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All eyes turn to Iowa

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  2 months ago  •  159 comments

All eyes turn to Iowa
“My ancestors have fought in the Revolutionary War, in the Civil War, in the Korean War,” John Brown said. “They would be pretty distressed seeing what Trump wants to do to our democracy.” “I'd like to see Trump get beat however it needs to happen,” Shelly Brown said. “I think she's the person who can do it.”


Today is the day that the GOP will allow Iowans to hold their caucus. The democrats hold it on the same day, but the DNC has seen to it that Joe Biden is virtually unopposed on the democrat side, and it will be that mail-in-ballot formula that has been a big success for democrats. Biden has kind of given Iowa the bird for South Carolina. Iowa is too white, in case you didn't know! Results to the democrat "caucus" will be held until Super Tuesday on March 5 to make sure South Carolina is first. Republican voters will brave below freezing temperatures to perform their civic responsibilities as citizens.

A caucus involves a more complex process than a primary. Voters get together and discuss their interests in a particular candidate. Unlike primaries, caucuses require voters to physically attend specific meetings, and in these days when voting has been made so easy to the lowest common denominator, that means there are lower voter turnouts. Iowa has historically been the launching point for many candidates. Sometimes i provides surprises that help shape campaigns.

This year history may have a new chapter as former President Donald Trump may just set a new record for the Iowa Caucus:

Trump, who has campaigned far less in Iowa than his rivals, hopes to break the record for the biggest margin of victory by a Republican in the caucuses by besting Bob Dole’s 12-point win over Pat Robertson in 1988.

Beyond that, Trump could become the first Republican to win an outright majority of the vote in a multicandidate caucus. With two asterisks, the closest any candidate — Republican or Democrat — has come to a majority was in the 1984 Democratic caucus, when Walter F. Mondale captured 49 percent of the vote to Gary Hart’s 17 percent.

(The asterisks: Tom Harkin won 76 percent in the 1992 caucuses, but only because the other Democratic candidates had ceded Iowa to him because he was a popular senator from the state. In 2000, Al Gore won 63 percent, but that was a two-person race, against Bill Bradley.)

Trump aims to break caucus records, but Iowa sometimes surprises (msn.com)

That would give Trump something to really crow about. After all, he didn't even campaign much in Iowa!

 


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Here is one of the candidates battling for 2nd:

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Time for a hot coffee

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

bfd. when's the last time those rwnj dirt scratchers have actually picked a candidate, that wasn't an incumbent, that even made it to the ballot in a national election? the iowa rwnj primary is better suited to picking the candidate who won't ever be elected POTUS.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 months ago

So, let's get rid of it?

It sounds so democratic.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 months ago

trumpsters have demonstrated that they don't know the meaning of that word for over 7+ years.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    2 months ago

Who are the people you call "Trumpsters?"  And what makes them undemocratic?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    2 months ago

any trump supporter after 1/6/21...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1.4    2 months ago

it's unbelievable to me that the former 'president' has any supporters whatsoever after 1/6/21

 
 
 
evilone
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1.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago
Here is one of the candidates battling for 2nd:

FYI - A recent poll found 43% of her supporters would vote for Biden if Trump was the nominee.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @1.2    2 months ago

I'm sure they would do it holding their noses. Yesterday Joe Manchin said he might give the people an alternative. He will wait until Super Tuesday to make a decision. He wants to judge how things stand then.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.2.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    2 months ago
Yesterday Joe Manchin said he might give the people an alternative.

Would you honestly vote for Manchin over Trump in a general election?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @1.2    2 months ago
recent poll found 43% of her supporters would vote for Biden if Trump was the nominee.

Yes, a significant amount of Haley's support comes from Democratic voters crossing over. Many would probably vote for Biden over Haley.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @1.2.2    2 months ago

I'm not one of the people who detests both of the major party nominees. There are many people who hate the current choice.

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They are the people who think both political parties have become too extreme.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.4    2 months ago

It is sad that the 5 or 10% of the wackadoodles of each party is taking everyone else along for the ride.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2.5    2 months ago

I understand that argument, however the country has been pulled way over to the left in the past 3 years. I need a candidate that will correct that.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.6    2 months ago

Yes, hopefully without taking us too far right.  After showing his true colors not only can Joe not run on his record but he can't run as a moderate or as someone that will unite us.  MAGA bad is all he has left.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2.7    2 months ago

Certain leftwing media outlets are already promising to go "full Hitler" once Trump gets the nomination.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.2.9  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.8    2 months ago

Certain leftwing media outlets are already promising to go "full Hitler" once Trump gets the nomination.

List them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.9    2 months ago

I'd love to see that list.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @1.2.9    2 months ago

Still waiting on that list.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.3  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago
Here is one of the candidates battling for 2nd:

I'm wondering why she's even bothering to run. It seems so obvious to me that Trump will get the nomination-- and by a large margin. 

I think many times candidates run in a Presidential primary even when they know they don't have a chance of winning-- because they hope the winner will pick them for Vice President-- or even a cabinet position. 

But Trump may be too angry at her for running against him...?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    2 months ago

The Republican Party in Iowa is heavily MAGA, that is all one needs to consider about this. If Ronald Reagan was running against Trump,  Trump would get 60 percent. 

Iowa is a state of small cities and corn fields, it does not have a single "large" city.  There is no urban or even suburban culture to speak of. Which it makes it extremely fertile ground for the MAGA mentality. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

I think you just insulted the entire state of Iowa, one does not need to live in the urban quagmire to be an informed and educated participant in the election process in my view.

The electorate breakdown actually looks like this - 

Iowa has a total of 2,348,787 eligible voters1. According to the latest data available, there are 727,977 registered Republicans, 700,430 registered Democrats, and 678,188 registered No Party voters2. The remaining 242,192 eligible voters are not registered with any party.

There is no urban or even suburban culture to speak of. Which it makes it extremely fertile ground for the MAGA mentality. 

A radical, almost racist generalization which is ignorant and wrong, the opposite of which

The congested and economically blighted neighborhoods of our large cities are fertile ground for the socialist mentality is equally ignorant and wrong

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1    2 months ago
A radical, almost racist generalization which is ignorant and wrong, the opposite of which

The opposite of "which" what? 

I havent made "racist" comments about this I have stated facts. Des Moines , Iowa's largest city, is the 111th most populous city in the country. It has less population than Modesto California, Laredo Texas, or Ft Wayne Indiana. Iowa's best claim to an urbane culture is at the University of Iowa. 

What the heck is "radical" about what I said? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1    2 months ago

Another solid no frills logical argument. Bob, have you ever noticed those who get upset with that kind of argument?

One thing JR may be right about. The state of Iowa has become a dependably red voting state. Notice that John doesn't talk about the way Joe Biden snubbed it.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.1.3  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 months ago

You make the point, intentionally or by implication that rural populations are too ignorant to think for themselves and flock to MAGA.

That's what's radical about that.

I was pointing out that, as usual, the broad generalization that you make with your comment is wrong.

Trump is likely to win in the Iowa Republican caucuses - I will agree with you on that point

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.1.4  afrayedknot  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1.3    2 months ago

“…the broad generalization…”

…pervades every aspect of every conversation on every topic…to no one’s benefit except those attempting to justify a self serving partisan attack.

We must be better engaging in the necessary debate…lest the apathy that will surely follow the vitriol leaves us vulnerable to the fringes on either side… taking turns destroying the strength silently hidden in our commonality. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    2 months ago
Bob, have you ever noticed those who get upset with that kind of argument?

Who's upset ? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    2 months ago

I see two people who are rather upset here. Didn't you hear Donna Brazile yesterday?  She said democrats never fought for Iowa. Maybe that's the problem. According to the figures Bob provided, Iowa was certainly winnable.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1.3    2 months ago
You make the point, intentionally or by implication that rural populations are too ignorant to think for themselves and flock to MAGA.

Are you saying that MAGA's cant think for themselves?  Shocking. 

Donald Trump is a traitor, and this is really barely disputed by anyone who wants to talk facts. There are a lot of MAGA, including people on this forum, who hem and haw and offer up a bunch of DENIAL. 

We are in election year now, no more time for denying reality. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.4    2 months ago

Gee, that makes sense. You seemed to have aimed it in the wrong direction.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    2 months ago
I see two people who are rather upset here

Maybe you dont see so good. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.1.10  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 months ago

 Iowa's best claim to an urbane culture is at the University of Iowa. 

I am sure that those at the University of Iowa will be pleased with your description of them as urbane, which means " courteous and refined in manner "

In my experience traveling through Iowa I found all of the people to be urbane unless provoked

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Vic Eldred
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2.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.9    2 months ago

I can see the avatar clearly. It speaks volumes. Btw I tuned into MSNBC when those air strikes were taking place. They were only talking about one thing. It seems there are a lot of angry people in that audience. The funny thing is that everything is going their way.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.1.12  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    2 months ago

Actually John, the point i am making is that as usual you make the hasty generalization that all Iowans are mindless country bumpkins following MAGA out of ignorance.

The generalization, as usual, detracts from any actual point you try to make as you pontificate.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1.12    2 months ago

John forgot deplorable in his descriptions.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1.12    2 months ago
Actually John, the point i am making is that as usual you make the hasty generalization that all Iowans are mindless country bumpkins following MAGA out of ignorance.

I didnt say that, what I was saying is that Iowa is predisposed toward MAGA ism. Is MAGA an ideology that appeals to ignorance?   Trump is now and has always been the most unfit major party presidential candidate in American history.  Yet he has dominated Republican politics for 8 years now.  Explain that. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.7    2 months ago
and this is really barely disputed by anyone who wants to talk facts.

Your opinion is he is a traitor (using the colloquial definition) and you are welcome to it.  The facts are he has never been charged or convicted of being a traitor.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.14    2 months ago
Explain that. 

A backlash at being ignored by elites.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.11    2 months ago
I can see the avatar clearly. It speaks volumes

Good , I'm glad you like it, it is one of my better recent creations. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.18  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.16    2 months ago

They couldnt backlash against elites without supporting the most unfit candidate in history?  No other Republican on earth could do it but Trump? LOL.

Here is the word you leave out  - "birtherism". Trumps main appeal in 2016 was to white grievance. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.17    2 months ago
it is one of my better recent creations. 

It is at least an honest one.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.1.20  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    2 months ago

“You seemed to have aimed it in the wrong direction.”

No, vic…it was aimed at all of us. Myself included. I responded to the gentleman in Ohio because I believe he gets it. It’s painfully obvious too many here do not. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.21  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.20    2 months ago

The gentleman from Ohio needs no such advice.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.22  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.18    2 months ago
They couldnt backlash against elites without supporting the most unfit candidate in history?  No other Republican on earth could do it but Trump? LOL.

They did it for Obama in 2008.  LOL

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.1.23  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.21    2 months ago

It was not advice that was offered, just a confirmation of his intentions.

I agreed with him. You would see that if you could only take a moment out of your busy agenda to consider the context, but you seem to be on a roll, so do go on and on and on…only confirming the original point. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.24  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.18    2 months ago

I guess that “birtherism” had a strong appeal to the former dem votes in the upper Midwest.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.25  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.23    2 months ago
just a confirmation

That was a great confirmation coming from you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.26  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.24    2 months ago

From the time Hillary Clinton, who was first to use it, it apparently never died out.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.1.27  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.25    2 months ago

“…coming from you.”

Coming from me? What does that even mean?

You don’t know me. If you did, you might even enjoy my company. But I know you…

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.28  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @2.1.27    2 months ago
You don’t know me.

We became acquainted on a Babylon Bee article if you recall.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.29  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.15    2 months ago
The facts are he has never been charged or convicted of being a traitor.

If we had seen with our own eyes Trump shoot an unarmed person in the middle of 5th Avenue, but for whatever reason he was yet to be convicted of it, would you still expect people to vote for him? The idea that he has to be "convicted" in order to be completely unfit is absurd. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.30  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.29    2 months ago

Wha?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.31  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.30    2 months ago

"Guilty in the court of liberal opinion".

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.32  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.29    2 months ago

The comment I was responding to (and what I was talking about)was about him being a traitor, not being fit or unfit or murdering someone.  Poor attempt to move the goal posts to the absurd.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.33  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.30    2 months ago

Just moving the goal posts.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.34  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.31    2 months ago

In that case they should be very, very afraid...

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He is rising again!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.35  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.33    2 months ago
Just moving the goal posts.

It seems our readers agree:

don't let him spin it, Vic

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JohnRussell
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2.1.36  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.32    2 months ago
The comment I was responding to (and what I was talking about)was about him being a traitor, not being fit or unfit or murdering someone.  Poor attempt to move the goal posts to the absurd.

Its called an analogy, a technique used in discussions or "arguments" on a daily basis. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.37  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.30    2 months ago

Someone doesnt have to be convicted to be unfit for office. The idea is ridiculous. Besides, a lot of maga say they will vote for him even if he is convicted before the election. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.38  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.36    2 months ago

Do you have any analogies to him as President?

You know, the policies that secured the border, and generated a prosperous economy, kept energy prices low, enforced fair trades deals and kept the world at peace.

Anything on that?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.39  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.36    2 months ago
Its called an analogy, a technique used in discussions or "arguments" on a daily basis. 

In many cases it is called trying to compare apples and oranges (like trying to compare an opinion of being a traitor with a factual murder)and is intellectual dishonesty

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.40  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.37    2 months ago
Besides, a lot of maga say they will vote for him even if he is convicted before the election. 

And a lot more say they won't. That is why the attempt to convict him of just about anything before the election is so damn obvious.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.41  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.37    2 months ago
Someone doesnt have to be convicted to be unfit for office.

No one ever said he does.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.42  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.18    2 months ago
"Here is the word you leave out  - "birtherism". Trumps main appeal in 2016 was to white grievance."

Not true and you know it. It was Hillary who started the birther claim. Obama himself once stated in a bio that he was born in Kenya. The main criticism of Obama at the time was that he intentionally obscured the details of his early years and claimed much that turned out not to be true. White grievance had nothing to do with it.

Did Obama's Literary Agent Say He Was Born in Kenya? | Snopes.com

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.43  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.40    2 months ago

Although Trump announced his candidacy historically early, it was well after he was susceptible to indictment for his actions post 2020 election. He announced at Thanksgiving 2022 , two years before the election, precisely to try and ward off indictments that he knew were coming. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.44  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.42    2 months ago
It was Hillary who started the birther claim.

Conspiracy nut lie. 

Obama himself once stated in a bio that he was born in Kenya.

More lies. 

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JohnRussell
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2.1.45  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.42    2 months ago

You are so far out of your depth to discuss these things it isnt even funny. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.46  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.43    2 months ago

Or maybe it was to get his campaign financing engine in action as his Save America PAC has spend many millions on his legal defenses.  As of October last year, the PAC had spent $37 million on law firms and individual lawyers.

And before anybody jumps on how spending campaign money on personal issues is illegal, (bolding below is mine to highlight)

Campaign finance experts say using the money to pay for lawyers in cases not related to the campaign or officeholder duties appears to conflict with a federal ban on the personal use of donor dollars, even though the Federal Election Commission has ruled the prohibition doesn’t apply to so-called leadership political action committees.

Trump spends millions in donor cash on attorneys as legal woes grow | AP News

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.47  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.45    2 months ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.49  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.48    2 months ago

“While it’s true that some of her ardent supporters pushed the theory,”

What kind of friends does she have.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.50  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.47    2 months ago

A lot of people do, but not too many of them seem to be on this forum. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.51  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.50    2 months ago

Well, none that you appear to acknowledge, anyway.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.52  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.47    2 months ago

Generally speaking people that agree with someones position are often considered as knowledgeable and people that don't agree with the position are seen as ignorant or not as knowledgeable.  After all how could someone not come to the same conclusion unless they were just not as knowledgeable.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.53  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.52    2 months ago

I have asked virtually every conservative on this site to tell us what they "know" about the post election period in 2020 including Jan 6th.  So far not one taker. Not one. 

They didnt watch the J6 committee and thus dont know what that committee found.  So please tell us how "knowledgeable" such people are. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.54  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.53    2 months ago
I have asked virtually every conservative on this site to tell us what they "know" about the post election period in 2020 including Jan 6th.  So far not one taker. Not one. 

Guess you don’t include an independent like me as I have written about watching 6 Jan from a hospital bed with a Greek Exchange Doctor and how ashamed and embarrassed I was. 
 
I’ve watched or read the committee’s findings and applauded the prosecution and sentencing of participants.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.55  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.53    2 months ago
They didnt watch the J6 committee and thus dont know what that committee found. 

Did they say they didn't watch it or are you just making an assumption because they don't want to answer you and see your rant one more time?

I have seen several say what they saw and what they thought about what they saw.  You sure you don't just ignore it because they seem to come to a different conclusion than you do?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.56  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.55    2 months ago

I'll go with 'erroneous assumption' based on nothing more than someone daring to have a different opinion.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.57  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.55    2 months ago

whatever. people who want to beat biden and knew trump was innocent would say something. they dont because they cant, they dont have the information on their side. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.58  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.56    2 months ago

by all means give us some facts to support your "opinions". 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.59  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.57    2 months ago
whatever.

Not whatever. 

Too many assumptions made about Republicans, conservatives, and especially Trump supporters, most of them hilariously wrong.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.60  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.58    2 months ago
by all means give us some facts to support your "opinions". 

I'll start as soon as you can do so without insults..

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.61  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.59    2 months ago
Too many assumptions made about Republicans, conservatives, and especially Trump supporters, most of them hilariously wrong.

you have a chance to prove it. lets see it. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
2.1.62  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.57    2 months ago
whatever.

Great argument

they dont because they cant

One hell of an assumption.  Reminds me of the saying "If you have no facts just make things up".

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.63  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.61    2 months ago
you have a chance to prove it. lets see it. 

And you have a chance every day to prove you aren't Trump-obsessed, let's see it.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
2.1.64  Robert in Ohio  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.14    2 months ago
what I was saying is that Iowa is predisposed toward MAGA ism. Is MAGA an ideology that appeals to ignorance?

Again, your generalization depicts Iowans as easily led idiots, which they are not.

When you find yourself in a hole, quite digging

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
2.1.65  Thomas  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.62    2 months ago
One hell of an assumption.

Prove his contention (they don't because they can't present evidence of his innocence) is false. You do know how, don't you? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.66  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2.1.64    2 months ago

Apparently they are, and that's 'quit'.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
2.1.67  Right Down the Center  replied to  Thomas @2.1.65    2 months ago

His contention

He can provide proof

Do you use insults to try and hide the fact you have a weak or non existent argument? 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
2.1.68  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.37    2 months ago
Besides, a lot of maga say they will vote for him even if he is convicted before the election.

Agreed.

In fact, I bet that even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue-- he'd still get elected!

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
2.1.69  Thomas  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.67    2 months ago

If you are on the other side of the argument, you must present facts that disprove his contention. Otherwise, you are just going "nuh-uh". Positive proof is required from one disputing because his contention was that you could not show evidence. Can you or can you not provide evidence of his innocence to the charges? 

Do you use insults to try and hide the fact you have a weak or non existent argument? 

I did not insult you. I asked you a question. If you cannot handle the question, that is indicative of a negative answer. Your problem, not mine.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.70  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.46    2 months ago

Yeah, billionaires always rely on their supporters to fund their campaigns and to pay their legal fees.

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Snuffy
Professor Participates
2.1.71  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.70    2 months ago

Yeah, just like most politicians and most sports team owners. They seldom use their own money when they can get someone else to pay for things.  Gee, who else do we know that gets others to pay their bills for them?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago
The Republican Party in Iowa is heavily MAGA

If it is, Donald Trump made it so. The New York Times disagrees. This morning the Times said it was mostly moderate Republican.


Iowa is a state of small cities and corn fields, it does not have a single "large" city.  There is no urban or even suburban culture to speak of. Which it makes it extremely fertile ground for the MAGA mentality. 

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afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
2.2.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    2 months ago

“…the leftist slime…”

…duly noted, summarily dismissed.

Until the day you realize such taunting is counterproductive you only contribute to the dysfunction…’tis sad that you seem to find some level of comfort in doing so. Sleep well. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  afrayedknot @2.2.1    2 months ago
Until the day you realize such taunting is counterproductive you only contribute to the dysfunction…’tis sad that you seem to find some level of comfort in doing so. Sleep well. 

People like this are not going to change. They think they are losing "their" country. If anything they will get worse as the nation becomes more diverse. They have to be defeated at the ballot box until father time has his say. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
2.2.3  afrayedknot  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    2 months ago

“They think they are losing "their" country.”

Forgetting everything our country was founded upon, everyone who sacrificed to protect it, and everybody who has a stake in seeing it succeed. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
2.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @2.2.3    2 months ago
everybody who has a stake in seeing it succeed

Travel around the rust belt, and Appalachia, it doesn’t look like success.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
2.2.5  afrayedknot  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.4    2 months ago

“..:it doesn’t look like success.”

Never, ever proposed we have succeeded.

Just reminding those who conveniently discount the promise that it takes hard cooperative work…not divisive harsh words, and never partisan false equivalencies. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @2.2.5    2 months ago

Do you ever direct those comments to posters calling Trump supporters racists, or calling conservatives fascists, or 'thumpers'?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.2.7  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.6    2 months ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @2.2.7    2 months ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.9  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @2.2.7    2 months ago

they feel picked on, therefore they dont need facts, good arguments or logic.     

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.9    2 months ago
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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    2 months ago
They have to be defeated at the ballot box until father time has his say. 

Thus, the need to replace them with foreign voters.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2.2.12  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    2 months ago
In other words, decent Americans unlike the leftist slime that took over our institutions and is at odds with most of America.

''Leftist slime,'' my you have a way with words I hope that comment made you feel better since it really does make one look quite childish or shows a total lack of respect for other humans since the generalization of yours cover millions of people. 

Get out the coloring books.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

All of the above leaves us only two takeaways from the Iowa Caucus:

1) The historic candidacy of Donald Trump. He is set for the third time to easily win a GOP Presidential nomination. (move over FDR) And he is doing it despite the greatest election interference campaign since Sergei Kirov had thoughts about challenging Joe Stalin.

2) The battle between Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis for the alternative to Trump. Each now has about 20% of the vote according to polls with Vivek Ramaswamy a distant 4th holding about 10% of the vote. (add those up and you have 50% of the vote)

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 months ago

'Election interference campaign'??????????????????

That's hilarious

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
4.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 months ago

“…election interference campaign…”

You have no clue as to the extent our elections are conducted and protected from those that would by such partisan words call them into question. Get involved in the process or shut your mouth. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @4.2    2 months ago

It's the revenge and retribution campaign.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
4.2.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.1    2 months ago

How far we have come from ‘speak softly but carry a big stick…’

It is now crow loudly with a limp dick…

…and that not only defines the presumptive, preposterous nominee, but all the ignorant apologists in his condescending cult. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  afrayedknot @4.2.2    2 months ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

In other news:

After being caught in an affair and meeting with Joe Biden, Fani Willis is now crying racism


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Fulton County DA Fani Willis blames misconduct allegations on racism - Washington Examiner

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
5.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    2 months ago

Why didn't Trump think of that?  That's some argument to get out of charges of corruption. "You cannot expect a white man to be perfect and save the world.  We need to be allowed to stumble. We need grace.”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1    2 months ago
"You cannot expect a white man to be perfect and save the world.  We need to be allowed to stumble. We need grace.”

Yup, that cracked me up!

I believe that is two trials that have now been discredited.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    2 months ago
I believe that is two trials that have now been discredited.

in your dreams

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    2 months ago

In the end all the election interference may just backfire.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.3    2 months ago

What election interference?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
5.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    2 months ago

She surely isn't following MLK's legacy and vision. She should be ashamed.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
6  Sean Treacy    2 months ago

If the polls are accurate, the race is pretty much over unless is Trump has some sort of health issue that causes him to withdraw.   Someone needs to be within 10 points for any thought of a race to develop. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Just in:

The defender of "democracy" intends to go around the Supreme Court.

President Biden vows not to 'back down', says he's going around the Supreme Court ruling to deliver debt relief to American students. He just wrote, "In the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision on our student debt relief plan, we are continuing to use every tool at our disposal to deliver student debt relief to as many borrowers as possible as quickly as possible. I won’t back down."

‘I won’t back down’: Biden cancels loan debt for 6.9M students in SCOTUS work-around (bizpacreview.com)


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Snuffy
Professor Participates
7.1  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    2 months ago

Well of course he is going to try, after all it's an election year and this is another partisan attempt to drum up votes for him. I find it amazing that the continued push to offer something to different groups that none of these groups seem to think how a good thing for one group can negatively impact other groups. These loans are not really deleted, they are just paid by other groups.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @7.1    2 months ago
they are just paid by other groups.

In this case by those not fortunate enough to have the kind of educations that entitle people to comfortable salaries.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
7.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    2 months ago

It sounds like he is committing a criminal act....a high crime and misdemeanor.  He should be impeached.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
7.2.1  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2    2 months ago
It sounds like he is committing a criminal act.

Except he's not. He's changing how and where the money comes from so it won't be a criminal act. If it were we'd be having the conversation on House impeachment proceedings. The only thing I've heard from House Republicans is on the cost not the legality. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
7.3  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    2 months ago
The defender of "democracy" intends to go around the Supreme Court.

Well, as trump has said, as president, he can do whatever he wants. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @7.3    2 months ago

At least as much as Biden has.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
7.3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @7.3    2 months ago

It is funny that their only defense of Biden is to equate him to trump, the man who they’ve been in hysterics about for years.   Great point you made, Biden is the same as the guy you accuse of being a traitor.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.4  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    2 months ago

Gee, that would earn a "TRAITOR" label had Trump said it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @7.4    2 months ago

I know, kind of like the old chatty Kathy dolls. You don't even need to pull the string.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
7.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    2 months ago

 Biden actually does what they accused  trunk of doing.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.5    2 months ago

They always project.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.5.2  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.5    2 months ago

who is trunk?

it is not we who are guilty of projection, no indeedy

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

One other thing, in honor of today:

I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

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Happy Martin Luther King Day.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    2 months ago

Right wingers have been trying to appropriate MLK for the past few years but nobody is buying it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    2 months ago
Right wingers have been trying to appropriate MLK for the past few years but nobody is buying it. 

How does that relate in any way, shape, or fashion to the post you responded to??

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    2 months ago

American Marxists have desperately tried to counteract those words above.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    2 months ago

Nyet, Nein

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
8.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    2 months ago
Right wingers have been trying to appropriate MLK

MLK belongs to a side?  How do you think he would feel about that?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
8.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.1.4    2 months ago
MLK belongs to a side? 

Exactly, when I was a kid and my out of state cousins would come to visit, they always asked me, “Who’s side are you going to be on this time”.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8.1.6  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.2    2 months ago
American Marxists have desperately tried to counteract those words above.

Unfortunately, it was white America that was the impetus for MLK voicing those great words.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
8.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @8.1.5    2 months ago

I had an uncle that would take the side of the side he thought was losing.  He was a riot, especially when we ( the boys) would go camping.  Cocktail time started at precisely noon.  He might change sides 3 or 4 times by midnight.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
8.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    2 months ago

If only that was sincere. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
8.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  afrayedknot @8.2    2 months ago

Proof that it is not?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
8.2.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.1    2 months ago

And you choose to answer for another?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
8.2.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  afrayedknot @8.2.2    2 months ago

Asking for myself.  Pretty sure this is an open forum.

Care to show proof or is deflection all you can do?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
8.2.4  afrayedknot  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.3    2 months ago

Not sure your motivation here.

Please feel free to share as one seemingly must…but do so in knowing anything, anything said is taken for what it is…

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
8.2.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  afrayedknot @8.2.4    2 months ago

So just a senseless comment. Got it

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
8.2.6  afrayedknot  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.5    2 months ago

“Got it.”

Oh, we got it. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.3  CB  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    2 months ago

When republicans stop judging people on the basis of their political character: 'ring me.'  And stop quoting Dr. King out of context. Dr. King is a civil rights icon - nothing he ever vocalized for the cause is meant to be mantra for conservatism. After-all, a civil rights leader, Dr. King was by definition, strove to bring into reality that which was not the status quo of his time.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
9  Nerm_L    2 months ago

I still contend that the 2024 election is Nikki Haley's to win or lose.  Remember that Ted Cruz challenged Trump throughout the 2016 primaries; Trump's support is still a mixed bag.  Haley can gain ground in the early states and IMO Haley has an advantage on Super Tuesday.

Chris Christie crashed and burned simply because his campaign was all Trump, all the time.  DeSantis has lost his way and no longer runs on anything relevant.  IMO Haley has the experience to run on the issues and dodge Trump.  Haley can go the distance just like Cruz did.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
9.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Nerm_L @9    2 months ago

I hope so. And Cruz would be good choice as vice president, in my opinion. Vivek would be a be excellent as Secretary of State.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @9.1    2 months ago
Vivek would be a be excellent as Secretary of State.

If you want to make the rest of the world laugh at us. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
9.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @9.1    2 months ago
And Cruz would be good choice as vice president

As long as they move the WH to CanCun. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Junior Guide
9.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.1    2 months ago

Hate to break it with you but the world is laughing at bend over Joe already.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @9.1    2 months ago
Vivek would be a be excellent as Secretary of State.

Unbelievable.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
9.1.5  Freewill  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.4    2 months ago
Vivek would be a be excellent as Secretary of State.
Unbelievable.

Well he dropped out of the primary yesterday.  Will be interesting to see what he jockeys for now.  I could live with Haley as the presidential nominee, and maybe even Cruz as VP, but Vivek just endorsed Trump and is over the top about it.  That leaves me not even wanting to see him in a janitorial role at the White House.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Freewill @9.1.5    2 months ago

Vivek was, IMO, always running for V.P. (or some cabinet position in a Trump administration).   This is exactly what I expected.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
10  Mark in Wyoming     2 months ago

No surprise, CBS reporting with 90%of the vote in Trump takes Iowa, looks to be a race for 2nd between Desantis and Haley, I'm thinking who ever comes in 3rd and 4th are done.

 
 

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