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Republican faction seeks to keep courts from interpreting Ohio's new abortion rights amendment | AP News

  

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Via:  perrie-halpern  •  7 months ago  •  57 comments

By:   SAMANTHA HENDRICKSON (AP News)

Republican faction seeks to keep courts from interpreting Ohio's new abortion rights amendment | AP News
Four Ohio Republican state lawmakers are seeking to strip judges of their power to interpret an abortion rights amendment after voters opted to enshrine those rights in the state's constitution this week.

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COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Four Ohio Republican state lawmakers are seeking to strip judges of their power to interpret an abortion rights amendment after voters opted to enshrine those rights in the state's constitution this week.

Republican state Reps. Jennifer Gross, Bill Dean, Melanie Miller and Beth Lear said in a news release Thursday that they'll push to have the Legislature, not the courts, make any decisions about the amendment passed Tuesday.

"To prevent mischief by pro-abortion courts with Issue 1, Ohio legislators will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative," said the mix of fairly new and veteran lawmakers who are all vice-chairs of various House committees. "The Ohio legislature alone will consider what, if any, modifications to make to existing laws based on public hearings and input from legal experts on both sides."

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A woman bows her head during a prayer at a watch party for opponents of Issue 1 at the Center for Christian Virtue in Columbus, Ohio, Tuesday, Nov. 7, 2023. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

It's the latest development in the struggle over abortion rights between the Republican-dominated Legislature and the majority of the voters, who passed the amendment by a margin of 57% to 43%.

Abortion rights advocates plan to ask the courts to repeal any remaining abortion bans and restrictions on the books in Ohio, including a mandatory 24-hour period that abortion seekers must wait before they can have the procedure and a ban on abortions after a fetal diagnosis of Down syndrome.

House Speaker Jason Stephens declined to comment on the release, according to his spokesperson, Aaron Mulvey. However, Stephens was among the dozens of legislative Republicans who have vowed to fight back against the new amendment.

"The legislature has multiple paths that we will explore to continue to protect innocent life. This is not the end of the conversation," Stephens previously said in a news release.

If the amendment or any other abortion restrictions were to end up being challenged in the courts, it's unclear how they would fare. The state Supreme Court has a conservative majority and has the final say over state constitutional issues.

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Samantha Hendrickson is a corps member for the Associated Press/Report for America Statehouse News Initiative. Report for America is a nonprofit national service program that places journalists in local newsrooms to report on undercovered issues.


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devangelical
Professor Principal
1  devangelical    7 months ago

thumpers can't accept the results of elections they've lost to the will of the majority and then wonder why their numbers are plummeting...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2  devangelical    7 months ago

obviously the negative social stigma of promoting an unconstitutional theocracy or outright dominionism isn't severe enough.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3  Kavika     7 months ago

It seems that the Republicans cannot accept the people's will. Keep it up dumb asses.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @3    7 months ago

after numerous attempts at subterfuge, legislative shenanigans, and a campaign of disinformation, anti-choice A-holes still think they can defeat the will of the voters. xtian family values my ass, time to put a leash on those unamerican thumpers and hit them where it hurts them most, their tax exempt status...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
4  sandy-2021492    7 months ago

It's like they can't help themselves.  They know this is what is losing elections for them, but they just keep doubling down on it.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4    7 months ago

the very definition of insanity. they deserve something of epic biblical proportion that will clear out the religious scam artist theocrats for the next 5 generations...

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
5  Thrawn 31    7 months ago

What a surprise, they are determined to force their minority view on the majority no matter what. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1  devangelical  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5    7 months ago
no matter what

... happens to them.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6  JohnRussell    7 months ago

They think God is on their side. That explains about 95% of it. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @6    7 months ago
God is on their side

a phrase most associated by those instigating violent death since the dawn of time...

 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
6.2  mocowgirl  replied to  JohnRussell @6    7 months ago
They think God is on their side. That explains about 95% of it. 

In my personal experience, the majority haven't bothered to read their approved guidebook (the Bible) in any of its many translations.  The Bible does not condemn abortion, but enslavement of others is clearly condoned .   However, working on the Sabbath carries the death penalty.  ( Remember the Blue Laws? )

In essence, the majority really believe they either are God (or the God's right-hand representative on Earth) and have a mandate to rule over anyone who doesn't have the power to escape them.

Top Ten List – Evil Bible .com

Top Ten Signs You’re a Fundamentalist Christian

10   – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

7   – Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!

6   – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5   – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4   – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”
 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
6.2.1  mocowgirl  replied to  mocowgirl @6.2    7 months ago

God's stance on abortion and the treatment of babies/children at the link below.

There is nothing kind and loving about the history of the people of the Bible.  That could be the reason so many people own a Bible and don't bother to read it.

God is not Pro-Life – Evil Bible .com

God is not Pro-Life

The Biblical God is NOT pro-life, he advocates child murder, infanticide, child abuse and abortion I see so many Christians talking about abortion being a crime against God.  It’s not a wonder that they are hard pressed to find a conclusive biblical statement to corroborate their position.  In their determination to control women they have been forced to rely on exceedingly weak sections such as  
 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
6.2.2  Krishna  replied to  mocowgirl @6.2.1    7 months ago

God is not Pro-Life

Would it be fair to say that not only is God not "Pro-Life"-- but the fact is that She's actually a Trump supporter?

(Of course there are other gods who may feel differently)

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
7  Tacos!    7 months ago
"To prevent mischief by pro-abortion courts with Issue 1, Ohio legislators will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative,"

It’s not mischief. It’s judicial review.

So, they want to legislate away judicial review? Just break up the system of checks and balance? Separation of powers?

They say they want to leave it up to the states. The state votes, and they want to undermine the result. These people don’t respect our democratic process. They don’t respect our founding concepts of justice.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8  JBB    7 months ago

original

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @8    7 months ago

What kind of person thinks Trump issued a SCOTUS ruling?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1    7 months ago

Trump stated this!   He declared that he got rid of Roe v Wade.

The kind of person who believes Trump is commonly found in the group known as "MAGA".

What kind of person continually makes excuses for / runs interference for a pathological liar like Trump?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.1    7 months ago
Trump stated this!   He declared that he got rid of Roe v Wade.

I am almost sure most intelligent people know the President doesn't issue SCOTUS decisions.

The kind of person who believes Trump is commonly found in the group known as "MAGA".

Thus far, looks like just you and JBB.

BTW, whatever happened to the mantra about Trump always lied? Selective choosing which Trump utterances to believe when it suits leftists' needs.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.2    7 months ago
I am almost sure most intelligent people know the President doesn't issue SCOTUS decisions.

Trump then apparently does not fall into the category of intelligent.

Thus far, looks like just you and JBB.

Neither JBB (I strongly suspect) nor I believe Trump directly killed Roe v. Wade.    You are again making wild accusations and not actually going by what people write.

BTW, whatever happened to the mantra about Trump always lied? Selective choosing which Trump utterances to believe when it suits leftists' needs.

Again, your comment is completely dishonest.   A strawman that pretends JBB and I have declared that we believe Trump.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.3    7 months ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.4    7 months ago

What he posted is reality.   Trump absolutely did (repeatedly) declare that he killed Roe v Wade.

Are you ignoring the video link I posted?   It is right there ... Trump himself uttering those words various times in various ways.

What is dumb is you leaping to the strawman nonsense that JBB (and I) believe Trump.   

What is also interesting is watching you try to defend Trump at every turn (even when blatantly indefensible).  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.5    7 months ago

FFS, no one is disputing Trump said that. Get a clue.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.6    7 months ago

Then what is your problem?   If you recognize that JBBs post was accurate why do you invent a strawman argument?   To what end other than to make an obnoxious post?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.7    7 months ago
Then what is your problem?

Right now, getting people to read, understand and respond cogently to things I have actually posted.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
8.1.9  afrayedknot  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.7    7 months ago

“…what is your problem?…

Too much time, too little content…and so so many pronouns. Every single response is loaded with too many I’s, me’s and you’s to count. Bottom line?Not worth the effort. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @8.1.9    7 months ago

I refer you to post 8.1.8

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1.11  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.10    7 months ago

why would you expect a courtesy you won't afford others?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @8.1.11    7 months ago

that comment doesn't make any sense 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
8.1.13  Thrawn 31  replied to  afrayedknot @8.1.9    7 months ago

The most meaningless comment of theM all. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1    7 months ago
What kind of person thinks Trump issued a SCOTUS ruling?

Donald Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.1.15  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.14    7 months ago
Donald Trump.

... and his followers.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @8.1.11    7 months ago

so typical of the maga and the former 'president' - demanding things that they don't return - the former 'president' turd is loyal to himself and puts himself before any others - just like the magats

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.14    7 months ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.14    7 months ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.23  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.22    7 months ago

original

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @8.1.23    7 months ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
8.1.25  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @8.1.23    7 months ago

Was that an old shot or very photoshopped?

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3PsKktkNbHfSweqGA48EmHuUYWtDvt6gHdxl1aSY9hpRhe6dDudXN3Al4pDPR6VBi6Ng&usqp=CAU

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.24    7 months ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.4    7 months ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
9  Kavika     7 months ago

The RCC spent $1.7 million fighting the issue in Ohio.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @9    7 months ago

that's a lot of mackerel, crackers, and cheap red...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
9.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @9.1    7 months ago

Mackerel is better served with a crisp, acidic white or my favorite with it,Tio Pepe Fino Muy Seco Sherry

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.1    7 months ago

any mackerel menu changes need to be approved by the snappers directly associated ...

 
 
 
mocowgirl
Professor Quiet
9.2  mocowgirl  replied to  Kavika @9    7 months ago
The RCC spent $1.7 million fighting the issue in Ohio.

The RCC should be branded a political organization and lose its tax exemption.

The Catholic Church Is Bankrolling a Nationwide Assault on Women's Rights (rollingstone.com)
CHURCH & STATES

The Catholic Church Is Bankrolling a Nationwide Assault on Women’s Rights

A majority of Catholics support a woman's right to choose, but dioceses are funding campaigns for state-level abortion bans across the country
SEPTEMBER 12, 2022
THERE WAS NO   winner in last month’s vote on   abortion   rights in Kansas. Technically, nothing changed after voters overwhelmingly rejected a ballot measure intended to strip abortion protections out of the state’s constitution. When the race was called on the evening of August 2, every Kansan retained the same set of rights they’d woken up with that morning. But there was a loser: the ballot initiative’s largest financial backer by a long shot, the Catholic Church, whose dioceses squandered millions of dollars on the failed effort. 

The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Kansas City contributed $3.18 million, the Catholic Diocese of Wichita, $652,355; $175,000 came from the Diocese of Salina; tens of thousands more from smaller churches scattered around the state. The Kansas Catholic Conference threw in $275,000. Together, the donations amounted to well over half of the Value Them Both Association’s total haul — an “absolutely stunning” amount of money, says Jamie Manson, the president of the advocacy group Catholics for Choice.

Come November, though, the exorbitant sum spent in Kansas may represent just a fraction of the Church’s political outlay this year. A record number of referendums on abortion will be put to voters around the country this fall. And in each of the states where an abortion measure is on the ballot, the effort to strip women of their reproductive rights is being largely bankrolled by the Catholic Church and its affiliates.

A report commissioned by Catholics for Choice found that between 2014 and 2021, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and their affiliates spent at least $10 million dollars lobbying state lawmakers in a handful of states, including Montana.

What makes the Church’s disproportionate spending on anti-abortion advocacy so remarkable, Manson says, is the degree to which it goes against a majority of Catholics’ own views on the issue. A 2019 Pew Research poll found that   68 percent   of U.S. Catholics opposed overturning   Roe v. Wade , while more than half of Catholics —  56 percent   — believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. Catholics, Manson also points out, make up   one quarter   of abortion seekers in the United States, according to data from the Guttmacher Institute.

“Catholics are always well left-of-center on all of these issues having to do with sexuality, and they are governed by church leaders who are fringe hard-right,” Manson says. “These issues of sexual reproductive health are profound issues of social justice. And the Catholic laity see it, but the bishops just refuse to see it.” 

Church leaders, ultimately, are the ones who decide how the collection plate money is spent.
 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
9.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @9    7 months ago

Total spending by Party on Ohio Abortion Amendment:

- Dem $24.6M

- Rep $16.3M

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
9.4  evilone  replied to  Kavika @9    7 months ago
The RCC spent $1.7 million fighting the issue in Ohio.

I wonder if that's coming from the US Bishops or the Vatican. The Church removed a Bishop in Texas on Friday and this hasn't been the first ultra conservative US Bishop removed or suspended. 

... he'd [Joseph Strickland] been under pressure to resign but repeatedly said he was under a mandate to lead from the previous pope, Benedict, who appointed him. And when formally asked to resign just last week, he refused. Then yesterday, the Vatican issued a very brief statement saying, quote, "The Holy Father has removed Bishop Joseph E. Strickland from the pastoral care of the Diocese of Tyler."
 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10  CB    7 months ago
"To prevent mischief by pro-abortion courts with Issue 1, Ohio legislators will consider removing jurisdiction from the judiciary over this ambiguous ballot initiative," said the mix of fairly new and veteran lawmakers who are all vice-chairs of various House committees. "The Ohio legislature alone will consider what, if any, modifications to make to existing laws based on public hearings and input from legal experts on both sides."

As we have constantly written: You can't trust MAGA conservatives no farther than you can throw them. They whined for 45 plus years about the federal system of abortion and cheered when the justices sent the "power" over abortion back to the states. . . now they won't stand for the state's constitutional amendment without their slimy GOP mark on it! 

See it right here folks! The GOP does not respect voters wishes unless those wishes align with their own MAGA self-interests. This is not and never has been about voting: this is about red-state having ALL the power over the lives of the citizens living locally.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10    7 months ago

I wish for once you would recognize what both parties do and quit pretending the GOP is unique in that.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.1  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1    7 months ago

I expect you wish a great many things-real and unreal. But that's your problem not mine. The GOP needs to mind its conservative 'business' and leave other people who are not conservative alone to their own freedoms, liberties, and privileges under the law. There has never been a 'movement' to get conservatives to do anything liberals do culturally! Bet the GOP can't state the same in the inverse.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10.1.1    7 months ago

Sorry, I don't live in a bubble.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.3  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.2    7 months ago

If you say so!  /s

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  CB @10.1.3    7 months ago

fact is, I did say so.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
11  sandy-2021492    7 months ago

Meta cleaned up from thread @8.1.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
12  evilone    7 months ago
Four Ohio Republican state lawmakers are seeking to strip judges of their power to interpret an abortion rights amendment after voters opted to enshrine those rights in the state's constitution this week.

The audacity is pure irony here and worthy of all the contempt thinking people can muster. That said it's only 4 people and would not likely pass. Also it's patently unconstitutional. 

Outside of this particular conversation anti-abortion activists across the country have publicly stated they should work harder while Republican politicians in swing states are trying to shift the conversation elsewhere. Democrats are now  looking to push referendums in states where abortions are now illegal. 

 
 

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