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The Fall of Post 17

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  7 months ago  •  28 comments

The Fall of Post 17
"In the course of the ground operation in the Gaza Strip, we have demolished approximately 130 tunnel shafts belonging to the Palestinian terrorist organization, Hamas," announced the Israeli armed forces on Wednesday, as quoted by the Times of Israel.

Link to Quote: Ten-hour battle: Israeli forces gain control of strategic Hamas stronghold (msn.com)



Yesterday after intense fighting Israeli forces captured a Hamas stronghold known as Post 17. As usual it was right next to a school. An entrance to tunnels was right next to a kindergarten. After sending many Hamas fighters to their "heaven," a small arsenal was uncovered as well as certain intelligence materials.


Last night Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Bret Baier that Israel had no intention of occupying Gaza after the war was over:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in an exclusive interview with  Fox News Chief Political Anchor Bret Baier  insisted a cease-fire is not an option even though operations in Gaza have taken "longer" than planned. 

"One thing we haven't agreed to is a cease-fire," Netanyahu said during the interview that aired Thursday on "Special Report with Bret Baier."

"A cease-fire with Hamas means surrender to Hamas, surrender to terror and the victory of the Iran's axis of terror, so there won't be a cease-fire without the release of Israeli hostages," he insisted. 

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"[The army] is fighting the terrorists both above ground and below ground," Netanyahu told Baier. "We’re doing everything in our power to reduce civilian casualties: We’ve managed safe zones and safe corridors so civilians can hear our call to leave, even though Hamas is trying to keep them in."

He claimed that 50,000 people departed Gaza City, in the northern part of the strip, to the southern safe zone two days ago, and another 70,000 on the day of the interview. Meanwhile, Hamas militants have tried to keep civilians in the north – an act that Netanhayu described to Baier and a  Palestinian activist previously discussed  with Fox News Digital. 

"Not only do they murder and mutilate, rape and murder women burn children alive, take hostages of toddlers, babies, elderly, Holocaust survivors, the worst savagery perpetrated on the Jewish people since the Holocaust … Not only do they do that, but they actually target their own civilians," Netanyahu lamented. "That is, they want to keep their civilians as a human shield."

Netanyahu tells Bret Baier cease-fire ‘means surrender,’ insists squad member is calling for ‘genocide’ | Fox News


Joe Manchin announced that he would not run again for the US Senate, and he went on to say that his options for a third-party run were wide open:

“What I will be doing is traveling the country and speaking out to see if there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring Americans together,

Manchin decision hurts Democrats' Senate hopes and sparks new speculation about a presidential bid (msn.com)


And then there was the usual insanity that we have come to expect:

"United Nations chief Antonio Guterres has  renewed his demand  for a ceasefire in Gaza and said that international law was being violated in the war between Israel and the Palestinian armed group Hamas."

UN chief says ‘clear violations of international humanitarian law’ in Gaza | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al Jazeera


And we all know by now that the US has once again hit supply depots in retaliation for US forces being fired upon....AGAIN.

 


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    7 months ago

Good morning

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Every once in a while, we learn something about somebody that we never knew. The inner person emerges. It happened yesterday. It was like the doors to a cuckoo clock opened and out came the inner being.

We also can look forward to the House Committee issuing about two dozen subpoenas today and the Trump defense team is about to file for a mistrial.

Enjoy this day.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2  Right Down the Center    7 months ago

It seems Israel cares more about the Palestinians than Hamas does.  Yet we still have lots of idiots talking about Israel's genocide of the Palestinians and demanding a ceasefire which will be a win for Hamas as they will use the ceasefire to build up munitions and attack again as they have said.  These same people demanding the cease fire are the ones that call people on the right fascists.  I guess stupidity knows no bounds

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    7 months ago
It seems Israel cares more about the Palestinians than Hamas does.

Exactly...Well put!


 Yet we still have lots of idiots talking about Israel's genocide of the Palestinians and demanding a ceasefire which will be a win for Hamas as they will use the ceasefire to build up munitions and attack again as they have said.  These same people demanding the cease fire are the ones that call people on the right fascists.  I guess stupidity knows no bounds

Nowadays stupidity earns a degree.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
2.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    7 months ago

What happened to the colleges that used to help you think for yourself instead of brainwashing with bullshit?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.1    7 months ago

There aren't very many. Today's "shrines of learning" (K-12, post-secondary, and post-grad education) are mostly Marxist propaganda mills.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
2.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.2    7 months ago

Funny how I never knew the political leanings of any of my professors right up through grad school.  They used to teach you facts and let you decide what to think about them with regards to things like  politics, systemic racism, socialism vs capitalism.....etc.   

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.4  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.3    7 months ago

Lucky You! My public school teachers talked about Jesus all the time instead of teaching. My high-school biology teacher shunned the book and taught biblical creationism. It was that bad...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.3    7 months ago
Funny how I never knew the political leanings of any of my professors right up through grad school. They used to teach you facts and let you decide what to think about them with regards to things like  politics, systemic racism, socialism vs capitalism.....etc.   

Those were my experiences, too. 

Have you noticed that the pro-Hamas Americans who've been protesting all over the US and robotically chanting "From the river to the sea" are wearing masks? Why are they hiding their identities? They're also wearing shawls and headgear that mimic Muslim Brotherhood, anti-Israel Arafat.

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Do these antisemitic haters know that they are advocating policide and genocide?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @2.1.4    7 months ago

Interesting.  I went to catholic grammar and high schools and other than one religious class per semester they kept religion out of the teaching also.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
2.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.5    7 months ago
Have you noticed that the pro-Hamas Americans who've been protesting all over the US and robotically chanting "From the river to the sea" are wearing masks? Why are they hiding their identities? They're also wearing shawls and headgear that mimic Muslim Brotherhood, anti-Israel Arafat.

My hope is that is coming from a place of ignorance but I am feeling less and less confident that they are going to get any smarter.  There is no excuse for the hatred they are exhibiting though and they should be punished for it.  Funny how having a conservative speaker on campus is decreed to be hate speech but saying eliminate all Jews is not.  There are more on the left displaying hate and antisemitism than I would have imagined.  It makes you wonder where it is coming from.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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2.1.8  afrayedknot  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.7    7 months ago

“It makes you wonder where it is coming from.”

This may be a cynical theory when applied to our current state of political and civil dysfunction, but it sadly seems to be all too applicable:

“Newton's Third Law: Action & Reaction, his third law states that for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction. If object A exerts a force on object B, object B also exerts an equal and opposite force on object A. In other words, forces result from interactions.

We should all hope to be better. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.9  Jasper2529  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.6    7 months ago

Public school teachers and administrators in the USA haven't been allowed to promote or sponsor any religion or religious activity since the Supreme Court's 1962 ruling of Engel vs. Vitale. 

In the landmark case  Engel v. Vitale  in 1962, the Supreme Court ruled that school-sponsored prayer in public schools violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment — breaching the constitutional wall of separation between church and state.

There is also this Supreme Court history:

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.9    7 months ago

Thanks, I could not remember the year.  My catholic schools were private and the reason I went there was they prepared you for college while the public schools in my area had a terrible college acceptance rate.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.11  Jasper2529  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.10    7 months ago

I remember the year (almost) like it was yesterday. Up to the 1962 school year, our public school opening exercises were as follows:

  1. Flag Salute, patriotic song
  2. We took turns reading a Psalm of our choice out loud. (I'm assuming the district chose the Book of Psalms, because it's in the Old Testament and would be satisfactory to the religions of my small town. I never knew of a parental complaint.)

After that school year, we only had the Flag Salute and patriotic song.

What many people don't know is that the teaching of religion IS allowed in public schools when done in a historic, comparative manner. This is done in science, history, music, art, and literature classes.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.12  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.6    7 months ago

I attended public grade-high school in a rural county seats out in far Western OK.

My teachers were strict and old school but our schools were only integrated when I was in elementary. We had Christmas and Easter programs at school. Pretty much all of my teachers professed about their Christianity in the classroom. Some in ways that were highly inappropriate even then!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.13  JBB  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.11    7 months ago

What if the first day of public school a student is allowed to quote Jesus.

And then the next day Abraham...

The next Mohammed...

The next Confucius...

The next L Ron Hubbard...

The next Malcolm X...

Next day The Buddha...

And then Krishna...

The next Jimmy Swaggart...

The next Cardinal Dolan...

The next Jerry Falwell...

Next day The Dali Llama...

Where does it end Constitutionally?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.14  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @2.1.4    7 months ago
"Lucky You! My public school teachers talked about Jesus all the time instead of teaching. My high-school biology teacher shunned the book and taught biblical creationism. It was that bad..." No wonder you're so pissed!
 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.15  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.14    7 months ago

No, I am pissed that nimrods still think it is okay for Christians to bring their private faiths into our public schools and our workplaces in 2023 America. In truth these modern day fundamentalist Baptist Snake Handlers do not want their kids exposed to Catholic prayers, or even Methodist prayers, any more than they would tolerate Jewish or Muslim prayers! Only Fundies Are Allowed!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.16  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @2.1.13    7 months ago

I do not understand the "point" of comment 2.1.13, so perhaps you could explain how it pertains to any of my comments or this article? 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.17  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @2.1.15    7 months ago
I am pissed that nimrods still.think it is okay for Christians to bring their private faiths into our public schools and our workplaces anymore. Baptist don't want their kids exposed to Catholic, or even Methodist prayers, any more than the would tolerate Jews or Muslims!

Please provide links that provide legitimate, detailed evidence of these accusations. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.18  JBB  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.17    7 months ago

I stand by what I said because it is Truth!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.1.18    7 months ago

stand by it, but why can't you just answer???

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.20  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.19    7 months ago

original

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.21  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @2.1.18    7 months ago
I stand by what I said because it is  Truth!

JBB, please understand that I realize that you believe all of your comments on this article to be truth, but that doesn't mean that everyone must believe what you believe. That is why I asked you to provide legitimate, detailed evidence that would support your comment(s) so I could better understand your frame of reference.

It seems that you're reluctant to fulfill my request, so I'll just drop the subject. I hope that you and your family have a very Happy Thanksgiving and Blessed Christmas ... or whatever holiday you celebrate.

Peace.jrSmiley_34_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.1.20    7 months ago

That would be a great meme to keep around for that undetermined date in the future when you actually make a case.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
2.1.23  Jasper2529  replied to  JBB @2.1.20    7 months ago

May I suggest you read about the fictional defense lawyer character, Perry Mason, and how he ALWAYS provided proof that exonerated his client? DA Hamilton Bragg and Lt. Arthur Tragg admired Mason's meticulous research and how he provided evidence on behalf of his clients.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.24  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.22    7 months ago

He stole it...........

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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2.1.25  MonsterMash  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.21    7 months ago
JBB, please understand that I realize that you believe all of your comments on this article to be truth

I don't.

 
 

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