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Anti-cop Minnesota Democratic party official left bloodied in violent carjacking

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  9 months ago  •  112 comments

By:   Patrick Reilly (New York Post)

Anti-cop Minnesota Democratic party official left bloodied in violent carjacking
A Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party official who once vowed to "dismantle" the Minneapolis Police Department is now calling for tougher crime laws after she was beaten and bloodied in a carjacking outside of her home this week.

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A Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party official who once vowed to "dismantle" the Minneapolis Police Department is now calling for tougher crime laws after she was beaten and bloodied in a carjacking outside of her home this week.

Shivanthi Sathanandan, the Second Vice Chairwoman for the DFL, shared news of her attack in a Wednesday Facebook post, where she fumed that the four young suspects need to be brought to justice.

"I have a broken leg, deep lacerations on my head, bruising and cuts all over my body. And I have rage," wrote Sathanandan, who said the beating occurred in front of her 4-year-old daughter and 7-year-old son at around 7:45 p.m. Tuesday.

"These men knew what they were doing. I have NO DOUBT they have done this before. Yet they are still on OUR STREETS. Killing mothers. Giving babies psychological trauma that a lifetime of therapy cannot ease. With no hesitation and no remorse," Sathanandan continued.

Included in the post was a selfie of Sathanandan, showing blood pouring down the right side of her face.

"I'm now part of the statistics. I wasn't silent when I fought these men to save my life and my babies, and I won't be silent now. We need to get illegal guns off of our streets, catch these young people who are running wild creating chaos across our city and HOLD THEM IN CUSTODY AND PROSECUTE THEM," she said.

shivanthi sathanandan/Facebook

"Look at my face. REMEMBER ME when you are thinking about supporting letting juveniles and young people out of custody to roam our streets instead of HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

Minneapolis police confirmed the carjacking in Sathanandan's Folwell neighborhood in a statement to KSTP. Her car was later recovered, but no suspects have been arrested.

Sathanandan thanked the "incredible" Minneapolis PD for assisting in the terrifying experience — a far cry from her attitude toward law enforcement three years ago when she posted online that she and other activists were "going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department."

Sathanandan had called for the Minneapolis Police Department to be dismantled in 2020.shivanthi sathanandan/Facebook

"MPD has systematically failed the Black Community, they have failed ALL OF US. It's time to build a new infrastructure that works for ALL communities. If you are still disagreeing with that BASIC FACT, I'm not sure what to say to you," she said in the June 5, 2020 post — less than two weeks after George Floyd was killed by Minneapolis police.

In another post on June 2 of that year, she applauded the Minneapolis School Board's decision to terminate its contract with the department: "MPD should have no place in our children's schools," she wrote.

Minnesota DFL Chairman Ken Martin told KSTP in a statement Thursday that he was "heartbroken at the news of Shivanthi's attack."

Sathanandan vowed to work to take back the streets of Minneapolis from criminals.shivanthi sathanandan/Facebook

"It is my sincere hope that the people who assaulted Shivanthi are quickly brought to justice and face punishment commensurate with the severity of their crimes," said. "My heart goes out to Shivanthi and her family and I hope their recovery from such a horrifying experience is as swift as possible."

The Post has reached out to Sathanandan for comment.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

A strange thing happened to a Minnesota progressive a few days ago.

She suddenly became a Conservative.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    9 months ago

I highly doubt that. 

I wonder what you would do if there weren't authors out there who write misleading articles that you could seed and spout your defamatory commentary about. 

MPD has systematically failed the Black Community, they have failed ALL OF US. It's time to build a new infrastructure that works for ALL communities. If you are still disagreeing with that BASIC FACT, I'm not sure what to say to you,"

It seems that she was more interested in reforming the MPD than destroying it. 

It must be working. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thomas @1.1    9 months ago
misleading articles

I see you making the claim, but I don't see you backing up the claim.  Could the claim be misleading?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @1.1    9 months ago
It must be working. 

Her bloody face is proof.


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Thomas
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1.1.3  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.1    9 months ago
I see you making the claim, but I don't see you backing up the claim. Could the claim be misleading?

Could your claim be misleading also?

[Deleted] Quite a few of them either lead off with a direct logical fallacy or a totally unsupported assertion.  Then they build upon the dislogic until he comes up with schlock like "the USA is a banana republic led by an authoritarian dictator"

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.4  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    9 months ago

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Her bloody face is proof.

Non sequitur. Her bloody face can be used as evidence that she was attacked, but it doesn't do squat for your contention of an instantaneous change of political orientation. 

When it comes to commentary, yours is as dishonest as it comes.

How would you know? Your comments are easily proven to be misleading. Like comment 1 on this seed.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @1.1.4    9 months ago

Don't you even know what a Conservative is?

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.6  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    9 months ago
Don't you even know what a Conservative is?

I know what Conservative means. A person rarely has all Conservative or all Liberal leanings.  I highly doubt that one terrible experience has led to a switching of all attitudes. Indeed, her attitude towards the police may not have changed drastically. There is nothing in her post from 2020 that would indicate a desire for police to not apprehend people who commit crimes. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @1.1.6    9 months ago

A Conservative is a progressive who just got beaten & robbed.

You heard it here first.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.8  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    9 months ago
Don't you even know what a Conservative is?

How can we until you have corrected all the dictionaries?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.8    9 months ago

They need a little updating.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thomas @1.1.3    9 months ago
Look at the postings of Richard and tell me that her seeds are not misleading and I will tell you that you are wrong.

I don't care about Richards.  I'm looking at your comment and it's lack of anything to back up an otherwise misleading claim.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.11  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.7    9 months ago
A Conservative is a progressive who just got beaten & robbed.

Non sequitur, again. I challenge you to back up your definition with facts. I can back up what I say and admit when I am wrong. Can you? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    9 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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1.1.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @1.1.11    9 months ago

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Greg Jones
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1.1.14  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    9 months ago

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Hallux
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1.1.15  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    9 months ago

Removed for context - sandy

 Your unfounded comment reeks of a partisan farmer who plants his bullshit too deep and too far apart. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.16  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    9 months ago

Removed for context - sandy

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.17  devangelical  replied to  Thomas @1.1.16    9 months ago

Removed for context - sandy

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.18  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.10    9 months ago

You mean besides the fact that this is a misleading article? 

The article's title: 

Anti-Cop Minnesota Democratic Party Official Left Bloodied In Violent Carjacking

But then 

A Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party official who once vowed to "dismantle" the Minneapolis Police Department is now calling for tougher crime laws after she was beaten and bloodied in a carjacking outside of her home this week.

What she actually said:

MPD has systematically failed the Black Community, they have failed ALL OF US. It's time to build a new infrastructure that works for ALL communities. If you are still disagreeing with that BASIC FACT, I'm not sure what to say to you," she said in the June 5, 2020 post

Which sounds like she wants a reformed police department. Still a police department, just not one that thinks it can indiscriminately kill certain people. That is not what the headline says. It says she was Anti-Cop. There is a difference. 

Further, the seeder of this article would like for us to believe that she went from progressive to conservative and shifted her thinking on the role that police should play. There is no indication that she did or did not change her position on police. Indeed, "The Post has reached out to Sathanandan for comment." It does not say if she responded or not, but I am thinking that she didn't.  So the story does not support it's own claim that she was Anti-Cop or that she changed position.  It is more of a wannabe karmic tale. 

This is an example of how to analyze an article critically. If more people employed just a little bit more of critical thinking skills, I believe that we would be better off. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.19  Thomas  replied to  devangelical @1.1.17    9 months ago

Just not "my" fault 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.20  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thomas @1.1.18    9 months ago
The article's title: 
Anti-Cop Minnesota Democratic Party Official Left Bloodied In Violent Carjacking

Congratulations.  You figured that part out.  Now instead of running in circles trying to distract,  how about links to back up the claim I called you on. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.21  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Thomas @1.1.19    9 months ago

Good song.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  Thomas @1.1.18    9 months ago

She literally said she wanted to dismantle the police. 

"We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department. Say it with me. DISMANTLE. The. Minneapolis. Police. Department,"

It's dishonest to ignore that when claiming to quote what she "actually said."

Which sounds like she wants a reformed police department. 

you should look up the word  "dismantle" before you go any further. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.23  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.20    9 months ago

If you think that I am going to read every article by the seeder you have another thing coming.  The articles are out there, go try reading one and analyzing it critically. IMO,  don't think that you will need to read past the first few sentences on most to start seeing discrepancies between facts and what the author or seeder is trying to sell. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.22    9 months ago

The meaning of words seem to be fluid depending on the politics of users.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.25  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thomas @1.1.23    9 months ago
If you think that I am going to read every article by the seeder you have another thing coming.

I'm not talking about every article from the seeder.  I'm talking about YOUR comment at 1.1.  I called it out as possibly misleading in 1.1.1.  You then proceeded to try to run in circles and come to this statement somehow.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.26  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.24    9 months ago

You mean like anybody who disagrees with a progressive / liberal / Democrat in even the slightest are "racists" or "fascists"?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.26    9 months ago

exactly!

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.28  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.22    9 months ago

One word does not a complete thought make, no matter how you try to dress it up. Even one sentence cannot always achieve understanding. 

By the way, I know what dismantle means.  It means "to take apart into(its) constituent components". What it does not mean is "destroy".  Usually, when one dismantles something, it is usually with the intention of reassembly. So, what she probably wanted to do is to take it apart (figuatively) to reassemble the department in another way. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  Thomas @1.1.28    9 months ago

The word dismantle in no way implies putting it back together again.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.30  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.25    9 months ago

Well, in that case, no, I am not being misleading. If you read carefully in my posts it is all there. Whether you see it or not I have no control over. 

And, since my response above did show the article and the seeders disingenuity, to further say that I am disingenuous is ...disingenuous. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.31  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.29    9 months ago
The word dismantle in no way implies putting it back together again.

That's that fluid definition stuff you mentioned. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.32  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thomas @1.1.30    9 months ago
Well, in that case, no, I am not being misleading

You know what.  You're right.  The displayed lack of knowledge rules out any possibility of you being misleading.  You have to know what you're talking about to be misleading.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.33  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.31    9 months ago

Dismantle, umodified, means to take  apart. With the modifier "It's time to build a new infrastructure that works for ALL communities " implies that you are going to keep the pieces. Eg. He dismantled the fixture to fix the broken part. IRL, I dismantle things all the time to fix them or move them. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.34  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.32    9 months ago

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On who's part?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.35  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Thomas @1.1.34    9 months ago

It's whose

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.36  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @1.1.8    9 months ago

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Tessylo
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1.1.37  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @1.1.15    9 months ago

BINGO

BANGO

BONGO

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.1.38  GregTx  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.35    9 months ago

Yep, he's on first base...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.39  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thomas @1.1.33    9 months ago

The actual definition still giving you problems.  Start here:  

Once you understand that meaning we might be able to continue to have a conversation.  

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.40  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.39    9 months ago

The meaning is just what I said it is. From your link (thank you) :

1to disconnect the pieces of
will have to dismantle the engine
also : to destroy the integrity or functioning of
The program was later dismantled due to a lack of funding.
As is apparent from her statements (note the plural, Sean), she meant the first and primary definition. 
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.41  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thomas @1.1.40    9 months ago

Yeah, nice try.  If you read the link, you'll see that NO WHERE does the definition come remotely close to referencing to "fix" or to "rebuild".  

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.42  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.41    9 months ago
If you read the link, you'll see that NO WHERE does the definition come remotely close to referencing to "fix" or to "rebuild".  

Except here: 

It's time to build a new infrastructure that works for ALL communities. 

So, she did say "dismantle", but she also said to "build". All of you, especially DJT fans, have to admit that since she said it once, she meant it sincerely. 

Toodles!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    9 months ago

Don't you just love it when the stupidity of some comes back and bites them in the ass.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    9 months ago

It only takes a few minutes.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    9 months ago
It only takes a few minutes.

That it does.( Snicker )

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @2.1.1    9 months ago

Oh you are clever. 

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evilone
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2.2  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    9 months ago
Don't you just love it when the stupidity of some comes back and bites them in the ass.

According to the City Attorney's Office, as of Jun 9th this year, Minneapolis has paid out just over $70 million in police conduct settlement from 2019 into 2023. This seems like stupidity coming back to bite the city over and over again, doesn't it? No matter what they say, no one really wants to 'dismantle' law enforcement. What they want is better law enforcement. What that means is up for debate. The progressives want non-biased better trained people that don't shoot first and never ask questions. The far right wants a return to the broken window LE policies of the 80's. I think there is a little room in the middle for most people to meet. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @2.2    9 months ago
The far right wants a return to the broken window LE policies of the 80's

I think that may be what city residents want.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.1    9 months ago
I think that may be what city residents want.

You have no clue what the city residents of Minneapolis want. If that's what they wanted they would be voting that way and they aren't.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @2.2.2    9 months ago
You have no clue what the city residents of Minneapolis want.

Is that what these ideologues have done?

I'd be willing to bet that the minority residents of these big blue cities would gladly take police protection in any form at this point, be it bullies with badges etc. Unfortunately, it is not coming back. The brave men & women who used to do that job are unwilling to take on all that personal risk and be demonized too.

I don't want to hear about the fake concern for minorities.

Some here simply hate the country.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.4  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.3    9 months ago
Is that what these ideologues have done?

What you fail to understand is the ideologues are a small minority of people.

I'd be willing to bet that the minority residents of these big blue cities would gladly take police protection in any form at this point, be it bullies with badges etc.

right... bullies with badges is what everyone wants... Can you hear the eyeroll from here? I seem to remember you supporting the defunding of the FBI? Isn't that a little hypocritical, there Vic? Again what most people want is good policing and a fair justice system. 

I don't want to hear about the fake concern for minorities.

Fake? Really? $70 million in 5 years fake... HAHAHAHAHA!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @2.2.4    9 months ago
What you fail to understand is the ideologues are a small minority of people.

Yes, they are, but not when it comes to holding power, they are the people winning democrat primaries and they are the people running the DOJ & FBI and the national media.


right... bullies with badges is what everyone wants..

Can you read and comprehend what you read? I said they would take bullies with badges over zero protection which is what they have now.   I know I would!

Did you know a 60 year old minority woman was beaten to near death in NYC?

"S hocking video shows a man savagely beating a 60-year-old woman more than 50 times with her own cane in a  Harlem, New York, subway station .

New York City police  said the attack happened shortly before 3:30 a.m. Friday, near the West 116 Street and Lenox Avenue station. 

A graphic video shows the unidentified man swinging an umbrella at the woman. She initially uses her cane to defend herself, but then the attacker grabs it and turns it upon her. 

The video shows the woman fall to the ground screaming. The man proceeds to cudgel her with the cane, hitting her more than 50 times over about two minutes. The strikes land all over the woman's body, her head, hands, legs, arms and stomach. The man hit her so ferociously, the cane began to break apart."

Man in NY subway station beats woman with her own cane in disturbing video (msn.com)

Why hasn't the nation heard more about that, since some here claim to be concerned about "minorities."

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @2.2    9 months ago
According to the City Attorney's Office, as of Jun 9th this year, Minneapolis has paid out just over $70 million in police conduct settlement from 2019 into 2023.

And that has what to do with "defund the police" idiot getting tore up by the criminal element of the city?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @2.2.2    9 months ago
You have no clue what the city residents of Minneapolis want.

And what makes you the SME on it?  I would imagine after the race riots they would want something done.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.8  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.7    9 months ago
And what makes you the SME on it? 

The article isn't about me. Defend your points with evidence, refute my points with evidence or go away.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  evilone @2.2    9 months ago
The progressives want non-biased better trained people that don't shoot first and never ask questions.

We need progressives to step up and wear the blue.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.10  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.6    9 months ago
And that has what to do with "defund the police" idiot getting tore up by the criminal element of the city?

Nothing. I posted about stupid biting them in the ass. A $27M chunk of ass was taken in one bite...

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.11  evilone  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.9    9 months ago
We need progressives to step up and wear the blue.

We need progressives to do a lot of things. Two simple things would be to think more and talk less, but we aren't going to get that.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @2.2.8    9 months ago
The article isn't about me. 

It has nothing to do with the seeder either yet you made the comment.  So you can get off your pedestal.  I ask you a question - What makes you the SME on what the residents of Minneapolis want?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @2.2.10    9 months ago

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afrayedknot
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2.2.14  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.3    9 months ago

“I'd be willing to bet that the minority residents of these big blue cities would gladly take police protection in any form at this point, be it bullies with badges etc.”

So, content with the status quo?

Where ‘bullies with badges’ can choke the life out of a ‘minority resident’ ? And then you focus on the ‘etc’ when those minorities have had just about enough. 

That is but talking out of both sides of one’s mouth…illiterate, ill-informed, and inflammatory. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @2.2.14    9 months ago
Where ‘bullies with badges’ can choke the life out of a ‘minority resident’

Why do the majority white Dems tolerate this year after year?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @2.2.14    9 months ago
So, content with the status quo?

The status quo right now in American cities is little if any police protection.


Where ‘bullies with badges’ can choke the life out of a ‘minority resident’ ?

He was a bit more than that, as was the one you describe as a resident. 


And then you focus on the ‘etc’ when those minorities have had just about enough.

If it is truly the residents who had enough, we can let them be. However, I doubt it was the residents who torched and looted their own neighborhood.


That is talking out of both sides of one’s mouth…illiterate, ill-informed, and inflammatory. 

As opposed to the radical hate-filled commentary above.

 
 
 
George
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2.2.17  George  replied to  evilone @2.2    9 months ago

256

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.18  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.9    9 months ago

We need progressives to step up and wear the blue.

Just because progressive cops aren't constantly in the news about killing suspects, being corrupt, or being sued, does not mean they don't exist.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.18    9 months ago
does not mean they don't exist.

Apparently, they keep the knowledge of all the bad cops to themselves.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2.20  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @2.2.2    9 months ago

"You have no clue what the city residents of Minneapolis want. If that's what they wanted they would be voting that way and they aren't."

They're getting what they voted for. Understaffed and undertrained police departments that are not supported by city officials who are more into catch and release than actually prosecuting these thugs and criminals. It's a problem in just about every liberal led city and town.

 

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2.21  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2.20    9 months ago
They're getting what they voted for.

I suppose you can back that up with facts? Right? 

Understaffed and undertrained police departments that are not supported by city officials who are more into catch and release than actually prosecuting these thugs and criminals. 

I find it really interesting that even cities run by Republicans also have the same issues of rising violent crimes, understaffing and repeat offenders. Weird... 

 
 
 
George
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2.2.22  George  replied to  evilone @2.2.21    9 months ago
I find it really interesting that even cities run by Republicans also have the same issues of rising violent crimes, understaffing and repeat offenders. Weird... 

I suppose you can back that up with facts? Right?

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.2.23  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.3    9 months ago
The brave men & women who used to do that job are unwilling to take on all that personal risk and be demonized too.

Who should be added to that list? Teachers, nurses, poll workers, federal law officers and anyone else with the temerity not to take your utterances as gospel?  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2.2.24  Kavika   replied to  George @2.2.22    9 months ago

Here you go, George.

The Two-Decade Red State Murder Problem

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.2.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Kavika @2.2.24    9 months ago

States are not cities. Did you not understand what he asked?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
2.2.26  evilone  replied to  Kavika @2.2.24    9 months ago

A follow-up to that -

Cities and states run by Republicans do not actually have less crime.

Following the data, the issue is much more complicated than simple political parties. Pointing fingers at each other doesn't even address the problem let alone work make people safer.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
2.2.27  evilone  replied to  evilone @2.2.26    9 months ago

Here's another... 

We can continue to have Fun with Numbers for awhile, point fingers at each other OR discuss what's actually going on in a rational and intelligent manner. Doubt that last one will happen, but I'm always an optimist.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
2.2.28  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.25    9 months ago

I just assume not, it explains so much.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
2.2.29  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.7    9 months ago
And what makes you the SME on it?
  • I'm from Minnesota and currently live just across the border about 2 hours away from Minneapolis.
  • My brother lives & works in Minneapolis. 
  • I listen to Minnesota Public Radio (which reports on these things - interviewing elected officials on all sides of these issues).
  • Stories from all sources including the Minneapolis Star Tribune come across my news feed every day.

If you spent half as much time backing up your claims as you do poking at me we'd be having an actual discussion.

I would imagine after the race riots they would want something done.

I would imagine after paying out a record $27M to the family of George Floyd the city would want something done too.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
2.2.31  George  replied to  evilone @2.2.29    9 months ago
I would imagine after paying out a record $27M to the family of George Floyd the city would want something done too.

Hire better attorneys to defend them would be a start.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
2.2.32  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @2.2.29    9 months ago
  • I'm from Minnesota and currently live just across the border about 2 hours away from Minneapolis.
  • My brother lives & works in Minneapolis. 
  • I listen to Minnesota Public Radio (which reports on these things - interviewing elected officials on all sides of these issues).
  • Stories from all sources including the Minneapolis Star Tribune come across my news feed every day.

So you heard from a friend who heard from a friend.  

If you spent half as much time backing up your claims as you do poking at me we'd be having an actual discussion

And there's the telltale "I can't dispute anything" personal attacks that we've all come to know from you all.  Then you THINK having an actual discussion is possible.  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
2.2.33  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.32    9 months ago
And there's the telltale "I can't dispute anything" personal attacks...

You haven't put up anything to dispute. But carry on with your deflection. It's cute.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
2.2.34  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @2.2.33    9 months ago

And yet you still went that route.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2.2.35  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.25    9 months ago
States are not cities. Did you not understand what he asked?

Another brilliant observation, great work, Sean. 

Sure did understand the question and the link takes in the entire state (s)

The article also stated this gem:

Even when we removed the county with the largest city in Trump-voting states (and kept them in for Biden-voting states), murder rates were still significantly higher in these red states.

Make of it what you will, and thanks for your contribution, lacking as it was.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.36  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.19    9 months ago

Apparently, they keep the knowledge of all the bad cops to themselves.

As opposed to all the conservative police officers that are constantly turning in other corrupt conservative officers?

Or is that just the only comeback you could think of?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.2.37  Sean Treacy  replied to  Kavika @2.2.35    9 months ago
e did understand the question and the link takes in the entire state (s)

So you still don't understand the question. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
2.2.38  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.36    9 months ago
As opposed to all the conservative police officers that are constantly turning in other corrupt conservative officers?

Don't you already expect that from the conservative band of brothers?

Or is that just the only comeback you could think of?

No, it seems that cops don't turn in cops regardless of their political beliefs with few exceptions.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.39  Ozzwald  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.38    9 months ago
No, it seems that cops don't turn in cops regardless of their political beliefs with few exceptions.

Correct, which makes your original reply pretty meaningless.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
2.2.40  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.39    9 months ago
Correct, which makes your original reply pretty meaningless.

What is the meaning behind your 2.2.18?  Personal conjecture without any source?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.41  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @2.2    9 months ago

I have to wonder how many of those folks involved in these settlements, who were shot first and never asked questions, were black.  If I were a betting person, I would bet big on that one.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.42  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.16    9 months ago

He speaks the truth regarding the very last statement.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.3  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    9 months ago

The bad Karma involved here is epically deliciouso.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Principal
2.3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @2.3    9 months ago

And the spin involved is actually funny is a sad and pathetic way.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @2.3    9 months ago

Isn't it just hell when you get what you asked for and then don't like it?

Kind of like all the sanctuary titty-babies who now have to actually deal with a bunch of immigrants and can't stop whining how unfair it is that they have to deal with what border states deal with every single day.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3  Kavika     9 months ago

Having first-hand experience with the MPD over the years the black community isn't the only community they have failed. The NA community has been the target of the MPD for decades. The American Indian Movement (AIM) was started in Minneapolis in 1968 exactly because of the MPD and its racist operation. 

It seems the killing of citizens and the millions of dollars in judgments against the MPD haven't brought the intended results. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @3    9 months ago

Whether or not the MPD was racist is really not the point here. If the "Civil Rights Division" of the DOJ says it was: I'd have to see the evidence. The case of  George Floyd is not enough nor is the arrest of those who have been drinking.

What happened here, Kavika, is that the city was denied police protection by progressive officials.

Fortunately, one of them came in contact with reality.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.1.1  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    9 months ago
What happened here...is that the city was denied police protection by progressive officials.

The city did NOT deny police protections. The city council did NOT even attempt to mess with the police department. When it was suggested the Minneapolis mayor said he would veto it. The ONLY changes to policing were policy changes in how police deal with people during mental crisis and the use of body/dash cams. Additional changes were also put in place to improve police officer's own mental health. 

Minneapolis' issues with policing are primarily the same as those across the country... a lack of candidates. Both the State and Federal governments have given money specifically to the city to train and hire more officers.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @3.1.1    9 months ago

"Don Samuels, 72, is an American success story. Born in Jamaica, he moved to the United States 52 years ago. He has since built a prosperous life as a designer, eventually settling in Minneapolis, inventing and creating toys for major manufacturers. He became a member of the Minneapolis City Council, where he served during  2003 to 2014 , and even ran for mayor in 2013. 

So, last year, he was shocked to see his city go up in flames after the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody. While many peaceful protests erupted on the streets, so did violent riots that left some neighborhoods looted and burned. As anti-cop sentiment grew, the Minneapolis City Council voted to dismantle the city’s police force, slashing $8 million from its budget and diverting it to other services. 

Samuels said he and his wife Sondra were stunned by the council’s move. 

“They just thought, ‘Get rid of police and the world would be great.’ My wife and I look at each other and go like, ‘Oh, my God, it’s going to be crazy around here.’ ” 

Their fears of a hamstrung police department giving rise to emboldened criminals sadly came true.

Last year marked the  second deadliest  in the city’s history (after only 1995, when it was notoriously dubbed “Murderapolis”). In 2021, from January 1 to July 1,  homicides  have risen even higher — up 34 percent compared to the same time frame in 2020. Several children have been killed by gunfire in recent weeks, including a 6-year-old girl  riding in a car , a 9-year-old girl  jumping on a trampoline  at a friend’s birthday party, and another 6-year-old girl  eating a McDonald’s Happy Meal  while returning home in her mom’s car. 

Crime has always been a problem in certain neighborhoods, but stories of horrific violence are no longer aberrational in the city, Samuels said, particularly in his area of North Minneapolis. 

The home of one family he knows “has two bullet holes, one in the front door and one in their daughter’s bedroom wall.” Last summer, gang members were “shooting at each other across a field of 50 elementary school children practicing peewee football,” he said. The coaches and the parents had “to dive on them to cover them up,” he said. "

How Minneapolis residents overturned decision to defund police (nypost.com)


It wasn't what minority residents wanted. It is what progressives in power wanted!

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.1.3  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    9 months ago

You are being misleading. Show me an article where the Minneapolis City Council passed a vote to defund the police. Your article even states the issues were:

After many Minneapolis cops retired, quit or went on extended medical leave (predominantly from PTSD) last summer, the city’s department is now short more than 200 officers from its state-mandated 889

They won the law suite, but Minneapolis is still short bodies with badges because they can't find enough people to hire. NOT because of progressives. The law suite is why the State coughed up money to help hire more, but this isn't just a Minneapolis problem it's a country wide problem.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @3.1.3    9 months ago

Progressives made it a problem. They don't like cops and more importantly they view everything through the prism of race. 

They did it. If city residents keep voting for them it will be more of the same.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    9 months ago
Whether or not the MPD was racist is really not the point here

LMAO, are you fricking serious that is the point.

If the  "Civil Rights Division"  of the DOJ says it was: I'd have to see the evidence. The case of   George Floyd is not enough nor is the arrest of those who have been drinking.

DOJ finds Minneapolis police discriminate against Native Americans, a first in the country

Well duh, you might actually want to read the links and listen to someone who has experienced the racist MPD over the years.

Justice Department Finds Civil Rights Violations by the Minneapolis Police Department and the City of Minneapolis

What happened here, Kavika, is that the city was denied police protection by progressive officials.

That's a lie.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.1.6  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    9 months ago
Progressives made it a problem.

How? It's easy for you to make the claim yet offer NO proof. 

They don't like cops and more importantly they view everything through the prism of race. 

It's an interesting take and even if correct they have had little to no effect on policing in Minneapolis. At least you've offered no evidence of it.

I wonder how you would feel though if cops started stopping and shooting anyone in a red MAGA hat or Trump bumper sticker? Ohhh wait... we already know you support defunding the FBI because you 'feel' Trump is picked on...so we have that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @3.1.1    9 months ago

So not for defunding as the right likes to claim.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
4  Drinker of the Wry    9 months ago

Minneapolis is a very blue city in a state that usually votes Dem since 1932.  Is the MPD another example of historic and continuing structural racism embedded in a ‘progressive’ city?  Why does the city and state tolerate this?  Much like Baltimore, the city can’t police its police.  It continues to take tax payer money to solve law suites instead of fixing the problem. 

Local progressives need to step up and wear the badge.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4    9 months ago
Local progressives need to step up and wear the badge.

That would really be reassuring / S

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6  Kavika     9 months ago

Special Report: How union, Supreme Court shield Minneapolis cops

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7  Sparty On    9 months ago

This isn’t a cop problem per se.

It’s a cop Union problem for enabling bad cops to stay on the job.

Period.

 
 

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