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A 13-Year-Old Girl Is Apparently The New Leader Of the JFK-QAnon Cult

  

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Via:  hal-a-lujah  •  9 months ago  •  40 comments

By:   David Gilbert (vice)

A 13-Year-Old Girl Is Apparently The New Leader Of the JFK-QAnon Cult
"Tiny Teflon," whose mother is also in the cult, has announced her plan to indoctrinate more children into it.

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When Michael Protzman, the leader of the QAnon cult that believes former President John F. Kennedy and his son JFK Jr. are still alive, died in June, people hoped the end was near for the group. The family members of those who joined the cult hoped it would disband so that their loved ones would finally return home.

But instead, a new leader has seemingly emerged: a 13-year-old girl known to her followers only as "Tiny Teflon," the name of the Telegram channel she uses to communicate with her followers. According to multiple live chats on Telegram reviewed by VICE News, Protzman appears to have groomed the girl as his protege, hosting her on his live chats on Telegram, where he had tens of thousands of followers.

Many of Protzman's followers have permanently broken family relationships, emptied their bank accounts, and destroyed their lives to follow his wild conspiracy theories. And now it seems they are ready to do the same for a child, whose real identity is not known.

Tiny Teflon has created her own channel, conducted live streams with followers, and most worrying of all, has announced her plan to indoctrinate more children into the cult by teaching them how to decode real word events using the movement's bastardized form of Jewish numerology, gematria.

"I definitely think I'm gonna have more kids involved in this," Tiny said during a live chat on her channel on August 6. "Maybe they could share more code, because I don't want to be talking the entire time when I do this show in the future. So I'll definitely think of having kids share codes and teach what they know too."

"It's worrying to see this young girl be put on a pedestal by a bunch of adults after the passing of Protzman," an open-source researcher who uses the nickname "Karma" to avoid being targeted by the members of Protzman's cult, which she has tracked closely since its inception, told VICE News.

When alive, Protzman used gematria to convince his followers that he could see into the future and communicate with everyone from former president Donald Trump to JFK Jr. Before becoming a cult leader, Protzman was a demolition expert in Washington state. He first gained attention in November 2021 when he convinced his followers that JFK and JFK Jr. were going to reappear in Dealey Plaza in downtown Dallas. Around a thousand people traveled from across the country to Dallas only to be disappointed by the Kennedys' failure to appear.

Despite this, many of Protzman's dedicated followers remained loyal, and followed him across the country for the next 18 months. Many of them destroyed their families and finances in the process. Protzman continued to claim JFK Jr. was alive and continually changed his predictions, at one point claiming Trump was just JFK Jr. in disguise, and finally, shortly before his death, claiming he was in fact the reincarnated JFK Jr.

Protzman died on June 30 in a Rochester hospital as a result of "multiple blunt force injuries" after he "lost control of his dirt bike" according to a report from the Southern Minnesota Regional Medical Examiner's Office, which was obtained by VICE News.

While Protzman was the leader of the group, he introduced Tiny Teflon in March 2022 by featuring her on a live chat in his Telegram channels. During the chat, and in subsequent appearances, the pair would use gematria to make links between everything from the 2011 movie The Smurfs and the timing of Trump's appearance in Home Alone 2: Lost in New York to conclude that Q's predictions about the mass execution of the child-trafficking cabal is about to come true. It's not known if there was any familial connection between Protzman or Tiny Teflon, or how they knew each other.

As a sign of her growing position within the group, Tiny Teflon was made an administrator of Protzman's main Telegram channel, though she posted very little over the last 6 months. However, since his death, the teenager has re-emerged as a leading voice in the group.

In late July, she showed up at a Trump rally in Erie, Pennsylvania, where she was photographed with multiple members of the JFK group.

Then she began to post again in the Negative 48 channel. As well as posting her "decodes," on August 1 she shared a link to her new channel called ABC 123. The channel's description says it will contain "Tiny Teflon's Decodes, Research and Much More!" and in all caps, adds: "CHANNEL MONITORED BY ADULT."

The description doesn't mention who the adult is, but it is likely her mother, a Protzman devotee who has an account on Telegram as "Teflon Don." Using this account she has promoted her daughter's work as well as celebrating her birthday with a message posted in the main Negative 48 channel last year.

During one live chat, Tiny Teflon went into more detail about how she would use her position to recruit more children into the cult.

"I definitely want help out with kids and teaching gematria, it'd be so much fun," she said. She added that she plans to create a beginners' guide for children on how to use gematria to decode real world events.

At the end of the chat some of the listeners effusively praised Tiny Teflon: "I think you inspire many, many adults and children. So thank you so much. We appreciate you. Love you so much," said one.

Another added, "It was a pleasure listening to you and I hope my little girl can start listening to you and go from there."

One listener responded to Tiny's plan about including more children by saying: "I think that's awesome because my daughter will be watching you so I'm sure we'll be following you." Seconds later her daughter also spoke on the live chat: "Thank you, you did so good stuff [sic], and I definitely can't wait to hear more of you," the girl said.

A listener identified only as "Beverly" said she thought gematria could help children with their reading and math, adding: "Can I just say great job to your parents. I mean, my gosh, I can't imagine how proud they must be."

While there are others who are vying to replace Protzman as leader, close watchers of the group view Tiny Telfon's assertion that she wants to use her position to bring more children into the fold as deeply worrying.

"I believe it's too early to see where she will fit into the group dynamics right now, it's definitely something I will be keeping a close eye on," "Karma," the open-source researcher, told VICE News. "For a group who have claimed to be all about 'saving the children' using a child to push your own beliefs is disgusting and disturbing."


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Hal A. Lujah
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1  seeder  Hal A. Lujah    9 months ago

Sane people would call this child abuse.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1  cjcold  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1    9 months ago

Show other kids what happens to her (bad legal things)=fewer child recruits.

No I'm not that stupid. I suppose a few will have to suffer horrible messy deaths.

Back in my teen SDS/Weatherman days I thought it was all fun and games until................

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Gsquared
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1.2  Gsquared  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1    9 months ago
Sane people would call this child abuse.

And Republicans would call it "family values".

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Gsquared @1.2    9 months ago
Republicans would call it "family values".

You know Joe "inappropriate Showers" Biden is a Democrat, right? 

Not to mention JFK himself had naked swimming sessions with underage girls in the White House pool.  

 
 
 
George
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1.2.2  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.1    9 months ago

Pedophilia is one of the pillars of the DNC, Racism is another.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.3  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  George @1.2.2    9 months ago

Pedophilia is one of the pillars of the DNC

Says you and Q.  Have you shot up a pizza place yet?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.4  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.1    9 months ago

And yet your people are convinced that JFK is still alive and will travel hundreds of miles to breathlessly await his big reveal.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
1.2.5  George  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.3    9 months ago

It was a believable story to some because democrats were running the ring.

Whats more telling is a crazy republican went there to stop it, democrats went to patronize it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.4    9 months ago

who are his people?

 
 
 
JBB
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1.2.7  JBB  replied to  George @1.2.2    9 months ago

No, but making false accusations that people hurt children without a care as to the consequences is what the gop does...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1.2.7    9 months ago

we learned from the experts about false accusations.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.9  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.6    9 months ago

There are exactly zero Q adherents that are Democrats.  [Deleted]

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.10  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  George @1.2.5    9 months ago

It was a believable story to some because democrats were running the ring.

Why is it not surprising that you believe that pizza places are actually portals to a global pedophile ring?  Clearly you aren’t even trying to be taken seriously here anymore.

Whats more telling is a crazy republican went there to stop it, democrats went to patronize it.

Ooohhh … very telling that Democrats patronize restaurants when they’re hungry.  What an astonishing revelation.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.9    9 months ago
Our latest poll of 1,039 Floridians was taken in June and administered online by Qualtrics; it was representative of Florida adults in terms of gender, age, income and race. QAnon remains about as unpopular. On the feeling thermometer, QAnon was rated about 21 on average; again, Democrats and Republicans rated it quite similarly, at about 20 and 24 on average, respectively.
In June, we also ran our poll nationwide on a representative sample of 1,040 American adults with Qualtrics. The U.S. public rated QAnon 24 on average. Democrats and Republicans across the country similarly rated it 25 and 26, respectively on average. These findings corroborate other national polls showing that Democrats and Republicans view QAnon both negatively and similarly.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.12  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.11    9 months ago

Both republicans and democrats rated it unfavorably, so the fuck what?  Are you denying that every single Q nut job is on the far right?  Are you trying to say Q nut jobs are actually on the left?  Everyone knows what side these freaks fall on, including you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.9    9 months ago
There are exactly zero Q adherents that are Democrats.  

I never even mentioned q adherents or Democrats. Keep up.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.2.15  GregTx  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.2.9    9 months ago
There are exactly zero Q adherents that are Democrats. Figure it out, genius.

Mmmm, are there exactly zero Democrats that don't buy into conspiracy theories?....

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  GregTx @1.2.15    9 months ago
Mmmm, are there exactly zero Democrats that don't buy into conspiracy theories?....

Just a cheap tactic of trying to link all on the right with the most extreme.

It would be the same if we linked him to all the stupid that falls out of, say, AOC's mouth, and pretend he is exactly like her.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.2.17  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  GregTx @1.2.15    9 months ago

Mmmm, are there exactly zero Democrats that don't buy into conspiracy theories?....

I didn’t say that, did I?  The thing about conspiracy theories is that sometimes they are true.  There’s a big difference between conspiracy theories that can plausibly exist in reality (ie Trump administration) and those that your Q morons embrace (ie RFK is alive, global D pedophile ring, lizard people, etc).  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2  Sparty On    9 months ago

Sadly, some here will actually believe this nonsense.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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2.1  seeder  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sparty On @2    9 months ago

Did Newsmax tell you that?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @2.1    9 months ago

Nah, I think for myself.

You should try it sometime.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.1    9 months ago

Lol, following trump no matter what is not thinking for yourself.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1.2    9 months ago

If that were true you’d be correct but since it is not.    

You are once again …. wrong.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    9 months ago

Shaking my head.  These influencers, along with those who still support Trump, and the so many who swallow without question every lie they're told, cause me to lament what is happening in America.  I used to love America, but now I'm starting to pity it...

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Trout Giggles
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4  Trout Giggles    9 months ago
While there are others who are vying to replace Protzman as leader, close watchers of the group view Tiny Telfon's assertion that she wants to use her position to bring more children into the fold as deeply worrying. "I believe it's too early to see where she will fit into the group dynamics right now, it's definitely something I will be keeping a close eye on," "Karma," the open-source researcher, told VICE News. "For a group who have claimed to be all about 'saving the children' using a child to push your own beliefs is disgusting and disturbing."

Doesn't sound like all are on board with a child taking over

 
 
 
evilone
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4.1  evilone  replied to  Trout Giggles @4    9 months ago
Doesn't sound like all are on board with a child taking over

Yeah... these various Q cults eat their own. Bringing 'more' children into it will also get serious federal scrutiny.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
4.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  evilone @4.1    9 months ago

Sounds like a bunch of groomers to me. Big shock that the Q group ends up being a pedophile ring.

 
 
 
evilone
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4.1.2  evilone  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.1    9 months ago
Big shock that the Q group ends up being a pedophile ring.

Chances are there are at least one gross bastard somewhere in that group. Bring more kids in and the predators will follow.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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5  Thrawn 31    9 months ago

Are the adults not embarrassed by being told what to think by a fucking 13 year old? 13 year olds are retarded.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1  evilone  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5    9 months ago
Are the adults not embarrassed by being told what to think by a fucking 13 year old?

IF they aren't embarrassed by the whole message by now I don't think anything can change it. They are wholly lost... 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2  Texan1211  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5    9 months ago
Are the adults not embarrassed by being told what to think by a fucking 13 year old? 13 year olds are retarded.

Do kids become less retarded (YOUR word) as they age? Would a 15 year old be listened to?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
5.2.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2    9 months ago

People generally become less retarded as they get older, but far as I can tell it doesn’t really start until their early 20s. And if you are taking your marching orders from someone in their teens you are a dumbass. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2    9 months ago
ould a 15 year old be listened to?

I think we know the answer to that. Look how much sway Greta Thurnberg has among the left. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5.2.1    9 months ago

I've raised teenagers. They both outgrew the retarded phase but it took longer for the boy than did the girl.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
5.2.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.2    9 months ago

Oh yeah, totally forgot about that girl. Is she still a thing? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.2.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5.2.4    9 months ago

Yeah she still pops up in the news relatively frequently:

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
5.2.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.5    9 months ago

Huh.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
5.2.7  Thrawn 31  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.3    9 months ago

Just remember when you were a late teen, how much dumb shit did you actually tell your parents?

The retard phase goes into the 20s as we all know.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5.2.6    9 months ago

I ain't heard about her in years

 
 

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