the brain dead one took office).  YIPEEE! Time to celebrate.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6.2.13  Tacos!  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2    one month ago
Anything but policy

I would say his policies are irrelevant at this point, for two reasons. First, whatever policies he says he holds, they aren't wildly different from any other Republican who might be running or considering it. That means his character and mental health are far more relevant.

Second, he has been long on speeches, but short on action. I'm still waiting for his totally awesome plan to replace Obamacare. I'm still waiting for Mexico to pay for a wall. I'm still waiting for the legions of manufacturers who were going to move their operations back to America. I'm still waiting for the improved relations with Russia. I'm still waiting for him to put China in their place.

So, policy-wise, he is interchangeable with everyone else. After that, he's probably the biggest asshole to ever hold the office. Certainly, he's the most juvenile, what with his name-calling. He's cognitively and emotionally unstable, and

- and this is something we have known for 40 years -

he's full of shit.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.12    one month ago
The inflation rate is no longer 9 percent it is only 4 percent (compared to 2% when the brain dead one took office).  YIPEEE! Time to celebrate.

The mere fact that the Bidenistas are cheering tells us that they really don't have a clue about the economy.

Can you even imagine touting such dismal numbers?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.15  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.11    one month ago

I'll believe a Democrat on the economy when people can and do start paying their legal debts again.

Pretty hard to believe them when they tell us in one breath everything's fine and then in the next tell us the economy is so poor that hardworking Americans are now expected to pay loans off for people who chose to go to school and incur loans.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.14    one month ago

Even the liberal media is having trouble towing that line at this point.  That is why Joe has to tell them to "report things right".

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.15    one month ago
I'll believe a Democrat on the economy when people can and do start paying their legal debts again.

I have yet to hear anyone on the left say why there should be student loan debt forgiveness if the economy is so great.  You don't think they are actually just trying to buy votes do you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.18  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.17    one month ago
I have yet to hear anyone on the left say why there should be student loan debt forgiveness if the economy is so great.

Probably never will, either.

Just another chance to shaft the real taxpayers of the country to buy a relative handful of votes.

You don't think they are actually just trying to buy votes do you?

What's that line again?

"When people show you who they are--believe them!"

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.2.19  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.9    one month ago

I can assure you the movers in both parties are watching those polling trends carefully even if you aren't. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.20  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.12    one month ago
The inflation rate is no longer 9 percent it is only 4 percent (compared to 2% when the brain dead one took office).  YIPEEE! Time to celebrate.

A fine example of blind partisanship.   When inflation is rising you complain (appropriately).   Yet when it is reversing you also complain.  And it seems to me that if inflation were at 2% right now, you would complain about the fact that it was recently bad.

All the while naively presuming that this is all controlled by the powers of the presidency.   

One should understand that the presidency does not have magical powers to control the economy.   That the economy is a very complex, world-wide beast that largely operates on its own volition.   We can take some measures to influence this behavior but even here the most effective tools are brute force, indirect instruments that are nudged and then observed for months to see if the desired effect was achieved.   And these tools are wielded by the Fed, not the PotUS (or Congress even).

A PotUS can impact the economy.   But it is typically weak and deferred (often coming into effect in the next administration or later).

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.21  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.17    one month ago
why there should be student loan debt forgiveness

We should never have student loan debt forgiveness.   If we are to engage in federal spending for education it should be targeted at those who demonstrate serious academic interests and aptitude and who are unable to get proper education (commensurate with said aptitude) due to low economic positions.

That is sensible for the nation because it helps bright minds to be nurtured and then put to good use to help the nation as a whole.

Forgiving loans after the fact is both unfair, sets a bad precedent, and does not accomplish anything other than pandering for votes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.22  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.21    one month ago
Forgiving loans after the fact is both unfair, sets a bad precedent, and does not accomplish anything other than pandering for votes.

The man who you will most likely vote for is a king of pandering.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.23  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @6.2.19    one month ago
I can assure you the movers in both parties are watching those polling trends carefully even if you aren't. 

And I bet even more of them are watching the polls showing the vast majority of Americans as thinking the country is going in the wrong direction, even if you aren't.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.24  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.22    one month ago
The man who you will most likely vote for is a king of pandering.

Yes he is.   And that sucks.   

But there is no comparison between the flaws of Biden's policies and:

  1. the worst violator of his oath of office of any PotUS in our history
  2. a likely convicted felon

Biden's policies can be stifled by a GOP Congress.   The nation can function and the GOP can begin to heal from the Trump infection it has endured since 2017.

That scenario is substantially better than placing an irresponsible, vindictive, narcissist back in office who is the worst violator of his oath of office of any PotUS in our history.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.25  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.24    one month ago
Yes he is.   And that sucks.   

Great! We agree!

Looks like the only difference is who we will vote for. I won't be the one voting for a pandering failure.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.26  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.25    one month ago
I won't be the one voting for a pandering failure.

No, you have stated that you are going to leave the decision to others.   If Biden v Trump, you have stated that you will vote for neither.

Great!   Stay out of it.   Let those of us who take this seriously make the decision.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.27  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.26    one month ago
No, you have stated that you are going to leave the decision to others. 

Either you "misunderstood" my words or are distorting them.

I never said any such thing.

What I did say was that I will let others decide who to vote for and that I wouldn't be voting for Biden or Trump. Trying to equate THOSE words with the stuff you just tried to pass off as my words is intellectually dishonest.

Great!   Stay out of it.   Let those of us who take this seriously make the decision.

Stay out of it? When did I say I was staying out of it? QUOTE ME!

Let you make a decision for me? No thanks!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.28  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.27    one month ago
What I did say was that I will let others decide who to vote for and that I wouldn't be voting for Biden or Trump.

Yes, Texan, and the key here is that you have stated that you would not be voting for Biden or Trump.

Just as I stated.   

That means (think about this now) that you are going to leave the decision to others.

Great!   Stay out of it.   Let those of us who take this seriously make the decision.

 
 
 
George
Sophomore Guide
6.2.29  George  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.28    one month ago
Great!   Stay out of it.   Let those of us who take this seriously make the decision.

That comment reeks of arrogance.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.30  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.28    one month ago
Yes, Texan, and the key here is that you have stated that you would not be voting for Biden or Trump.

You can twist the words and mangle them all you wish, but I never have even ONCE stated what you claimed. If I had, you would be able to quote me and that would be the end of it, Instead, you are being dishonest and claiming I have said things I never did.

That means (think about this now) that you are going to leave the decision to others.

Maybe you don't know how elections are conducted, or perhaps you never heard of write-in votes. Doesn't matter, your claim is completely and utterly false.

Great!   Stay out of it.   Let those of us who take this seriously make the decision.

Repeating inanity doesn't improve it any.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.31  TᵢG  replied to  George @6.2.29    one month ago

Are you planning to vote for either Biden or Trump if those are the D and R nominees, respectively?

Or are you planning to let others decide who will be president?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.32  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.30    one month ago
You can twist the words ...

There is no twisting; just another desperate platitude from you. 

If you do not vote for Biden or Trump (if they are the nominees) you ipso facto leave it up to others to make the decision as to who will be the next PotUS.

There is no getting around that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.33  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.32    one month ago
There is no twisting; just another desperate platitude from you

Oh, of course there was.

Either you can quote me saying what YOU claimed or we can all see you made that up.

You have no argument and are reduced to fantasy.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.34  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.33    one month ago

Are you denying that you have stated in this forum that you will not vote for either Biden or Trump if they are the nominees?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.35  Texan1211  replied to  George @6.2.29    one month ago
That comment reeks of arrogance.

Sounds like something straight out of the DNC or Biden Administration.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.36  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.34    one month ago
Are you denying that you have stated in this forum that you will not vote for either Biden or Trump if they are the nominees?

Why the senseless repeating of questions already asked and answered?

One last time (SIGH!), and God I hope it sticks THIS time:

I will not vote for Biden or Trump under any circumstances.

Now, my prior answers to that very same question seem to have fallen on deaf ears, so I am hoping that maybe, just maybe, this one will be recognized so we no longer have to go through the most basic things over and over and over.

Do you recognize my statement that I will not vote for Biden or Trump NOW?

Are you denying you will vote for Biden?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.37  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.36    one month ago
I will not vote for Biden or Trump under any circumstances.

Exactly.   So you do indeed confirm that what I stated is correct.

Thus:

If you do not vote for Biden or Trump (if they are the nominees) you ipso facto leave it up to others to make the decision as to who will be the next PotUS.

There is no getting around that.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.38  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.20    one month ago
One should understand that the presidency does not have magical powers to control the economy.   

Missed were I said "President has limited direct effect on the economy" 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.39  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.21    one month ago
We should never have student loan debt forgiveness.   

If I knew Joe was going to do that I would have continued my pursuit of an underwater basket weaving degree.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.40  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.38    one month ago

If you believe something then you should factor that into your overall reasoning.

If you actually understand that the PotUS has limited direct effect on the economy then you would not be so critical of Biden because of inflation lowering but not hitting 2%.

Your criticisms defy what you claim to understand.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.41  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.37    one month ago
Exactly.   So you do indeed confirm that what I stated is correct.

Yes, for God-knows-how-many-times-now, I have confirmed to you that I will not be voting for Biden or Trump. What is this special need for confirmation of things I have never denied, confirmed and reconfirmed multiple times now?

And now that you finally recognize the answer at long last, no need to ever ask it again.

And I realize I can't prevent any of your erroneous conclusions. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.42  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.41    one month ago

I had already correctly stated your position.    You have confirmed this.

You are pretending that I got it wrong.   Your pretense is pathetic and desperate.


If you do not vote for Biden or Trump (if they are the nominees) you ipso facto leave it up to others to make the decision as to who will be the next PotUS.

There is no getting around that.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.2.43  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.37    one month ago

Why are you not answering the question posed to you in 6.2.36?

We know you are going to vote for Biden and we know why.

You have said it multiple times.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.44  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.42    one month ago
I had already correctly stated your position.   

And it is a position that you have asked about many times. Each time, I have told you the same exact thing.

I'll let you in on a secret. I don't need you to tell me what my position is, as I have already told you what it is. Either you get it or you don't, I just know I won't be responding to the same tired questions again if you should ask (and I suspect you will at least once again based on past history).

You are pretending that I got it wrong.   Your pretense is pathetic and desperate.

No, I am not pretending anything. I am pointing out the troll-like quality of repeatedly asking the same questions over and over, then pretending you aren't getting answers. 

That is the sign of a weak, ineffectual, immature, juvenile 'argument'.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.45  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @6.2.43    one month ago

I have been very clear in this forum and have been consistent that I will vote for Biden if the contest is between him and Trump.   Is this your desperate little ploy to help Texan?

Here, Texan objected to my noting that his claim to not vote for either Biden or Trump (if it is between those two for the presidency) means that he is leaving the vote to others.

If one does not vote for Biden or Trump then one ipso facto is leaving the decision to others.

Do you understand that?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.46  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.44    one month ago

Deflection.  

I have not been asking you questions except when you deny what you have stated.   I have been making a statement:

If you do not vote for Biden or Trump (if they are the nominees) you ipso facto leave it up to others to make the decision as to who will be the next PotUS.

There is no getting around that.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.2.47  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.45    one month ago
Do you understand that?

I don't care what you and Texan are opining on. Texan sure as hell does not need help when it comes to debating you.

I rightfully noticed you avoided the question and I mentioned it.

Not a me problem you don't like it.

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
6.2.48  GregTx  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.42    one month ago
If you do not vote for Biden or Trump (if they are the nominees) you ipso facto leave it up to others to make the decision as to who will be the next PotUS. There is no getting around that.

Exactly, which is why everyone that is thinking of doing that should instead write in Dan Campbell..

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.49  TᵢG  replied to  GregTx @6.2.48    one month ago

'Exactly' is correct.   The logic is undeniable.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.50  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.46    one month ago
Deflection. 

Yes, much of what you are posting is deflecting.

I have not been asking you questions except when you deny what you have stated.   

That is totally inane. I ask you again to quote me instead of telling lies about what I have clearly stated. Since you can't do that, you have no coherent argument and are merely floundering, throwing shit at walls and desperately hoping something sticks.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.51  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @6.2.47    one month ago
I don't care what you and Texan are opining on.

Then we should consider your comments irrelevant.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.52  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.50    one month ago

You claim that if Biden v Trump you will not vote for either.

If you do not vote for Biden or Trump (if they are the nominees) you ipso facto leave it up to others to make the decision as to who will be the next PotUS.

There is no getting around that.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.2.53  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.51    one month ago
irrelevant.

Do what you want but you yourself have said that we should be able to opine on what we want to opine on and not opine on what we wish not to.

Do we now consider your comments irrelevant when you do not directly answer another poster and the subject at hand?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.54  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.40    one month ago

Thanks for your opinion

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.55  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.52    one month ago
You claim that if Biden v Trump you will not vote for either.

Have you ever read what I really stated?

I don't know how on earth you can mangle and misrepresent my words so badly, it is really phenomenal.

So I don't really expect any quotes to support your 'claims" but it would have been honest.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.56  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.55    one month ago

do we really have to go through this bs every day ? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.57  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.51    one month ago
Then we should consider your comments irrelevant.

Please don't attempt to speak for me.

I think he made a valid point.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.58  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.56    one month ago
do we really have to go through this bs every day ? 

When people trollishly ask repeatedly the very same questions already answered multiple times, when people misrepresent or outright lie about what is clearly stated, I will defend myself.

I figured you were here by choice. Simple solution for you if this is too much for you to bear.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.59  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.56    one month ago
do we really have to go through this bs every day ? 

Seems there is one common denominator to all these types of "discussions".  You may wish to ask the common denominator that question

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.60  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.57    one month ago

The point that you have refused to even acknowledge is this:

If you do not vote for Biden or Trump (if they are the nominees) you ipso facto leave it up to others to make the decision as to who will be the next PotUS.

There is no getting around that.

So go ahead, Texan, sit in front of your keyboard spouting whatever you wish to spout.

But when it comes time to make the decision of Biden v Trump, you have stated that you will NOT participate and thus you are leaving it up to others to make the decision.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.2.61  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.56    one month ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.62  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.60    one month ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.63  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.60    one month ago

And?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.64  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.63    one month ago

What are you asking for?   What is unclear to you?

The obvious "and" is:  ".... you are leaving it up to others to make the decision."

As I noted early on, I think that is just great!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.65  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.60    one month ago
But when it comes time to make the decision of Biden v Trump, you have stated that you will NOT participate and thus you are leaving it up to others to make the decision

Yet another total fabrication of what I actually said. This is ridiculous now. When did I say I would not participate? Can you quote that? I bet not!

When you can not, will you admit you made it up?

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
6.2.66  GregTx  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.58    one month ago

They're just getting nervous about how third party votes fuck Biden up more than Trump....

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.67  Texan1211  replied to  GregTx @6.2.66    one month ago

Could be.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.68  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.64    one month ago
What are you asking for?   What is unclear to you?

Just wondering why you felt the need to ask it a half dozen times.  I was thinking maybe you had a point.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.2.69  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.65    one month ago
When did I say I would not participate?

There is some belief that Trump and Biden are the ONLY two choices on a ballot.

Some don't believe that anyone would not vote for either one and opt for either a third party or a write in.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.70  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.65    one month ago

You either are NOT going to vote for either Biden or Trump or you are going to vote for one of them.   Logically, this is binary.   It is either X or ~X where X ≡ "voting for Biden or Trump".

You have confirmed that I was correct in noting that you will not vote for either.

That means you are leaving the decision of who will be PotUS (if Biden v Trump) to others.

And I think that is great!   

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.71  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.70    one month ago
You either are NOT going to vote for either Biden or Trump or you are going to vote for one of them

Have you read my posts, ever? How is this not crystal clear to you by now????????????

I would like your next post to contain some quotes of me saying what you keep claiming I have stated.

Or is your refusal to do so an admission you made it all up?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.72  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.71    one month ago
How is this not crystal clear to you by now?

It was crystal clear at the inception of this nonsense.   I correctly stated your position upfront and have correctly stated it throughout.

You confirmed that I am correct.

You are not going to vote for either Biden or Trump if it is Biden v Trump.

That means you are leaving the decision of who will be PotUS (if Biden v Trump) to others.

And I think that is great!   

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.73  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @6.2.69    one month ago
There is some belief that Trump and Biden are the ONLY two choices on a ballot. Some don't believe that anyone would not vote for either one and opt for either a third party or a write

Fortunately, you and I seem to grasp how elections work.

Partisans rely on people not understanding that.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.74  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.73    one month ago

Do you believe that a third party candidate in 2024 could win the presidency?

If so, who is this remarkable person?

In the meantime, those of us who do indeed understand the election dynamics in 2024 realize that if this is a repeat of Biden v Trump, the PotUS will either be Biden or Trump.   Those who do not vote for one or the other are leaving the decision to others.

You are one of those who is leaving the decision to others because you will not vote for either Biden or Trump (if Biden v Trump).

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.75  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.68    one month ago

What specifically did I ask for half a dozen times?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.76  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.72    one month ago
It was crystal clear at the inception of this nonsense. 

By me, of course. Not by the one who is asking the same questions again and again, even while "claiming" to understand! That sounds suspiciously like a tacit admission that the questions had no point. Thanks for that, btw.

You are not going to vote for either Biden or Trump if it is Biden v Trump.

Again, not what I stated.

What part of "I will not vote for Biden or Trump under any circumstances" is causing this disconnect?

This means:

A. If Biden is on the ballot, I will not vote for him.

B. If Trump is on the ballot, I will not vote for him.

C. If it is Biden vs. Trump, that means they will both be on the ballot, which means I will not vote for either of them.

If this is not plain by now, I give up.

That means you are leaving the decision of who will be PotUS (if Biden v Trump) to others

Your speculation needs some work to ever be taken seriously.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.77  TᵢG  replied to  GregTx @6.2.66    one month ago
They're just getting nervous about how third party votes fuck Biden up more than Trump....

Well that is some special 'logic'.

Do you think that Texan is likely to vote for a third party candidate who would draw votes from Biden?

Really, Greg, you think Texan is inclined to vote for a liberal/progressive leaning 3rd party candidate rather than a conservative leaning 3rd party candidate?

I think it is great that Texan is not going to vote for Biden or Trump if Biden v Trump.   That is one less vote for Trump and even if Texan votes third party, it would have no effect on Biden (just pulls from Trump).

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.78  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.76    one month ago
What part of "I will not vote for Biden or Trump under any circumstances" is causing this disconnect?

That is my question to you.   I stated this upfront and have correctly repeated it.   You are the one who agrees when you write those words but disagrees when I write them.

You are the one who is demonstrably confused.

If it is Biden vs. Trump, that means they will both be on the ballot, which means I will not vote for either of them.

Exactly as I have stated repeatedly from the inception!

That means you are leaving the decision of who will be PotUS (if Biden v Trump) to others.

And I think that is great!   

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.79  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.74    one month ago
Do you believe that a third party candidate in 2024 could win the presidency?

I believe it is possible.

Which is far different from probable before you ask me again.

In the meantime, those of us who do indeed understand the election dynamics in 2024 realize that if this is a repeat of Biden v Trump, the PotUS will either be Biden or Trump. 

Wow, what a startling 'revelation!'

Not one thing I have ever written would lead a reasonable person to think that I wouldn't know that the President-to-be would be on the ballot.

Those who do not vote for one or the other are leaving the decision to others.

Your opinion is noted.

Mine happens to be that when Americans vote for someone instead of against someone, we get better leaders.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.80  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.78    one month ago
That means you are leaving the decision of who will be PotUS (if Biden v Trump) to others. And I think that is great!

This is as senseless and as untrue as the first time you wrote it, and every time after that you have nauseatingly repeated it.

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
6.2.81  GregTx  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.74    one month ago
You are one of those who is leaving the decision to others because you will not vote for either Biden or Trump

That's the partisanship I was talking about......

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.82  Texan1211  replied to  GregTx @6.2.81    one month ago
That's the partisanship I was talking about......

Some people have to believe that only Biden or Trump can be President.

It is such attitudes that continue to hamper our electing good officials.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.83  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.79    one month ago
I believe it is possible.

Since you recognize that this is improbable (in 2024, next to impossible), do you realize that your vote is equivalent to not voting for the president in 2024 in terms of deciding the winner?

Hell, do you even know which 3rd party candidate you would vote for?   Do you even have a name to offer?

Mine happens to be that when Americans vote for someone instead of against someone, we get better leaders.

You are free to vote for whoever you think would make the best leader, but in the end you (all of us) will be stuck with either Biden or Trump (if Biden v Trump).   

In short, you appear to be kidding yourself.

But I am quite pleased that you will not be casting a vote for either Biden or Trump.   Because if the contest is indeed Biden v. Trump, one of those two will be PotUS.   Since you would never vote for Biden, this is just one less potential vote for Trump.

I think that it is great that you have chosen to let others choose between Biden and Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.84  TᵢG  replied to  GregTx @6.2.81    one month ago
That's the partisanship I was talking about......

Where is the partisanship in pointing out that not voting for Biden or Trump is ipso facto leaving the decision to others?

You must have a very exotic, personal definition for the word 'partisanship'.   

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.85  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.82    one month ago
Some people have to believe that only Biden or Trump can be President.

If it is Biden v Trump, then that belief is quite sound.  

The belief that a 3rd party candidate can (magically) win the presidency in 2024 is fantasy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.86  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.83    one month ago

Since no reciprocation is in sight, I see no point in answering any other questions you may have.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.87  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.85    one month ago
The belief that a 3rd party candidate can (magically) win the presidency in 2024 is fantasy.

Gee, if you know anyone who thinks that, let them know!

Since I don't, you are wasting time telling it to me.

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
6.2.88  GregTx  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.84    one month ago
You must have a very exotic, personal definition for the word 'partisanship'.  

I suppose,.. 6.2.83

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.89  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.83    one month ago
I think that it is great that you have chosen to let others choose between Biden and Trump.

Well, at least I won't be voting for a traitor.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.90  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.86    one month ago

Your responses have proven to be absurd, so no loss there.

I really only care about stating my position and illustrating that I have been correct all along in spite of your constant denials, etc.:

Texan@6.2.76 ☞ If it is Biden vs. Trump, that means they will both be on the ballot, which means I will not vote for either of them.

Yup, exactly what I stated at the inception.

That means you are leaving the decision of who will be PotUS (if Biden v Trump) to others.

And I think that is great!   

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.91  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.90    one month ago
That means you are leaving the decision of who will be PotUS (if Biden v Trump) to others. And I think that is great!   

At least I won't be voting for a traitor.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.92  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.91    one month ago

Yeah, IMO this illustrates that it is best for you to let others make the big decision.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.93  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.90    one month ago
Your answers have proven to be absurd, so no loss there.

At least one of us even attempted to answer a question.

Thanks for admitting it is me.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.94  TᵢG  replied to  GregTx @6.2.88    one month ago

Of course, you have no argument.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.95  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.92    one month ago
Yeah, IMO this illustrates that it is best for you to let others make the big decision

Yeah, I am perfectly fine with letting others vote for a traitor. I just won't do it under any circumstances, but I am trying to understand others' need to do so.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.96  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.93    one month ago

Now that is some desperate fantasy.    

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.97  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.96    one month ago
Now that is some desperate fantasy. 

Don't go confusing facts with fantasy.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.98  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.95    one month ago
... but I am trying to understand others' need to do so.

Sometimes we need to man up and make the hard decisions.   But in this case, Biden and Trump are not equivalent.   Not by a long shot.

I am happy to see those who cannot see the difference not get involved in the big decision.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.99  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.98    one month ago
I am happy to see those who cannot see the difference not get involved in the big decision.

I am happy that others feel knowledgeable enough to decide which is the best traitor to vote for. I will never be able to decide to vote for a traitor personally, let alone which one was best!

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
6.2.100  GregTx  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.94    one month ago

I don't see anything worth arguing over.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.2.101  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.91    one month ago
At least I won't be voting for a traitor.

yeah, it's best to stick to defending one...

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
6.2.102  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.60    one month ago

Ahhh, the freedom to choose

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.103  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @6.2.101    one month ago
yeah, it's best to stick to defending one...

Say, that's some great advice.

You should give it to someone defending a traitor.

Hey, you aren't going to vote for a traitor, are you?

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
6.2.104  GregTx  replied to  devangelical @6.2.101    one month ago

Hillaryous....

 
 
 
George
Sophomore Guide
6.2.105  George  replied to  GregTx @6.2.66    one month ago

The people who have no integrity are upset that some may vote their conscious costing Biden votes. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.106  Right Down the Center  replied to  George @6.2.105    one month ago

If people had integrity they wouldn't be able to vote for brain dead joe 

 
 
 
George
Sophomore Guide
6.2.107  George  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.106    one month ago

The funny thing is, the ones who whine endlessly about the shitty choices will end up voting for 1 of the shitty choices thus perpetuating the fact that we will continue to get shitty choices.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.108  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.106    one month ago
If people had integrity they wouldn't be able to vote for brain dead joe 

Would a vote for Trump be an example of a vote based on integrity?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.109  TᵢG  replied to  George @6.2.107    one month ago

Normally I would agree with you.  Let's say we are looking at a matchup like Obama vs. McCain.  Or even Bush vs. Kerry.   These were far from great choices, but neither nominee was intolerably bad.   So if one did not approve of either one, it would make sense to vote third party to help promote the development of same.   

And even today, if we have Biden v. Trump and Trump was in a situation where he had no realistic path to the presidency, I would definitely consider voting for who I would prefer (and it would not be Biden or Trump).   But it does not look like that will be an option for me.

In 2024, we will likely have two bad choices but Trump is absolutely unacceptable; an order of magnitude worse than Biden.  This is not the time to make a protest vote.   It is time to stop this demagogue traitor from securing the power of the presidency.   The GOP is clearly fucking this up, so it is up to the general electorate to prevent the USA from putting into the office of the presidency the worst violator of his oath of office of any PotUS in our history.  And, quite possibly, a convicted felon.

These are extraordinary times.   It is no time to be planting seeds for the emergence (albeit unlikely) of a viable third party in the distant future.

I am disgusted that the best possible choice is Biden, but that is the likely reality and we must deal with reality.

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
6.2.110  GregTx  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.109    one month ago
These are extraordinary times..

Why are they extraordinary times?...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.111  TᵢG  replied to  GregTx @6.2.110    one month ago

We have two elderly men, both way past their prime, as the likely nominees for the major parties.   The record-breaking oldest nominees in our history.

One of these men is a traitor who is the worst violator of his oath of office of any PotUS in our history.  And, quite possibly, a convicted felon.   The other is alleged to have taken money from foreign agents for political favors;  it is possible that this has legs.

Surely you have seen the next level of details I have penned in this forum supporting the above. 

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
6.2.112  GregTx  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.111    one month ago
Surely you have seen the next level of details I have penned in this forum supporting the above. 

Surely I have, yet these are the prospects being put forth...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.113  TᵢG  replied to  GregTx @6.2.112    one month ago

So why is it not obvious to you that these are extraordinary times?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.114  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.108    one month ago

Nope

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
6.2.115  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.23    one month ago
...even if you aren't.

I'll observe the trends are without bias. I may, or may not like what I see, but I won't interpret them through partisan lenses. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.116  Texan1211  replied to  George @6.2.29    one month ago
That comment reeks of arrogance.

That's okay. I'm used to it.

I just recognize that I am ill-equipped to decide WHICH traitor I should vote for, so I decided I wouldn't vote for either of them. The really smart people just automatically know which traitor to support.

Product of voting against someone instead of for someone, I just can't bring myself to vote for a traitor.

I'll let the unpatriotic fools do that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.117  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.116    one month ago

This schtick got boring months ago. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.118  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.117    one month ago

And all the I Hate Trump crap got old YEARS ago.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.119  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.116    one month ago
I am ill-equipped to decide WHICH traitor I should vote for

It is pathetic watching someone admit that they cannot distinguish a PotUS whose policies he dislikes from a genuine traitor — the only PotUS to attempt to steal a US presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement.   One who violated his oath of office by trying to circumvent the CotUS and by attempting to undermine the foundation of democracy — the vote of the electorate.

Which of the two violated their oaths of office so profoundly as to result in 91 felony charges backed by overwhelming, credible evidence?   Which of the two is a vindictive, narcissistic asshole?   Not difficult at all to determine which of the two is by far the worst for this nation.

But you are, by your own words, not equipped to decide so you will leave it up to others.   I think you are correct, best to leave it up to others.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.120  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.119    one month ago

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Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.121  Right Down the Center  replied to  George @6.2.107    one month ago

Exactly.  If people looked at all the people on the ballot and voted for who they believed would be best for the country (regardless of the D or R after their name or voting for someone to make sure someone else does not get voted in) it might be surprising what the result would be.  At least the person that most people (taking into consideration the EC) the will of the people would be done.  Of course that would take integrity in voting so we are generations away from that but maybe in my grandkids lifetime.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.122  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.119    one month ago

All those felony charges and no convictions.    

Amazing!   Especially with all that “credible and overwhelming” evidence.       With such open shut cases it’s amazing they haven’t gamed at least one of them into a conviction yet.    

Simply amazing.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.123  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.121    one month ago

Yeah, it sucks that we have partisans who just go with the flow rather than make objective, well-conceived decisions about the most powerful office on the planet.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.124  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.116    one month ago
I just recognize that I am ill-equipped to decide WHICH traitor I should vote for,

Some people have no problem voting for a traitor and try to justify it by saying the other guy is a worse traitor.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.125  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.122    one month ago
All those felony charges and no convictions.    

What a feeble argument.   The trials have to actually start before a conviction is possible.  

Do you believe the charges are all without merit?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.126  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.124    one month ago
Some people have no problem voting for a traitor and try to justify it by saying the other guy is a worse traitor.

You too are going to declare that you cannot tell the difference in scope and severity, in terms of traitorous acts, between Biden and Trump?

Trump is a demonstrable traitor.   Biden has yet to do anything that would make him a traitor.   Policy disagreements do not translate into traitorous acts.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.127  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.123    one month ago

Yep.  Of course many of them most likely think they are making objective well conceived decisions when in reality they are intellectually lazy and just "going with the flow".

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.128  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.126    one month ago

If they are both traitors does the severity really matter when trying to determine who to vote for?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.129  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.119    one month ago

True, I am not smart enough to justify voting for a traitor, so I will leave it to those with no qualms or questions about voting for one.

I will vote for someone while others resign themselves to unpatriotically voting for a traitor.

It is amusing the lengths some go to in pathetic attempts at justifying their traitor votes!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.130  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.127    one month ago

You are obviously accusing me of being intellectually lazy and going with the flow.

So make your argument.   Show me how I am being intellectually lazy and going with the flow.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.131  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.126    one month ago

They are down to relying on the power of "both-sidesism".   It's not impossible to believe the voting public may eventually say "to hell with both of them" and then the election becomes a crapshoot. 

We need the national media to stop pretending Trump is a normal person and candidate, but up til now they still are pretending. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.132  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.123    one month ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.133  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.129    one month ago
I am not smart enough to justify voting for a traitor,

You have admitted that you cannot distinguish between a demonstrable traitor and a PotUS whose policies you dislike.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.134  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.125    one month ago

The only feeble thing here are your comments that assign guilt before guilt is proven in a court of law. The pattern of bias present in your comments show a clear and present danger to well reasoned and unbiased thought.

Feeble probably isn’t the right word.   Pathetic is more appropriate.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.135  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.134    one month ago
The only feeble thing here are your comments that assign guilt before guilt is proven in a court of law.

Of course a lie.   I have never stated that Trump has been found guilty of these charges.   You have no argument, so of course we see deflection and dishonesty instead.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.136  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.133    one month ago
You have admitted that you cannot distinguish between a demonstrable traitor and a PotUS whose policies you dislike

Your theory is unsupported by fact and is a poor, weak attempt at putting words in my mouth.

Once AGAIN, I ask for a quote for your ridiculous, imaginative claim, but suspect it will be dealt with as usual.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.137  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.134    one month ago
The only feeble thing here are your comments that assign guilt before guilt is proven in a court of law.

The facts show guilt, not jury verdicts.  Guilty people get acquitted, for whatever reason, all the time. 

Trump approved a plan for Pence to declare him president by disenfranchising millions of voters, that is the first case for him being a traitor, and he sat on his hands in the oval office while a riot he inspired was taking place at the Capitol, a riot he hoped would stop the vote count that day.  That is the second way he is a traitor. 

Those are facts, and will be facts even if he never gets convicted. 

 
 
 
George
Sophomore Guide
6.2.138  George  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.131    one month ago
It's not impossible to believe the voting public may eventually say "to hell with both of them" and then the election becomes a crapshoot. 

No John, not to the people who actually are willing to put their country over their party, If the voting public says "to hell with both of them" we will actually get a person who isn't mentally deficient, and it will send a shockwave through the parties of the likes we have never seen. can you imagine a coalition government where we don't pray for a power shift every 2 years and they actually have to build alliances to work for the good of the majority. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.139  JohnRussell  replied to  George @6.2.138    one month ago
If the voting public says "to hell with both of them" we will actually get a person who isn't mentally deficient, and it will send a shockwave through the parties of the likes we have never seen.

There is ZERO chance of that happening this year. Aim for 2028 if you want. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.140  Texan1211  replied to  George @6.2.138    one month ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.141  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.137    one month ago

I agree, but note that when people have no argument, they zero in on specific words and play semantic games.   Don't use the word guilt or guilty because that is a legal determination.   Use a word like wrongdoing because that is an assessment that can be made outside of a court of law based on the observable facts.   

Trump defenders will argue that Trump did not engage in any wrongdoings, but at least it stops the pathetic little word game with the word "guilt".

Other than that, I agree with your post.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.142  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.135    one month ago

Bullshit.    You regularly call Trump a traitor as one example.    That assigns guilt no matter how you try to spin it.   C’mon man …. Take a stand!

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.143  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.141    one month ago

People have guilty consciences, and it has nothing to do with the law. 

"kids, which one of you is guilty of going into the cookie jar"?

Guilt is a conclusion drawn with or without legal ramifications. 

If we use "wrongdoing" they will say that such conduct doesnt rise to a disqualification. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.144  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.142    one month ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.145  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.142    one month ago
 You regularly call Trump a traitor 

Damn straight. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.146  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.135    one month ago
You have no argument, so of course we see deflection and dishonesty instead.

Oh, like putting words in others mouths and then arguing them?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.147  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.130    one month ago
You are obviously accusing me of being intellectually lazy and going with the flow.

You might have a guilty conscious but that is not what I meant at all.  I was talking more about people voting because someone has a D or R next to their name being too lazy to look at the people available to vote for.  I thought that is who you meant when you said go with the flow.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.148  TᵢG  replied to  George @6.2.138    one month ago
If the voting public says "to hell with both of them" we will actually get a person who isn't mentally deficient

Great philosophy.   I totally support the philosophy.

But it will not work in 2024.   You can apply your philosophy this election year and what will end up is the equivalent of you sitting on the sidelines and not voting.

This year we have a very serious problem.   The GOP is almost certainly going to nominate Trump.   He is, by far, the worst candidate of any that were running.   He is clearly much worse for this nation than Biden.   He is a fine example of a human being who, by a long shot, should never be PotUS.

There is only one way to use one's vote to help prevent letting that traitor gain access to the power of the presidency when the choice is him or Biden.   That means voting for Biden.

Not a desirable move, but there is no other option.   

I have stated numerous times in this forum that I would vote for who I prefer if on a Biden v Trump matchup that Trump had no realistic chance to win.   That is absolutely NOT the case.   Trump could indeed win.   Thus I am going to vote against Trump in the most effective possible way.

Further, I have been promoting someone other than Trump as the GOP nominee.   I have been financially supporting Haley and will vote for her if I have the chance to do so.

That is it.   That is all we have to work with.   So great philosophy but irrelevant in 2024.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.149  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.144    one month ago

He made the cardinal sin.    He beat the chosen one and now he is trying again.    Oh the humanity.    It must be resisted.

That said I’ll be gone in a bit.    I have resisted the chosen here one as well.    Oh the humanity.   

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.150  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.145    one month ago

F’n do A

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.151  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.133    one month ago
You have admitted that you cannot distinguish between a demonstrable traitor and a PotUS whose policies you dislike.

Far be it for me to speak for someone else but I think Tex considers them both traitors

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.152  Right Down the Center  replied to  George @6.2.138    one month ago

Exactly and until we start doing it we will never see it.  Even if that means voting for a person with little chance the first few times we do it.  We have to start somewhere.  And as the numbers grow after a few election cycles the 2 parties will have to pay attention.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.153  Sparty On  replied to  George @6.2.138    one month ago
If the voting public says "to hell with both of them" we will actually get a person who isn't mentally deficient, and it will send a shockwave through the parties of the likes we have never seen.

Did that once, it helped Clinton get elected the first time.   Never again.    

Not until control of the process is ripped out of the death grip the DNC and RNC have on the process.

Until then, a third party vote, is a wasted vote.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.154  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.148    one month ago
But it will not work in 2024.   You can apply your philosophy this election year and what will end up is the equivalent of you sitting on the sidelines and not voting.

It won't work in the first few election cycles it is done.  Only as more and more people do it will it make a difference.  It has to  be started sometime and if you wait for a good time it will never happen.  It seems all of our elections are to save democracy or for the soul of the nation.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.155  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.151    one month ago

Bingo!

You must have read my posts!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.156  Right Down the Center  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.153    one month ago
Not until control of the process is ripped out of the death grip the DNC and RNC have on the process.

I suggest the only way the death grip is lightened is if more and more people see voting for a third party (if they believe that is the best candidate).  Until the DNC and RNC see their grip bein loosened for them they will not change.  I also suggest this will take several election cycles and admit it might not work at all if more people do not consider viable alternatives and the numbers voting for them grow.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.157  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.142    one month ago
You regularly call Trump a traitor as one example.

Wrong.   I have not stated that Trump is guilty of a crime.   I have stated that based on his actions, he is clearly a traitor.   Learn the difference between an assessment based on evidence vs a criminal finding of guilt.

And I have never called you a liar.   That is another lie.  There is a big difference between calling a statement a lie and calling the author a liar.   Learn the difference.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.158  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.157    one month ago

lol …. Amazing

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.159  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.149    one month ago

Trump's cardinal sin is that he is the biggest asshole in the history of American politics. 

He should just leave the American people the hell alone. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.160  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.153    one month ago
Until then, a third party vote, is a wasted vote.

In 2024 it is clearly a wasted vote.   While shoring up support for a viable third party is the right thing to do, IMO, the fact that Trump has a realistic shot at the presidency is an overriding factor.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.161  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.159    one month ago

I disagree.   His cardinal sin is that he has violated his oath of office substantially more than any other PotUS in our history.   He is a traitor and is unfit for the office.   He is an asshole extraordinaire, no doubt, but those personal qualities are secondary, IMO, to his traitorous actions while in office.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.162  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.160    one month ago
the fact that Trump has a realistic shot at the presidency

Good to hear!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.163  Sparty On  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.156    one month ago

Nearly 20% of the popular vote went to the guy I voted for.

20% ….. think about that for awhile.    Nothing close since.

I agree with your concept but imo it will never happen slowly.    The DC machine will make sure of that.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.164  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.147    one month ago
I was talking more about people voting because someone has a D or R next to their name being too lazy to look at the people available to vote for.  I thought that is who you meant when you said go with the flow.

Then you are, in rare form, actually agreeing with something I wrote.   

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.165  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.162    one month ago
Good to hear!

Sickening to read this .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.166  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.165    one month ago

That's better than the nation continuing to suffer.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
6.2.167  afrayedknot  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.148    one month ago

“He is clearly much worse for this nation than Biden.”

Biden is just another in a long line of politicians who ascended to the top spot as a result of party machinations…regardless of party.

His presumptive opponent, on the other hand, is a delusional lone wolf…with nothing to offer but hate, division, and a selfish disregard for all we hold dear.

We should demand better, but given the reality, we could do much worse than the status quo…as the alternative exposes the very worst of us. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.168  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.143    one month ago
If we use "wrongdoing" they will say that such conduct doesnt rise to a disqualification. 

Yeah but at least we are at a level of looking at the conduct rather than the pathetic little word game that you see.

That said, you probably have noticed that even though I consistently use 'wrongdoing', those who cannot debate will translate that into 'guilt' and then go back to the same old bullshit of 'he was never found guilty'.   

Those without an argument will engage in dishonest tactics no matter what.   There really is only so much one can do when one's interlocutor does not care about honesty.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.169  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.146    one month ago
Oh, like putting words in others mouths and then arguing them?

Another example of a pathetic tactic.   A common tactic when one has made a statement that boxes them into a corner is to deny what they said.   They claim that the semantic equivalent of what they said, or the logical consequences of what they said, is "putting words in their mouth".   If the interlocutor does not write the exact same words, they make this dishonest claim.   And when the interlocutor quotes their words, they claim (sometimes absurdly) that their words mean something entirely different.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.170  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.161    one month ago

I think his assholeishness and his traitorism correspond. 

What he really is is a malignant narcissist who has acquired considerable political power which he misuses every single day. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.171  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.166    one month ago

You seem to have an exaggerated view of suffering when it comes to the Ds in control and an idealistic fantasy of life under the Rs.   

The last think this nation needs is a vindictive asshole narcissist gaining the power of the presidency.   Trump has demonstrated that he will throw the CotUS, the rule of law, democracy, etc. under the bus if it suits him personally.   And you think this abysmal character, when term-limited, surrounded by sycophants will result in a good situation for our nation.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.172  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.151    one month ago
Far be it for me to speak for someone else but I think Tex considers them both traitors

There is a profound difference between considering Biden a traitor because of his border policies (and/or extrapolating allegations of taking money for political favor into actual fact) vs. the overwhelming evidence of Trump's acts during his Big Lie con-job.

One can loosen the meaning of traitor to include both, but one cannot honestly claim that they are even remotely on the same scale.

This would be like comparing a felonious bank robber to a shoplifter and declaring that there is no difference in scale or impact since they are both thieves.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.173  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.169    one month ago
Another example of a pathetic tactic

It certainly is, which is why I always call it out by demanding quotes. Funny thing is, the quotes where I have allegedly stated something never, ever materialize. 

It is indeed a lazy, dishonest, trolling tactic and I am surprised people get away with it.

Maybe next time you CLAIM I stated something, back it up and supply the quotes to prove your claim.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.174  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.154    one month ago
It won't work in the first few election cycles it is done. 

I agree.   2024 is not the year to start.   

By the way, this is not the start anyway.   We have been trying to energize third parties for decades.   It will take a very long time and I am not sure we ever will get there.

In the meantime, we have a very serious situation in 2024.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.2.175  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.171    one month ago
You seem to have an exaggerated view of suffering

And you seem to have an amazing sense of insensitivity to the daily lives of Americans under Biden.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.176  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.172    one month ago

So you prefer Traitor Joe to Traitor Trump, good to know.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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6.2.177  afrayedknot  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.171    one month ago

“You seem to have an exaggerated view of suffering when it comes to the Ds in control and an idealistic fantasy of life under the Rs.”

So, so true.

We don’t know real suffering…and yet some feel compelled, in our privilege, to speak out against anything and everything that in their partisan selfishness offends them. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.178  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.175    one month ago

How is Biden making you suffer Vic? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.179  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.175    one month ago

Another example of your exaggerations.   You seem to ignore the fact that the economy is getting better, inflation is getting back to normal, interest rates are coming down, the stock market (and that means 401ks, etc.) is doing well.

Life is never perfect.   But we are not in 1979 with a high misery index.   

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.180  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @6.2.177    one month ago

People who had to give up their jobs to stay home with their kids when schools were needlessly shut down offends me.

Inflation offends me.

Making people pay more for gasoline offends me.

Millions of people flowing into the country offends me


And YES Americans have suffered under this proxy for the radical left that you and TiG are fine with.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.182  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.176    one month ago
So you prefer Traitor Joe to Traitor Trump, good to know.

I think your labeling Biden a traitor is childish and lame.   

I think your pretending that your unstated justification for calling Biden a traitor compares with the objective, demonstrable evidence supporting labeling Trump a traitor is grossly dishonest and illustrates profound partisan bias.   

But, then again, you might actually not be able to see the difference ... as you have suggested.   If that is the case, there is no reasoning with you.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.183  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.180    one month ago

I will never be fine with suffering.

I will however, disagree with people engaging in partisan-induced hyperbole.

Get real, Vic.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.184  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.179    one month ago

Inflation is still higher than when Biden took office, despite the cheerleading for Bidenomics.

Interest rates still high enough to exclude many from buying a home.

Pretending the economy is fine is partisan nonsense.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.185  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.178    one month ago

Funny you should ask knowing the answers you are going to get if you read and digest continuous polling. BTW, you never ever answered that same basic question when asked how Trump affected you and yours while in office.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.186  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.178    one month ago

I have about a dozen adult Trumpsters in my family. Nieces and nephews and their spouses and my brother and his wife. All Trump supporters all the time. Not one of them suffers a damn thing because of Biden, other than they have to pay taxes. They all have good jobs , nice houses, and good kids. To some extent they all live "the American dream".  One my nieces husband is a deputy of aviation at O'Hare Airport. It is a very good job, but he is a big Trump supporter. 

Many of the fools who invaded the capitol on Jan 6 were middle aged white guys without a damn thing to complain about in their personal lives, other than maybe their neighborhood was becoming too "diversified". 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.187  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.182    one month ago
I think your labeling Biden a traitor is childish and lame

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

think your pretending that your unstated justification for calling Biden a traitor compares with the objective, demonstrable evidence supporting labeling Trump a traitor is grossly dishonest and illustrates profound partisan bias.   

Everyone has an opinion.

But, then again, you might actually not be able to see the difference ... as you have suggested.   If that is the case, there is no reasoning with you.

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.188  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.185    one month ago

As I have told you numerous times, I dont want the biggest asshole in the history of this country leading the country. Call me crazy. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.189  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.188    one month ago

But number 2 is a-ok?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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6.2.190  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.180    one month ago

“Inflation offends me.
Making people pay more for gasoline offends me.
Millions of people flowing into the country offends me”

So you have obviously been offended for decades…that is if you’re honest…for the offense has occurred regardless of the administration du jour. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.191  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.188    one month ago

Sorry that still doesn't answer the question ...............but okay.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.192  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.191    one month ago

Fitness to hold office is the first criteria, not the last. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.193  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.192    one month ago

And, as we have witnessed over the last 8+ years, is also a matter of opinion not shared by all.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.194  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.193    one month ago

Yes you are right. Some people are willing to overlook the fact that Trump tried to overthrow his own government. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.195  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.193    one month ago

It's not a matter of opinion.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
6.2.196  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @6.2.190    one month ago
So you have obviously been offended for decades…that is if you’re honest…for the offense has occurred regardless of the administration du jour. 

2002, 2012, 2022 - Inflation rate - 1.58%, 0.2%, 8%

2002, 2012, 2011 - Avg price of gas - $1.36, $3.40, $4.24

Migrant border crossings in fiscal year 2022 topped 2.76 million, breaking previous record.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.2.197  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.192    one month ago
Fitness to hold office is the first criteria, not the last. 

And yet there is STILL nothing to back up your claim.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.198  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @6.2.104    one month ago

Truth

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
6.2.199  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.194    one month ago

Ya know, I'd like to see some ACTUAL FACTS where Trump has been arrested, charged, tried and convicted of trying to overthrow the government of the U. S.

Show us some of the trial transcripts - charging papers - arrest records - or conviction papers John.

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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
6.2.200  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.195    one month ago

Tell that to 74 million or so people that voted for him in 2020

 
 
 
George
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6.2.201  George  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.200    one month ago
74 million or so people that voted for him

That is one huge backet of deplorables.......LOL

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
6.2.202  afrayedknot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.200    one month ago

“Tell that to 74 million or so people that voted for him in 2020”

In a losing effort.

That he garners such support is simply mind boggling.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.2.203  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  afrayedknot @6.2.202    one month ago

That's 74 million that saw Traitor Joe as the problem he turned out o be.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
6.2.204  afrayedknot  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.2.203    one month ago

“That's 74 million that saw Traitor Joe as the problem he turned out o be”

And still he lost.

And yet trump remains the presumptive nominee. Just what do those 74 million not comprehend? And yes, those numbers are frightening in their ignorance  

He is an absolute abomination and a skid mark staining all we should hold dear. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.205  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.155    one month ago

Read and understood

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.206  Right Down the Center  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.163    one month ago

You may very well be right.  I am not ready to give up on the concept yet.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.207  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.164    one month ago

Miracles can happen, just don't count on them.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.208  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.172    one month ago
but one cannot honestly claim that they are even remotely on the same scale.

Seems some can.  Or they just say a traitor is a traitor is a traitor is a traitor and they don't want to vote for a traitor.  Not sure why you seem to have such an issue with someone honestly thinking like that without being partisan, not honest or the several other names they are called.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.209  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.174    one month ago

It is usually said we have a very serious situation in a presidential voting year.  So if not now, when?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.210  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.141    one month ago
but note that when people have no argument, they zero in on specific words and play semantic games. 

Yes, they sure do.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.211  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @6.2.182    one month ago
dishonest and illustrates profound partisan bias.   

IMO it is kind of hard to call someone partisan if they have said they won't vote for the individual for president.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.212  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.194    one month ago

Do you believe that Trump was actually under the impression that a couple hundred rioters would be enough to keep him in the oval office?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
6.2.213  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.195    one month ago

So it is your opinion that it is not a matter of opinion.  It is my opinion that your opinion that it is not a matter of opinion is not the correct opinion and it is indeed a matter of opinion.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.214  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.208    one month ago

Claiming that Biden is a traitor is, at the onset, absurd hyperbole.   If Biden had serious evidence against him that he took bribes in return for political favors, my statement would be different.   But right now, calling Biden a traitor is hyper-partisan nonsense.  

Trump, in contrast, has mountains of evidence (much publicly available) showing that he violated his oath of office by attempting to circumvent the CotUS and disenfranchise voters through a scheme of fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement.

Equating the two is utter nonsense.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.215  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.209    one month ago
It is usually said we have a very serious situation in a presidential voting year.  So if not now, when?

Any term prior to this would be suitable.   2024 is distinctively NOT suitable.   Good grief man, do you not recognize how bad Trump is for this nation?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.2.216  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  afrayedknot @6.2.204    one month ago
And still he lost.

Still 74 million that didn't buy (and still don't buy) the bullshit.

And yet trump remains the presumptive nominee.

He's lived rent free in the lefts heads since 2015.  There isn't a day that goes by that we don't hear them whining and complaining about how he hurt their feelings.

He is an absolute abomination and a skid mark staining all we should hold dear. 

I agree.  Biden should have been out of politics when Alzheimer's symptoms first appeared.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.217  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.211    one month ago
IMO it is kind of hard to call someone partisan if they have said they won't vote for the individual for president.

Well when you have someone claiming they will not vote for Trump but then defend him at every turn and bash Biden regardless of supporting evidence, that pretty much shows partisan bias.

I cannot claim that such an individual is lying on a social media forum to avoid having to deal with the challenges of voting for Trump, but I see no evidence that supports the claim that he will not vote for Trump.   We merely have his word.

In contrast, I freely criticize Biden (for cause).   I do not engage in petty crap on either side.   You will notice that I do not criticize Trump's features, golf cheating, womanizing, intelligence, etc.   I almost never criticize his policies.   My criticism of Trump has been exclusively on his wrongful acts as PotUS.

I am actively (including financially) supporting Haley for PotUS.   She is a Republican.   I want her (a Republican) to be the next PotUS over Biden (a Democrat).   

Should Haley fail to get the nomination, I will vote for Biden specifically as the most effective way for me to vote against Trump.

Now you show me someone who criticizes and praises both parties (when appropriate), is supporting one party, but will shift to the other party based on specific circumstances and I will likely respect their stated position as a political independent.

But if you show me an individual who almost always sides with one party (regardless of quality of the argument) and routinely (and often unfairly) attacks the other, you almost assuredly have a partisan.   No matter what they claim in terms of their voting.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.218  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.2.212    one month ago
Do you believe that Trump was actually under the impression that a couple hundred rioters would be enough to keep him in the oval office?

It really does not matter what Trump thought.   His schemes were entirely irrational and desperate.   

What matters is what he did.   There is no possible way to excuse creating fake electors as part of a scheme to table SoS certified votes and force Congress to decide the next president.   (Just one of many examples of wrongdoing.)  No matter how unrealistic that scheme was.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.2.219  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.2.216    one month ago
... when Alzheimer's symptoms ...

First, unless you can deliver a diagnosis by a qualified professional, your claim of Alzheimer's symptoms is bullshit.

Second, by the same token — using your loose criteria, do you believe Trump should now get out of running for office?