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Pressure for pauses and the end of a noble crusade.

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  5 months ago  •  115 comments

Pressure for pauses and the end of a noble crusade.
"I didn't get a chance to talk to him today. I did ask him for a pause in the past — yesterday. Still waiting to hear," the president said before the rest of his comments became inaudible.

Link to Quote: Biden says he asked Netanyahu for a pause in fighting on Monday (msn.com)

ANNOUNCER:

From NBC News in Washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is Meet the Press with Kristen Welker.

Yesterday on "Meet the Press" were two noteworthy guests. The first was Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. One could see immediately before he spoke that he was well aware that he was not on Fox News. Kristen Welker asked him every pointed question imaginable. 

The answers during other times would have been accepted as completely logical:

KRISTEN WELKER:

We really appreciate your being here. This is our first chance to talk to you since the horrific attack by Hamas against Israel on October 7th. Of course, now the ground offensive to eradicate Hamas is underway. Mr. Prime Minister, can you tell us, how will you know when you have achieved your objective, and how close are you to that goal?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

We've set a specific target. That is to destroy Hamas's military capabilities and to destroy its governance capabilities over the 2 million people that it holds hostage in Gaza. That is something that we are achieving step by step, and I assure you we'll complete the task.

If you want peace, destroy Hamas. If you want security, destroy Hamas. If you want a future for Israel, the Palestinians, the Middle East, destroy Hamas. We're absolutely intent on achieving it and what I can tell you, Kristen, is given the extraordinary performance of the Israeli Army in the last few days, the last few weeks, we're going to achieve it. We'll do it with as few civilian casualties as we can, and with maximum casualties on the Hamas terrorists, which we're achieving day by day, hour by hour. We will complete the task. Victory.

KRISTEN WELKER:

Do you think it will take months? Will it take years? What should people be expecting?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

I don't think it's going to take the time that it took the United States and the International Coalition to defeat ISIS or to defeat Al Qaeda. It took you many years. I don't think it's going to be many years. But I've set targets and not a deadline. And we're proceeding as quickly as we can, but also as carefully as we can. Because we want to minimize civilian casualties, and we want to minimize casualties on our side, while maximizing the casualties of the Hamas terrorists. And we're actually achieving both. I would say the ground offensive that we began is actually reducing the amount of civilian casualties because the population, the civilian population in Gaza is heeding our call to vacate the territories, the zone of fighting, get out of harm's way, even though Hamas is trying to keep them in harm's way. We're succeeding in that. So the level of civilian casualties is coming down, importantly, and our military successes are coming up. That's important as well.

KRISTEN WELKER:

Let's talk about what's happening at Al-Shifa Hospital. There are reports that there's been a loss of power, which has caused the death of patients and even some infants. And I know that Israel has said Hamas is headquartered there. Even if that is the case, does that justify jeopardizing the lives of sick people and babies, Mr. Prime Minister?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

On the contrary, we offered, actually, last night to give them enough fuel to operate the hospital, operate the incubators and so on, because we have obviously no battle with patients or with civilians at all. And I think every civilian death, every dead baby is a tragedy. But that tragedy should be placed squarely at the responsibility of Hamas that is keeping its military installations inside hospitals, its command posts inside hospitals, inside schools, inside UNRWA, UN facilities, and so on. So we obviously don't want to give them immunity, but at the same time, we're sensitive to this issue. So we offered this help. They refused it. I've offered something else. I've said let's build field hospitals. I asked the Emirates. I asked the French president to send a floating hospital ship. We've asked other countries too, the UNRWA and so on, "Build field hospitals. Let's move the patients out of these Hamas command posts in the hospitals to these safe places." So far they've moved a few patients. Not enough. I hope more will move. We're trying to deal with this as carefully as we can while not giving sanctuary to Hamas.

KRISTEN WELKER:

Let's talk about the hostages. There are reports that there is a possible deal that would involve getting out women and children and the elderly. How close are you to reaching a deal to get more of the hostages out?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

Well, Kristen, I can say that we weren't close at all until we started the ground operation. In fact, we heard that there's an impending deal of this kind or that kind and then we learned that it was all "hoka." It was nothing. But the minute we started the ground operation, things began to change.

KRISTEN WELKER:

So is there a potential deal?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

And the pressure –

KRISTEN WELKER:

Mr. Prime Minister, is there a potential deal?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

There could be, but I think the less I say about it the more I'll increase the chances that it materializes. And it's a result of pressure, military pressure, the extraordinary work that the IDF is doing. Putting pressure on the Hamas leadership. That's the one thing that might create a deal and if a deal is available, well, we'll talk about it when it's there. We'll announce it if it's achieved.

KRISTEN WELKER:

Do you know where all of the hostages are being held right now, Mr. Prime Minister?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

We know a great deal. But I won't go beyond that.

KRISTEN WELKER:

Okay. There are a lot of mixed messages, as you know, coming out about what has been agreed to as it relates to humanitarian pauses. Can you be very clear for our audience, what has Israel agreed to in terms of daily humanitarian pauses? Have you agreed to four-hour daily pauses?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

Yeah, let me be clear on what we agreed on and what we don't agree on. What we don't agree on is give a ceasefire to Hamas, with the exception of one intended for the release of our hostages. We're going to continue this to the end. We have to have victory. There's no substitute for victory, and we'll destroy Hamas, again, for our sake and for the sake of peace in the future. But in addition to that, we're fighting a war in which we are trying, doing our best in a way that very few armies have done, to give a safe corridor for civilians to get out of harm's way. As we're doing that, Hamas is firing on the safe corridors that we're giving to the Palestinian civilians. So against all these obstacles, we're still calling on civilians to leave. And for that, we create pauses – that is, a four-hour pause, three-hour pause and this in a particular area while the fighting proceeds elsewhere, to let the civilians out of harm's way. That's what we've been doing. We've been doing it through the cooperation with President Biden and the administration. And I think it's the right thing to do. We've created a humanitarian safe zone in southwest Gaza below the fighting area, south of the fighting area. We've pushed in humanitarian aid to help those civilians. And I think it's a combination of the two things: fight Hamas, don't give them safe haven, but allow those Palestinian civilian populations to reach a safe zone.

Meet the Press - November 12, 2023 (nbcnews.com)

In the end it was about who will run Gaza after the war:

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

I think that the only force right now that can guarantee that Hamas, that terrorism does not reappear and take over Gaza again is the Israeli military. So overall military responsibility will have to be in Israel. As far as the civilian management of Gaza, we need to see the following two things: Gaza has to be demilitarized and Gaza has to be de-radicalized. And I think so far we haven't seen any Palestinian force, including the Palestinian Authority, that is able to do it. They teach their children to hate Israel. They're not fighting terrorists. They're paying for slaying. That is, the more terrorists – the more Palestinian terrorists murder Jews, the more they get paid. And to this day, 36 days after the worst savagery perpetrated on the Jewish people since the Holocaust, the Palestinian Authority president has yet – refuses to condemn the savagery. So we need a different authority. We need a different administration.

KRISTEN WELKER:

Who would that be?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

There has to be Israeli – a military envelope.

KRISTEN WELKER:

Who would that be?

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

I think it's too early to say.

KRISTEN WELKER:

Okay.

BENJAMIN NETANYAHU:

Kristen, I think it's too early to say, but I can say one thing. The first task we have to achieve is defeat Hamas. The first task the Allies had to achieve before they could reconstruct Germany was to defeat the Nazis. These, as the German chancellor said, are the new Nazis. We'll defeat them. And then we'll work to have a demilitarized and a de-radicalized Gaza, which will give hope to these people. They're living under 16 years of horrendous tyrannical rule of Hamas. We'll liberate them and we'll liberate ourselves from this horror, this scourge of barbarism that plagues not only us. It's not only our war. Kristen, it's your war, too. It's the war of civilization against barbarism. We have to win it, and we will.

Meet the Press - November 12, 2023 (nbcnews.com)


Then came the guest that has been presiding over the GNC over three horrendous election cycles: Ronna McDaniel. Cutting to the chafe, here was the key question:

KRISTEN WELKER:

All right. Well, let's talk about one of the core issues, which we talked about with the candidates earlier this week: the issue of abortion. I want to put the same question to you that we asked them, which is: Given the losses that you saw on Tuesday, given the losses that we saw in the midterms, what is the path forward for Republicans on the issue of abortion, both in terms of messaging and policy?

RONNA McDANIEL:

You know, Kristen, I'm very passionate about this. I'm a suburban woman. I saw this in 2022 as Chair of the RNC. I actually put a memo out letting our candidates know this is a big issue. I think I probably took it more seriously than some others because I have suburban mom friends. This is my community. Listen, we have to talk compassionately. We can't attack women. We also have to define ourselves before the Democrats define us. And this is my number one message: if you're digging yourself out of a hole, you're going to lose. But if you go on TV and you say to the American people, "Listen, we all are passionate about this issue. And it's confusing right now. But in a time of consensus, can't we agree on reasonable limitations at 15 weeks when a baby feels pain?" And I think when you do that, will Democrats join me here – Democrats are still extreme on this issue. We win voters. But you have to define yourself first.

Meet the Press - November 12, 2023 (nbcnews.com)


McDaniel is late with telling Republican candidates to frame the argument about "reasonable limitations."  That ship sailed back in 2022 when democrats framed the argument by claiming Republicans wanted all out bans vs abortion rights. It was a big lie but they invested a ton of money into it and they sold it. It no longer what Republican candidates say. I'm certain the democrats will use the same playbook in 2024.

The Pro-Life movement should now be left to religious organizations and Pro-Life advocates. The GOP must drop it. It was a noble crusade but as Donald Trump said, it is now up to the people. The debate is over.


In other news 


Five U.S. special operations troops were killed on Friday when their helicopter crashed into the Mediterranean Sea during a training mission, U.S. officials said on Sunday.



U.S. European Command said search and rescue operations were launched immediately following the crash, and an investigation into its cause is under way. The troops aboard the helicopter were U.S. Army special operations personnel, according to two U.S. officials speaking on the condition of anonymity.



In a statement, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin described the crash as a "training accident."

Five US Troops Killed in Helicopter Crash in Mediterranean (usnews.com)


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    5 months ago

Good Morning

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Question: Are eggs benedict worth the trouble?

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 months ago

If you make them with smoked salmon. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1    5 months ago

That's the secret?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Hallux @1.1    5 months ago

I totally agree!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    5 months ago

Yup!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 months ago
"Are eggs benedict worth the trouble?"

No.  I'll stick with Eggs Buzz of the Orient.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2    5 months ago

I'm sure they are healthier too.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    5 months ago

About something we discussed previously, I use butter for only 3 things.  I use it to oil the pan when I make French toast or pancakes, and I mix it into mashed potatoes which does make them taste better. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.2    5 months ago

I'm glad you already specificized what the third thing was. Can you imagine what some around here might think.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2  Greg Jones    5 months ago

It appears that Netanyahu is the leader Israel needs right now.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @2    5 months ago

I think he is the best one they ever had.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    5 months ago

You do have a penchant for leaders who are willing to subjugate their judicial systems.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2.1.1    5 months ago

Under Biden it has been all politics

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    5 months ago
Under Biden it has been all politics

Do you hold that the charges against Trump for GA interference, Jan 6th, and classified docs are without merit?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.3    5 months ago

No.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.5  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    5 months ago

Under Trump it will be all political police ... oy, so many neighbors to report.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2.1.5    5 months ago

If you had two kids and one hit the other, do you restrain the one who was hit?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Hallux @2.1.1    5 months ago

"You do have a penchant for leaders who are willing to subjugate their judicial systems."

What do you think that Biden and the DOJ have been doing?
What does this have to do with the war Hamas started?
 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1.9  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.7    5 months ago
If you had two kids and one hit the other, do you restrain the one who was hit?

If what follows is a clear escalation of course, but then unlike you I understand the pitfalls of revenge. [Deleted]

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.10  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    5 months ago
Under Biden it has been all politics

But OTOH, under Trump is was never about politics!

(What do you think accounts for the difference?)

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.2  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @2    5 months ago
It appears that Netanyahu is the leader Israel needs right now.

Link?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @2.2    5 months ago

LOL. Come on, Krishna, that's obviously Greg's opinion, and although I didn't agree with Bibi's benefits to the ultra-right ultra-religious, and he obviously dropped the ball with Oct 7, the war with Hamas DOES need his mindset and his strength of purpose. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    5 months ago

Ronna Mc Daniel was asked about Trumps Mussolini like rant about American "vermin", and she said she wasnt going to comment on a candidates campaigning style. 

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Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 months ago

Why not give us the quote that you are referring to?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    5 months ago
McDaniel joined Welker for an interview on Sunday — days after the  Meet The Press  anchor co-hosted the GOP’s third 2024 primary debate. Since Trump is still the GOP’s 2024 frontrunner, Welker turned to the fact that the former president has grown  increasingly   vocal  about how he will weaponize the justice system against his enemies if elected again. The NBC anchor quoted from a Trump  Truth Social post  which read, “In honor of our great Veterans on Veteran’s Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical Left Thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, lie, steal, and cheat on Elections, and will do anything possible, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America, and the American dream.”

“Does that essentially make the Republican Party take a stance of ‘The Republican Party stands for revenge?'” Welker asked. “What do you think of that message?”

“I’m not going to get involved in rhetoric that’s happening during a contested campaign for our presidential nominee,” McDaniel weaseled. 

Kristen Welker Grills Ronna McDaniel On Trump's Vermin Post (mediaite.com)
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    5 months ago

That's better.

I like the promise that Trump made. The justice system HAS been weaponized by Obama and Biden. It is time to hold people accountable.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    5 months ago
The justice system HAS been weaponized by Obama and Biden. It is time to hold people accountable.

What are Christopher Wray and Merrick Garland, communists , marxists, fascists, or vermin ? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    5 months ago

Wray and Garland are left wing ideologues. They intimidated American parents. Garland has covered for Biden and prosecuted his opponent.

I don't recall Trump naming them as communists or Marxists. The Universities are full of Communists & Marxists. The founders of BLM were proud to tell the world they were Marxists.

Who has been held accountable for the Russia hoax?

What will happen to the NY AGs?

Why did Comey and Strzok get away with all their malfeasance?


I only want the job of tracking them all down in a Trump administration.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    5 months ago
The justice system HAS been weaponized by Obama and Biden.

Are you expressing that Trump should NOT have been indicted ... which is tantamount to holding that his indictments are without merit based on what he actually did?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.5    5 months ago
Are you expressing that Trump should NOT have been indicted

I'm expressing just what I said.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    5 months ago

(Here we go with the deflection game.)

Should Trump be held accountable for his actions in GA, docs, Jan 6th as per the indictments?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    5 months ago
Wray and Garland are left wing ideologues. They intimidated American parents. Garland has covered for Biden and prosecuted his opponent.I don't recall Trump naming them as communists or Marxists. The Universities are full of Communists & Marxists. The founders of BLM were proud to tell the world they were Marxists.Who has been held accountable for the Russia hoax?What will happen to the NY AGs?Why did Comey and Strzok get away with all their malfeasance?I only want the job of tracking them all down in a Trump administration.

This entire post is a bunch of far right extremist nonsense. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    5 months ago

"What are Christopher Wray and Merrick Garland, communists , marxists, fascists, or vermin ?" 

Probably a good helping of each.
 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.10  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.8    5 months ago

Every single word is true. Prove otherwise.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.10    5 months ago

I'm not going to waste time with your nonsense either. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.11    5 months ago

To your credit, you are getting pretty good at finding different ways to say you can't prove something.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    5 months ago

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JohnRussell
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3.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.12    5 months ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.14    5 months ago

Gee, you deleted my comment 30 seconds after I posted it, which means before it was flagged. 

I thought you moderators didnt do that. I have been told nothing can be deleted unless it is flagged and the mods dont go looking for violations. [Deleted]

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.16  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.15    5 months ago

John, I am going to have to agree with you on this one. Same thing just happened to me and I have been told the same thing about comments have to be flagged before the mods will look at them....

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.10    5 months ago

It's up to you to prove otherwise.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.17    5 months ago

Not how it works...............

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.18    5 months ago

Of course it is.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.20  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.19    5 months ago

No it isn't. He already presented his side. JR called "BS". Therefore it is for JR to prove it is BS. Get it?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.20    5 months ago

We have "proven" things to Greg Jones and Jeremy dozens , if not hundreds of times.

If you want to respond to that kind of crap you do it. Asking people for proof of things that are already proved is trolling. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.22  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.21    5 months ago

All you have to do is discredit it. I seem to remember all of those things happening with no repercussions. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.23  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.22    5 months ago

I try not to repeat myself hundreds of times like some people here do. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.24  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.23    5 months ago

That's some funny shit there...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.25  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.21    5 months ago
We have "proven" things to Greg Jones and Jeremy dozens

What you've done is try to gaslight me.  You haven't proven a goddamn thing.  Reality is all you've done is sink to personal insults every time.  A key indication you don't have a damn thing to back up your simpleton claims.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.26  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.23    5 months ago

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Krishna
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3.1.27  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    5 months ago
What are Christopher Wray and Merrick Garland, communists , marxists, fascists, or vermin ? 

Who appointed Wray to the DOJ anyway?  I ferget.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4  Nerm_L    5 months ago

The unbiased liberal media is dazed and confused.  Benjamin Netanyahu ain't dodging questions and definitely ain't backing down.  The IDF is on the ground now so the TV war has changed.  Hamas is fighting from civilian positions so the press narrative of 'innocent civilians' doesn't work any longer.  Now that the IDF can exert both security and administrative control, it's possible to provide fuel and supplies to Al-Shifa Hospital for specific civilian uses.  IDF acts as an occupying force in captured areas and demonstrates that IDF control brings humanitarian relief. 

Netanyahu has also held the liberal politicians' feet to the fire.  Send hospital ships.  Send aid.  Prepare to operate in areas that the IDF captures and controls.  But don't give aid and comfort to Hamas.  

As the war is prosecuted, the administrative operations of the IDF provides the best argument for Israeli occupation after the fighting stops.  The unbiased liberal media needs to do more than pee into their boots about evil Israel.  Why doesn't the press interview Hamas?  Why doesn't the press interview Abbas?  Why not hold Palestinian feet to the fire?  A terrorist Palestinian state does not have a right to exist.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @4    5 months ago
The unbiased liberal media is dazed and confused.

Well if that's the case, what do you think of the actual biased liberal media?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  author  Vic Eldred    5 months ago

Republican Tim Scott said Sunday night he is suspending his presidential campaign.

Scott made the announcement on "Sunday Night in America with Trey Gowdy" on Fox News.

"When I go back to Iowa, it will not be as a presidential candidate. I am suspending my campaign. I think the voters, who are the most remarkable people on the planet, have been really clear that -- they're telling me, 'Not now, Tim,'" Scott said.

Tim Scott says he's suspending his presidential campaign (msn.com)

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    5 months ago
Republican Tim Scott said Sunday night he is suspending his presidential campaign.

amf. he didn't have a prayer with the many fine people...

first elder, now scott. looks like GOPers are working their way up the color wheel from dark to light. ramaswamy and haley are next. then the fat italian and the short italian get the heave ho. finally they're left with the guy that represents all of today's republican core values...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @5.1    5 months ago

I think Nikki Haley will be the last "man " standing, next to Trump. I know she's a woman but she wants to go to war with so many countries she acts like a man. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.2  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @5.1    5 months ago
irst elder, now scott. looks like GOPers are working their way up the color wheel from dark to light. ramaswamy and haley are next. then the fat italian and the short italian get the heave ho. finally they're left with the guy that represents all of today's republican core values.

Hilarious but in a sad way.

How many minorities are running against Biden in the primaries?  How many were whittled out to make room for the old white to run from his basement in 2020?

Looks like the old dementia riddled white guy will be the de facto democratic nominee once again, with no chance of a minority being allowed to run against him, going against most democrat's wishes.

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.3  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    5 months ago

despite her having a bigger dick than 85% of maga, nobody in the 4th reich can look at her without seeing a red dot on her forehead while wearing a belly dancer costume. she's trying to act like a sane moderate too soon for the rwnj domestic terrorists that now actually decide the GOP primary winners. if you think the SOTH selection process' was a shit show, just wait until the RNC convention...

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.4  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @5.1.3    5 months ago

Misogynist and racist all in only three lines.

Not surprising.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.5  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @5.1.2    5 months ago

I thought joe was too old in 2016 and said so here, but he's a better choice than any of the gutless cowards that can't muster the courage to call out a criminally indicted autocrat that continues to voice unamerican, unconstitutional, and anti-democratic concepts to his delusional base of brain dead sycophants.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.6  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @5.1.5    5 months ago
continues to voice unamerican, unconstitutional, and anti-democratic concepts

Such as?

And don't post your opinion. It means little.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.7  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @5.1.5    5 months ago
I thought joe was too old in 2016 and said so here, but he's a better choice

So you agree that you support the old white guy over the minorities and women he ran against in 2020.

You did the exact thing you are accusing Republicans of doing now.

This is what most liberals are known for.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @5.1.3    5 months ago

Every single word is the truth.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.9  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @5.1.4    5 months ago
Misogynist and racist all in only three lines.

maybe I should file the paperwork to compete in the rwnj POTUS primary...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.10  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @5.1.6    5 months ago
Such as?

if you haven't heard it yourself, why would I waste my time informing you...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1.11  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @5.1.7    5 months ago

I didn't vote for joe in the democratic primary in my state. try again.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.12  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @5.1.9    5 months ago
maybe I should file the paperwork to compete in the rwnj POTUS primary...

Why should you file paperwork your side has prefilled pretty much every day?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.13  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @5.1.10    5 months ago
if you haven't heard it yourself, why would I waste my time informing you...

So you just made up bullshit.

Again, not surprising

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
5.1.14  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @5.1.11    5 months ago
I didn't vote for joe in the democratic primary in my state.

So which white guy/woman did you vote for?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
5.1.15  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    5 months ago
I know she's a woman but she wants to go to war with so many countries she acts like a man. 

Do you think she may actually be trans?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
6  Right Down the Center    5 months ago

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JBB
Professor Principal
7  JBB    5 months ago

Crusade?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    5 months ago
Do you agree that recasting this as Biden ordering legal actions against Trump (fact checked as false) would be a misrepresentation of reality?

No. Merrick Garland should have recused himself from all things Biden and all things Trump.

Enough malpractice has occurred involving Trump that I am nullifying all trials and verdicts regarding Trump.

I've told you that many times.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    5 months ago
Enough malpractice has occurred involving Trump that I am nullifying all trials and verdicts regarding Trump.

LOL. This shit gets funnier every day. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    5 months ago

Trying to get Trump at all costs does have its consequences.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    5 months ago
Trying to get Trump at all costs does have its consequences.

If Trump's indictments have merit based on what he actually did (as you affirmed), then he should be held accountable, right?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.2    5 months ago

No. Enough has been done to Trump, that I am nullifying everything they hit him with.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.3    5 months ago

Okay.   You do not think that Trump should be held accountable for his actions.   That all criminal indictments should be nullified.

How can you possibly justify this and claim that you support the rule of law?  

You are stating that the rule of law should be suspended on criminal lawsuits because of Trump's civil lawsuits.    Surely you will want to be more clear because that position, if it truly is what you believe, would be unconstitutional.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    5 months ago

Your daily or weekly "column" or whatever it is, is getting more detached from reality by the day. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.4    5 months ago

TiG, you cannot believe in the "rule of law" sometimes and not others.

The OJ Simpson jury said the LA police did not follow the law and therefore we will nullify the charges against Simpson.

I stand with my brothers & sisters from the hood.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.5    5 months ago

I like to think of it as a morning report.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.6    5 months ago
TiG, you cannot believe in the "rule of law" sometimes and not others.

I stand by the rule of law always!    Your slimy tactic of inserting your own specifics after the fact to twist my comment does not change that reality.  

The OJ Simpson jury said the LA police did not follow the law and therefore we will nullify the charges against Simpson.

Are you then claiming the (GA,Jan6,docs) indictments against Trump were not following the law?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.8    5 months ago
I stand by the rule of law always! 

I will hold you to that.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.9    5 months ago

Hold me to being a male too.   Your 'hold' is pointless.

In the meantime, you clearly are deflecting which illustrates that you actually are stating that the rule of law should be suspended on Trump's criminal lawsuits because of Trump's civil lawsuits.   That is unconstitutional.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.7    5 months ago

More like a morning [Deleted]

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1.12  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.10    5 months ago

it's the imperial presidency default, as long as that president is a republican...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
8.1.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.11    5 months ago

You know Mrs Torrance, you got to keep regular if you want to be happy.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
8.2  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    5 months ago
I am nullifying all trials and verdicts regarding Trump.

Wow-- I'm impressed!

Good on you-- I had never realized what an important (and powerful!) person you were! jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  author  Vic Eldred    5 months ago

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The popular chain is celebrating World Kindness Day by offering customers a free dozen doughnuts. Here’s everything you need to know about the sweet deal.

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Krishna
Professor Expert
9.1  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    5 months ago

Krispy Kreme is getting ready to spread kindness today in the best possible way — with free doughnuts.

Awww--- now isn't that sweet!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10  Nerm_L    5 months ago

Has anyone noticed that liberals have started a 1973 project to rewrite their own history of abortion?  The latest narrative is that Roe v. Wade always allowed prohibiting abortion when the unborn becomes viable.  So, Democrats have been lying to women for 50 years?

The new, improved liberal explanation that bans on abortion at about 23 weeks have always been legal means abortion is a privilege granted by the state; abortion is not a right.  Women only have a right to choose when the state gives them that privilege.

Now it seems Republicans are settling on abortion bans at 15 weeks.  And liberals are now claiming that bans on abortion at 23 weeks has always been in place.  So, the great abortion wars over the last 50 years has been about an 8 week difference in when abortions are banned.

Only goes to show there are lies, damned lies, and Democrat politics.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @10    5 months ago
So, Democrats have been lying to women for 50 years?

Correct.


The latest narrative is that Roe v. Wade always allowed prohibiting abortion when the unborn becomes viable.  So, Democrats have been lying to women for 50 years?

Over the weekend I heard a woman use the word "ban" to describe reasonable restrictions. She used that term over and over again.


Now it seems Republicans are settling on abortion bans at 15 weeks.  And liberals are now claiming that bans on abortion at 23 weeks has always been in place.  So, the great abortion wars over the last 50 years has been about an 8 week difference in when abortions are banned.

That is a lot to swallow. They pulled it off.


Only goes to show there are lies, damned lies, and Democrat politics.

And on this one, the public bought it, hook, line and sinker.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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10.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    5 months ago
And on this one, the public bought it, hook, line and sinker.

Brandonism.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
10.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1    5 months ago

Vic what are you talking about? Everyone knows that Roe V Wade said the Constitution of the United States generally protected a right to have an abortion. It never said to what time. The states decided that. The Dems never set a specific length of time for abortions.

Now it seems Republicans are settling on abortion bans at 15 weeks.  And liberals are now claiming that bans on abortion at 23 weeks has always been in place. 

Kind of interesting that you seem to forget that there are Republican states who had a heart beat law, which means 6 weeks. Now that Republicans are seeing how upset women are, they are talking about more reasonable time, like 15 weeks. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
10.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.2    5 months ago
. The states decided that.

No. they didn't. Everyone was sold a bill of good they parrot without understandin what is happening.   It was impossible under Roe and its sucessors for a state to ban abortion at any point in the pregnancy. That's why the Supreme Court never upheld any state's attempt to ban abortion at any point. 

 The Dems never set a specific length of time for abortions.

Why would they? they wanted abortion until birth and they got it. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
10.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.1    5 months ago

Sorry Nerm, no. It is a fact that Republican States tried basically stop abortions after Roe V Wade was struck down.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
10.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.1.3    5 months ago

Sean, 

I never addressed this:

It was impossible under Roe and its sucessors for a state to ban abortion at any point in the pregnancy. 

That is true. But that is not what Vic is saying.

Why would they? they wanted abortion until birth and they got it. 

Prove that. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.1.6  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.4    5 months ago
Sorry Nerm, no. It is a fact that Republican States tried basically stop abortions after Roe V Wade was struck down

Gee, I thought Republican states were trying to stop abortions decades before the Dobbs decision.  And for all those decades Democrats celebrated stopping any and all restrictions on abortion.

What's changed over the last 50 years is that Republicans finally succeeded in restricting abortions.  It was a long fight and Republicans finally won.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
10.1.7  afrayedknot  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.6    5 months ago

…delusional…

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
10.1.8  charger 383  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.6    5 months ago
     "Republicans finally won"
They won a battle that will cost them the war

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
10.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.5    5 months ago

s never addressed this:

It was impossible under Roe and its sucessors for a state to ban abortion at any point in the pregnancy. 

you wrote this

            It never said to what time. The states decided that.

That clearly means the states could set a time to stop abortions.   They couldn’t.  Any attempt to set a deadline was unconstitutional. The idea that states could set a time is fantasy.

Prove that. 
 
In 50 years, the could never upheld a time based  restriction because the  standard for when an abortion was permissible (any tiny effect to the emotional, physical, mental health of the mother) allowed for an abortion up until birth. Since being pregnant in  and of itself qualifies under that standard, any women qualified for an abortion at any time. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
10.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.6    5 months ago
Gee, I thought Republican states were trying to stop abortions decades before the Dobbs decision.  And for all those decades Democrats celebrated stopping any and all restrictions on abortion.

Oh come on, you knew what I meant. I didn't realize that anyone celebrated an abortion. Not anyone I ever knew.

What's changed over the last 50 years is that Republicans finally succeeded in restricting abortions.  It was a long fight and Republicans finally won.

And I guess women lost.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
10.1.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.1.9    5 months ago
(any tiny effect to the emotional, physical, mental health of the mother) allowed for an abortion up until birth.

So you think that doctors were handing out abortions willy nilly in late pregnancies? I think not, and fact, the stats on abortion show that in 2020 took place early in gestation: 93.1% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation and that abortion was decreasing in general.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
10.1.12  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.10    5 months ago
I didn't realize that anyone celebrated an abortion. Not anyone I ever knew.

Not what I said.  Democrats made opposition to restrictions on abortion a centerpiece of their campaign playbook.  Democrats really have celebrated stopping restrictions on abortion.

Restrictions on abortion means a woman's choice is not a right, it is a privilege granted by government.  Dobbs really did nullify 50 years of Democrat politics.

  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.2    5 months ago
Everyone knows that Roe V Wade said the Constitution of the United States generally protected a right to have an abortion.

And the Constitution said no such thing.


Kind of interesting that you seem to forget that there are Republican states who had a heart beat law, which means 6 weeks. Now that Republicans are seeing how upset women are, they are talking about more reasonable time, like 15 weeks. 

I did not forget. That is true Perrie. The message that democrats put out is a bit harsher than that, however. The claim has been that Republicans wanted to ban abortions. We could debate how the democrats won the messaging campaign. I am simply saying that Republicans must face the fact that far more people feel the way you do than those people the GOP has represented. I am saying that your side has won, and the Republican party must now become neutral on the issue of abortion.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @10    5 months ago

You're confused as to who/whom/whomever? is doing the lying here.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
10.3  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @10    5 months ago
Only goes to show there are lies, damned lies, and Democrat politics.

Actually the entire abortion debate "goes to show" something else-- the abortion debate only hurts Republicans in elections!

If I were advising them (and thank God I'm not) I would tell them to avoid the entire issue as much as possible-- and that includes not attempting to play the numbers game hoping that they can pick the "magic number' (of weeks) that will get them elected!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.3.1  devangelical  replied to  Krishna @10.3    5 months ago

... maybe they'll grasp that concept in the next 50 years.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11  Tacos!    5 months ago
And I know that Israel has said Hamas is headquartered there. Even if that is the case, does that justify jeopardizing the lives of sick people and babies, Mr. Prime Minister?

Why not ask Hamas if whatever it is they think they are fighting for justifies jeopardizing the lives of sick people and babies by HQing in a hospital?

Anyway, the answer to her question is “yes!” Because if left unchecked, Hamas has demonstrated that it will happily end the lives of perfectly healthy people and babies - after torturing or raping them.

what has Israel agreed to in terms of daily humanitarian pauses? Have you agreed to four-hour daily pauses?

Maybe this is off-topic, but I don’t think I ever hear anyone demanding that Russia “pause” its attacks on Ukraine. I wonder why.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
11.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @11    5 months ago
I don’t think I ever hear anyone demanding that Russia “pause” its attacks on Ukraine. I wonder why.

If you dont know the difference between what Russia is and what Israel claims to be, then there's no hope for it. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
11.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1    5 months ago
If you dont know the difference between what Russia is and what Israel claims to be, then there's no hope for it. 

Exactly, same reason no one on our campus, excerpt maybe for the Jews, is demanding that Hamas turn over the hostages and surrender.  Those wise students know that neither Russia or Hamas gives a shit about the rules of war or international opinion. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1    5 months ago

Didn’t understand that.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
11.1.3  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1    5 months ago
If you dont know the difference between what Russia is and what Israel claims to be, then there's no hope for it.

WTF does that mean?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
11.2  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @11    5 months ago
Maybe this is off-topic, but I don’t think I ever hear anyone demanding that Russia “pause” its attacks on Ukraine. I wonder why.

If memory serves-- no one was advocating that the Allies have a "cease fire" (or even a "pause")  when they were bombing Nazi Germany in WWII.

Why?

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
12  charger 383    5 months ago

If Napoleon was given a pause at Waterloo, he might have won

 
 

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