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The Eye of the Tiger

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  11 months ago  •  312 comments

The Eye of the Tiger
"It's as if they realized along the way, 'Oh, Lord, what have we done? We've introduced all of the things that made this guy a success again,'" The Spectator editor and Fox News contributor Ben Domenech suggested during a broadcast of The Ingraham Angle on Wednesday night. "Congratulations, CNN, congratulations to Kaitlan Collins, you have injected all the kind of energy that this guy had before back into his effort to become president again."

Last night America got to see what is without a doubt the most electrifying candidate from either party in the coming 2024 presidential election. I don't know if CNN was intending to spring some kind of trap or hoping that the former President would damage himself, but they clearly failed. The town Hall was held in the blue state of New Hampshire and clearly Donald Trump had the audience with him. He was articulate and sharp. He took on CNN's invitation and all of the questions from what is clearly an extension of the democratic party.

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Kaitlin Collins (truly a nasty person)

The moderator was supposed to be CNN's most fair host, if that makes any sense. She tried her best to trip up Trump, but it was no use. We saw the old Trump from 2016 and the distinction between him and the cognitive mess in the White House was clear for everyone who watched.  One thing about Trump: he does not hide from any questions, or any questioner as our current leader does.

The Town Hall was scheduled for 90 minutes but CNN shut it down after 69 minutes in a clear sign of defeat.  Kaitlin Collins spent much of the 90-minute event clashing with Trump over the answers she didn't seem to like.

I think Donald Trump spoke for many Americans at the end of the Town Hall when he said: "Thank you very much, Kaitlan. Good job."


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    11 months ago

Just another day in the life of Kaitlin Collins.  A truly nasty person.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    11 months ago

the same tired string of lies from some criminal jag-off that belongs either in or under a federal prison...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.1    11 months ago

I think 15 million entering the US by the end of the Biden term is probably a low estimate.

Too bad, huh?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    11 months ago

At 10,000 per day the last few days, I would double that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1.2    11 months ago

Responsible news outlets are talking about it today.

Propaganda sites are talking about George Santos.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  devangelical @1.1    11 months ago

Are you talking about Brandon and his criminal family?

Then we are in total agreement.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1    11 months ago
the same tired string of lies from some criminal jag-off that belongs either in or under a federal prison...

Man, that sounds like something a fascist would promote--prison sentences for people not convicted of crimes other than not being the person espousing views that some like.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    11 months ago

your comment has nothing to do with mine, as usual.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    11 months ago

Just one more example of a heavily biased, TDS ridden news person.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.2    11 months ago

It's incredible!  They delivered Biden to the White House!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.2    11 months ago

Can you imagine if an interviewer tried to fact check Biden?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    11 months ago

He’d have to leave his basement first.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.3    11 months ago

He at least knows not to do that. The media will run his campaign for him, though they fucked up on that CNN Town Hall.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.4    11 months ago

Yep and liberal drones will vote for him regardless.

Pretty sad .....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.5    11 months ago

They come out En masse when they hear the name Trump.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.7  devangelical  replied to  Sparty On @1.2    11 months ago
Just one more example of a heavily biased, TDS ridden news person.

she started in the business at FOX, working for fucker carlson...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.2.7    11 months ago

A TRULY NASTY PERSON

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @1.2.7    11 months ago

Fuckin-A man!

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    11 months ago

The eye of the tiger with the soul of a rabid rodent.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    11 months ago

This is a joke, right?  When has the former 'president' EVER been articulate AND sharp?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.4.1  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.4    11 months ago

never. everybody knows now how he has to get laid...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.4.2  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @1.4    11 months ago

Then Biden should not have a problem debating him but he won’t.    Which tells us who is really the mentally dull one.    Biden.

Dull as a bowling ball.....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.4.2    11 months ago

If Biden was on that stage, he wouldn't be asked the same type questions. There wouldn't be anything about the influence peddling going on which enriched the Bidens, or Hunter Biden or inflation or the Afghan withdrawl or the open border.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.4.4  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.3    11 months ago
There wouldn't be anything about the influence peddling going on which enriched the Bidens

Ignoring the WSJ editorial on this matter are 'we'?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.4.4    11 months ago

Slow down you missed the first 6 words.

Did you have your coffee this morning?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.4.6  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.3    11 months ago
If Biden was on that stage

Never happen.    Whoever the Rep nominee is will mop up the floor with Biden and they know it.

That’s why so many liberals don’t want him to run but too bad.    They created this monster now they get to deal with it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @1.4.6    11 months ago

The Biden strategy is to avoid debates and questions.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.4.8  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.7    11 months ago

it's pointless to debate a serial liar like trump...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    11 months ago

 
 
 
CB
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1.5.1  CB  replied to  devangelical @1.5    11 months ago

This is the INSANITY that masquerades as leadership in some quarters of America. Is it any wonder that people are shouting back and forth? This man is a disaster. This man is indefensible. This man is the poster 'boy' for self-righteousness (and that can not ever be a compliment!). Finally, we have a case 'study' in this one minute plus clip alone for why this man is kept out of live witness testimony in a court of law. (And that is a damnable crying shame to say about a former president of the United States and even more so for a presidential candidate in 2024.)

The Lincoln Project has it right to 'hound' Trump's every lie as what it is.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    11 months ago
A truly nasty person.

Why is she a nasty person?    Sounds like you are merely parroting Trump;  is that what you are doing or do you have your own reasons based on independent thought and grounded in facts and logic?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.6.1  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @1.6    11 months ago
do you have your own reasons based on independent thought and grounded in facts and logic?

LOL

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.6.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @1.6    11 months ago
Why is she a nasty person?  

Don't you think that everyone should be treated equally?


do you have your own reasons based on independent thought and grounded in facts and logic?

The question is do you?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.7  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    11 months ago

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.7    11 months ago

Like saying my tax cut was biggest?

Please stop.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.7.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.7.1    11 months ago

hopefully he soon goes to prison for the "tax cuts" he gave himself...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.7.3  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.7.2    11 months ago

truly - he does nothing unless it benefits him

with republicons and conservatives it's always what about me?

with liberals it's what about everyone?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2  Just Jim NC TttH    11 months ago

Can't wait for Biden's Town Hall on FOX........................Oh wait, never mind...........LOL never happen...........unless the questioners and questions are made available in advance.......................

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    11 months ago

Nope!  He can't even answer those loving softball questions from the reporters that are chosen for him.

I didn't see a script in Trump's hand last night, did you?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    11 months ago

Nope sure didn't. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1.2  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    11 months ago

Trump's script is deeply ingrained. Same lies every time he opens his mouth.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @2.1.2    11 months ago

Whatever pops into his tertiary syphilis ridden brain falls right out of his stupid mouth

 
 
 
George
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2.2  George  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    11 months ago
Can't wait for Biden's Town Hall on FOX

Like him or not, you have to give trump credit for going on CNN, Biden is a fucking coward, or his handlers are afraid he will lose his temper and attack a moderator, Alzheimer suffers are known for violent outbursts in their later stages like Joe yelling at reporters.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    11 months ago

There isn't enough time between Biden feedings to throw that many softballs at him, although I am confident all the questions would be furnished to him prior and his handlers would have had plenty of time to prep Joe.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.4  Sparty On  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    11 months ago

I’d settle for regular press briefings like all Presidents before him.

Just one more bad precedent he’ll go down in history for.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.4.1  cjcold  replied to  Sparty On @2.4    11 months ago

It was actually Trump who stopped Press briefings. Please study reality.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.4.2  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @2.4.1    11 months ago

Then your reality is deluded.    

In his first two years Trump had nearly 4 times more than Biden.    Any bets who will have more in their four year term?

Perhaps TDS is leaking into the rest of your “reality.”

You lose ..... again.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.4.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @2.4.2    11 months ago

Well done Sir!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.4.4  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @2.4.1    11 months ago
It was actually Trump who stopped Press briefings. Please study reality.

Please learn how to use Google effectively.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.4.5  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @2.4.1    11 months ago
It was actually Trump who stopped Press briefings. Please study reality.

In the interests of truth and accuracy, Biden has averaged less than HALF the number of press conferences than Trump did.

You know, if facts still matter and all.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    11 months ago

This article, to use the term loosely, is laughable gaslighting.  That doesnt mean we should not take this neo John Birch presentation seriously though. America is too apathetic for anyone to just assume Trump will lose in 2024. Anyone who is on the ballot and has the money and a widespread following is a threat to win , particularly when he doesnt need a popular vote majority to do so. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    11 months ago
Anyone who is on the ballot and has the money and a widespread following is a threat to win

Independents will decide the election. I didn't see him winning them over last night.  It was good to see him again, but refusing to admit he lost an election and saying he would pardon the Jan 6th rioters will just add to the impossibility of Trump winning a general election. Hopefully he will not be the nominee.

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He was at his fighting best

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    11 months ago
The town Hall was held in the blue state of New Hampshire and clearly Donald Trump had the audience with him. He was articulate and sharp. He took on CNN's invitation and all of the questions from what is clearly an extension of the democratic party.

Every word of this is gaslighting and guess who wrote them?

The audience was Trump supporters, which means it doesnt matter what state they were in. 

You arent fooling anyone. Once Trump becomes your nominee you will be all in for him.  Even in the face of that national disgrace last night. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    11 months ago
Every word of this is gaslighting and guess who wrote them?

You failed to prove that. Maybe you can be more specific?


The audience was Trump supporters, which means it doesnt matter what state they were in. 

At least the most vocal. New Hampshire IS A BLUE STATE . Try again, John.


You arent fooling anyone.

I stand by everything I say.

And again: "thanks"

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JohnRussell
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3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    11 months ago
The audience was Trump supporters, which means it doesnt matter what state they were in.  At least the most vocal. New Hampshire IS A BLUE STATE . Try again, John.

It would take me about a half an hour to find an audience of all trump supporters here in "leftist" Chicago.  What in the world are you talking about?  It doesnt matter what state they were in when the only people invited were Trump supporters. I'm sure that was part of the agreement that got Trump to show up and do the thing. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    11 months ago
It doesnt matter what state they were in when the only people invited were Trump supporters.

CNN only invited Trump supporters?

Could we have a link?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    11 months ago

In New Hampshire, Trump faced questions from an audience of Republican voters in the early-voting state. During the event, the Republican repeated his false claims that the 2020 presidential election was rigged, and he refused to admit his loss. He also called Jan. 6 [2021, the date of the Capitol riots] a "beautiful day," adding that his fans "were there with love in their hearts."

There were 6 or 7 questions from the audience during the thing. ALL of them were softballs for Trump. Not a single audience question that was critical of him or challenging what he was saying. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    11 months ago

None of that goes to the claim you just made.

I asked you to back up your claim that CNN invited only Trump supporters.

As for questions from the audience, didn't CNN also have a host asking questions?

BTW, why did CNN end it early?

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Why did they quit?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    11 months ago

I dont really give a shit why they quit.  Maybe it dawned on them that the whole thing was a great embarrassment to the nation. 

The CNN interviewer should have put a pause on the whole thing in the first minute when Trump said the election was rigged, and not started it back up again.  Instead she allowed him to say idiotic things like "there is video of millions of ballots being stuffed into ballot boxes by the democrats".  She should have said "we will continue this interview when you produce that video". 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.7    11 months ago
The CNN interviewer should have put a pause on the whole thing in the first minute when Trump said the election was rigged, and not started it back up again.

Why?  That statement hurt Trump or don't you have any faith in the ability of people to reason?


Instead she allowed him to say idiotic things like "there is video of millions of ballots being stuffed into ballot boxes by the democrats".  She should have said "we will continue this interview when you produce that video". 

She need only ask what I asked of you:  Proof please!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.8    11 months ago

Yes, and , "we'll continue this interview when you produce proof that millions of ballots were illegally "stuffed" by the Democrats. "

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.9    11 months ago
"we'll continue this interview

No John, that's not the way you conduct an interview. You ask for proof. Trump has to respond and you proceed to the next question.

What you are calling for is a Soviet style interrogation without the torture.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.10    11 months ago

This country is in a crisis. We are flirting with re-installing a traitor into the country's highest office. CNN should have relaized that and sent someone there that would confront Trump.  We are already disgraced enough by this guy without giving him a platform to spew non stop lies. 

Lets see him go on NBC and be interviewed by Lawrence O'Donnell. Trump would pee his pants at the thought. Or Jon Stewart, or Keith Olberman, all of which would leave trump a humiliated puddle on the floor. 

The young woman from CNN was not prepared. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.10    11 months ago

Trump was asked if he would accept the results of the 2024 election. His answer was "I will if I think it was fair".   We already KNOW that Trump only considers an election "fair" if he wins. He has run for office twice, and in both cases he said beforehand that the election might be stolen from him. If he lost the first time he would have behaved exactly like he did in 2020. Its who and what he is. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.11    11 months ago
This country is in a crisis.

It is well beyond that, thanks to Joe Biden and his handlers.


We are flirting with re-installing a traitor into the country's highest office. CNN should have relaized that and sent someone there that would confront Trump. 

With what?  A shotgun?  You had a nasty bitch there. She was no match for Trump. Too bad!


Lets see him go on NBC and be interviewed by Lawrence O'Donnell.

Larry the dunce O'Donnell? Tell Larry that all he has to do is ask. Grab a number!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.12    11 months ago
Trump was asked if he would accept the results of the 2024 election. His answer was "I will if I think it was fair".

And you don't think people can figure that out?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.13    11 months ago
Larry the dunce O'Donnell? Tell Larry that all he has to do is ask. Grab a number!

LOL. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.15    11 months ago

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Trout Giggles
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3.1.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.11    11 months ago

I think he should be interviewed by Rachel Maddow...but that's probably beneath her dignity

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.18  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.13    11 months ago
You had a nasty bitch there.

wow......

I thought you respected women

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.16    11 months ago

why the fuck is he saluting?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.20  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.17    11 months ago

Rachel would have done the same thing:  fact check challenge his lies and keep firing new questions when he keeps repeating his lies.

She probably would have been more effective given her experience, but I honestly do not see what anyone could do with someone who is willing to absurdly lie.

After all, Trump literally claimed that he finished the wall.   Just one of many outrageous lies.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.22  Trout Giggles  replied to    11 months ago

I guess you don't have any for women, either, given your comment

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.23  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.22    11 months ago

Ever notice most right wing people all sound exactly the same...

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.24  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.19    11 months ago
why the fuck is he saluting?

the spray on tan missed a spot on his fat head.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.25  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @3.1.23    11 months ago

They get their marching orders every morning so that every  body has the same talking points

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.19    11 months ago
why the fuck is he saluting?

he's looking into a mirror

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.27  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.26    11 months ago

lol

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.28  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.18    11 months ago

I do that's why I am right up front against men in women's sports and the ladies room.

And you say?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.29  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    11 months ago

Funny that when it's a conservative it's gaslighting, but when it's a leftist liberal it's just fair play.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.30  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.29    11 months ago

They just turned the law upside down to get Trump and they think they can restore justice after he's gone. They just had a civil case against him where all that was needed was a preponderance of the evidence to convict him of rape (51%) and they couldn't get it out of a New York jury. what judgements there were are likely to be overturned, but after the election. Then they say don't defend him. Just let us do every dirty thing we can.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.31  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.17    11 months ago
by Rachel Maddow

The conspiracy theorist?

Is anyone still watching?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.32  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.17    11 months ago

I was going to say Stephen Colbert should interview the former 'president' but I don't think Stephen would want to be in the same room with that scumbag former 'president'.  He won't even say his name.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.33  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.29    11 months ago

Thank god for those lefty liberals because lefty liberal = truth/reality/decency

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.34  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.10    11 months ago
interrogation without the torture

... torturing that POS would be fine by me.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.35  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    11 months ago

While stuffing a banana and a couple of rolled up socks down the front of his pants? 

Trump just repeated his same old far right wing misogynistic lies.

"Nasty person" is Trump's favorite term for a female who disagrees with him.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.36  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @3.1.35    11 months ago

The other night's lesson is pretty clear:

Don't invite Trump to a Town Hall.

He just might come and build you and build you another asshole.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.37  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.36    11 months ago
He just might come and build you and build you another asshole.

The only people Trump influenced are those who believe his lies.    What kind of character applauds a litany of lies?   Worse, what kind of mind actually believes the lies?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.38  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.37    11 months ago

He is the antidote for all the bull shit lies you bought in college.

Get used to it, the America First movement is here to stay, with or without Trump!

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.39  Kavika   replied to  TᵢG @3.1.37    11 months ago
Worse, what kind of mind actually believes the lies?

Simple minds unable or unwilling to differentiate between lies and the truth.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.40  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.38    11 months ago

So you're anti education, too, eh?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.41  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.38    11 months ago
He is the antidote for all the bull shit lies you bought in college.

You seem to be tossing out any stereotype insult you can think of.

What do you know of my education?   What do you know of what I believe?    You have nothing but emotive bullshit.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.1.42  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.41    11 months ago

You have to fit into the pigeon hole he designed for you. When you step outside of that narrowly defined range he doesn't know what to do with himself

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.43  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.37    11 months ago

gee, I can't figure out why the mango menace doesn't file defamation suits against all the people and news organizations that call him a liar in the public domain. surely he would enjoy a cash windfall. what a mystery... /s

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.44  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.41    11 months ago
What do you know of my education?   What do you know of what I believe?

You have GOT to be shitting? Unless you have a 180 degree personna offline from what you comment and post here day after day, one gets a pretty good idea. Seems you have a damned good education that could be admired by many. Your beliefs on the other hand, we know, as you attempt to force feed everyone who doesn't think like you, to think the exact same way you do. 

Now flag away but sometimes the truth will set you free.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.45  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.44    11 months ago
Your beliefs on the other hand, we know, as you attempt to force feed everyone who doesn't think like you, to think the exact same way you do. 

What do you know of my education?   What was I taught in the Masters program?   What do you know of my beliefs?

State my beliefs.  What I see is that a certain group routinely substitutes their stereotype instead of going by what I write.   What Vic stated (and you voted up) is that I do not acknowledge Biden's lies.   Show me where I make excuses for Biden.  Show me where I support him for PotUS.  Then compare that to the outrageous level of excuses made for Trump by Vic (which you vote up).

Buy a vowel.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.46  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.44    11 months ago

now, now, there's plenty of americans that have evolved beyond the finer points of marching in lockstep, ironing uniforms, and knowing which end of the rifle to hold. try reaching beyond your grasp once in a while...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.47  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.45    11 months ago
What do you know of my education?

What did I say? Well educated and to be admired by some.

   What was I taught in the Masters program?

Don't know and really don't care. Whatever it was you seem to wear well.

   What do you know of my beliefs?

I told you. You put MANY of your beliefs out here for everyone to see. And those who disagree are subject to a short novel of why they should.

State my beliefs.  What I see is that a certain group routinely substitutes their stereotype instead of going by what I write.   What Vic stated (and you voted up) is that I do not acknowledge Biden's lies.   Show me where I make excuses for Biden.

Several here, and including you I believe, have told others that by saying nothing, you agree with what was being disputed.  

  Show me where I support him for PotUS.

See ^^^^^

  Then compare that to the outrageous level of excuses made for Trump by Vic (which you vote up).

That is what he believes and possibly, I can agree to an extent to what he is saying. You sure do put a lot of stock in upvotes. And it seems to rub you the wrong way when others agree with what you don't. Thus the reason for your commentary to me right here. I agreed/understood with what was said.

Sorry but that is the way it is.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.48  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.47    11 months ago
Several here, and including you I believe, have told others that by saying nothing, you agree with what was being disputed.  

Invented bullshit.   I have never stated that by not commenting on an issue that means agreement.   Think about how stupid that is.   If an issue is under debate then there are two sides.   By not commenting, which side do you think is being held in agreement?    Your invented fact is ill-conceived.

You sure do put a lot of stock in upvotes.

If you vote up a comment then you are agreeing with it.   If not, then you are being duplicitous.   I give people the benefit of the doubt that if they vote up a comment they are being honest and that they agree with the comment.

Is it your practice to vote up comments with which you disagree?

You have failed to state my beliefs.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.49  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.47    11 months ago
it seems to rub you the wrong way when others agree with what you don't

in america you're free to swallow all the bullshit you wish, but there's no need to be offended when others try to warn you by pointing it out...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.50  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  devangelical @3.1.49    11 months ago

Bullshit is subjective and you are free to poo poo anything that doesn't fit your narrative. You usually do.

 
 
 
George
Sophomore Expert
3.1.51  George  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.47    11 months ago
You sure do put a lot of stock in upvotes.

Voted you because it just seems to piss some people off.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.52  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.28    11 months ago

right up front against men?  in the ladies room??

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.53  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.42    11 months ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.54  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.19    11 months ago
why the fuck is he saluting?

e.d.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.55  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.52    11 months ago

I notice that your friend couldn't stand up for women.

Is that what Feminism means?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.56  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.40    11 months ago

Anti indoctrination.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.57  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.41    11 months ago
What do you know of what I believe?   

I read your comments and your inconsistencies. I know you well.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.58  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.32    11 months ago
but I don't think Stephen would want

Stephan is out of work right now. There is a strike going on.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.59  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.57    11 months ago

Vague allegation with no supporting facts.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.60  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.59    11 months ago
Vague allegation with no supporting facts.  

You aren't inconsistent?

Show me where you ever favored a host fact checking Joe Biden?

It would have been great to have known that 51 former Intelligence officials were lying through their teeth when they wrote that letter for Biden so he could use it to counter Trump's FACTUAL ACCUSATION at their 2020 debate. We didn't ever have a host say:  Joe, that's not true. 

What does that tell us about your "critical thinking?"

One final note: the purpose of a Town Hall is to let the voters hear a candidates views and potential policies, not to try and trap or debate him.

CNN just double-dixied themselves!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.61  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.55    11 months ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.62  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.61    11 months ago

Yup. That's what I expected.

FO = I NAILED IT.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.63  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.60    11 months ago
Show me where you ever favored a host fact checking Joe Biden?

Consistency does not mean that every comment pertaining to one faction is equally matched with one dealing with the opposing faction.   Many times there are no equivalents.   You are trying to hold me to absurd rules that you make up.  

Consistency means holding / expressing a position that is non contradictory.   So show me where my logic is contradictory.

We didn't ever have a host say:  Joe, that's not true. 

You arguing that a host did not fact check Joe in the debate is not an argument that I am inconsistent.   Get a clue.

What does that tell us about your "critical thinking?"

It says absolutely nothing about my critical thinking.   Again, you are apparently confused.   I was not the host in the Presidential debate.

One final note: the purpose of a Town Hall is to let the voters hear a candidates views and potential policies, not to try and trap or debate him.

Okay, that is how you view a Town Hall.   Now here is an example of your inconsistency.   You claim that a Town Hall should not fact check yet you whine that Biden was not fact-checked during the debate.   

Which is it?   Should fact checking take place or not?

My position is this:  Fact-checking should ALWAYS be part of a public forum.   Not every tiny little detail, but certainly for the blatant and relevant falsehoods.   For example, when Trump falsely claimed that the PRA allowed him to take the documents or that they are automatically declassified by him merely taking them, that is the exact opposite of what the PRA states and a real-time fact-check is indeed appropriate as a public service.   It was a blatant lie that is easily shown as such by the PRA.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.64  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.62    11 months ago

No, you NEVER do.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.65  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.58    11 months ago

No need to worry about Stephen being 'out of work' lol!

He's a millionaire many times over.

Jealous?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.66  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.63    11 months ago
Consistency does not mean that every comment pertaining to one faction is equally matched with one dealing with the opposing faction.   You are trying to hold me to absurd rules that you make up. 

Just think about it. CNN hosted a Town Hall and the candidate was Donald Trump. They used their prized host to fact check him throughout the Q&A. Ask yourself: Would they do that to any other candidate?

Don't tell me that trump lies more than Biden.  I only want an honest answer.


You arguing that a host did not fact check Joe in the debate is not an argument that I am inconsistent. 

Joe Biden is not simply another democrat. He has brought some extreme radical ideas to fruition. He has weaponized the DOJ/FBI and even the Defense Department. He has also lied consistently. What is striking is how the media has covered for him. Can you envision any news organization hosting a Town Hall and trying to do to Biden what CNN tried to do to Trump?  Those facts are so obvious I can't believe that someone who prides himself on being a critical thinker wouldn't notice.


Okay, that is how you view a Town Hall.   Now here is an example of your inconsistency.   You claim that a Town Hall should not fact check yet you whine that Biden was not fact-checked during the debate.   

Which is it?   Should fact checking take place or not?

You see, that is the difference between you and I. I am consistent. As I stated:

a Town Hall is to let the voters hear a candidates views and potential policies, not to try and trap or debate him.

Neither candidate should be fact checked or sandbagged. The people know what a lie is. They don't need a bunch of leftists to tell them what to believe.


My position is this:  Fact-checking should ALWAYS be part of a public forum.   Not every tiny little detail, but certainly for the blatant and relevant falsehoods.   For example, when Trump falsely claimed that the PRA allowed him to take the documents or that they are automatically declassified by him merely taking them, that is the exact opposite of what the PRA states and a real-time fact-check is indeed appropriate as a public service.   It was a blatant lie that is  easily  shown as such by the PRA.


Very inconsistent, because you were nowhere when 51 former intelligence officials told a huge lie about the laptop or when Karine Jeanne-Pierre said illegal immigration was down by 90% or whan Mayorkas said the border is closed or when Biden said he wouldn't give federal subsidies to solar and wind or when Biden promised to be a "unifier."  Those are monster lies, yet nothing from you.

Here is another thing you need to understand: the difference between a belief and a lie.

Do you remember when then President Barack Obama mistated that Abraham Lincoln was the founder of the Republican Party?  That was an easy mistake, even for a well educated man, since Lincoln was the first Republican President and the GOP had only been founded not that long before the era of Lincoln. Do you know how PBS handled that gaff?  They deleted it from the text of the Obama speech.



That double standard, among other things is so obvious and I can't understand how a critical thinker could miss it.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.67  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.66    11 months ago

RIP/GOP

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.68  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.66    11 months ago
Would they do that to any other candidate?

You are now off on an entirely different topic.    Hopefully you recognize that.

Trump is, to say the least, a unique individual.   He has overwhelming personal negatives, was the only PotUS in our history to try to steal an election, is up to his ears in legal issues and in spite of all that, he is the clear leader for the GOP nomination.

Trump does not compare with any other candidate so I can see CNN doing this only for Trump.  

Don't tell me that trump lies more than Biden.  I only want an honest answer.

You just admitted that you do not want to hear the truth.   And your view is simplistic.   The problem is not who lies more but rather the damage done by the individual through their lies.   Surely you can comprehend that.

Joe Biden is not simply another democrat.

Non sequitur.   Focus on the question you asked and the answer provided.   You are running all over the map.   Get a grip.

Can you envision any news organization hosting a Town Hall and trying to do to Biden what CNN tried to do to Trump?

Where do you find me suggesting that they would?   You have an obnoxious habit of engaging in strawman arguments.   Probably because your standard arguments are feeble.

You see, that is the difference between you and I. I am consistent. As I stated:

a Town Hall is to let the voters hear a candidates views and potential policies, not to try and trap or debate him.

Neither candidate should be fact checked or sandbagged. The people know what a lie is. They don't need a bunch of leftists to tell them what to believe.

Well, Vic, I stated that fact-checking should always be in public forums and you say it should never.   Somehow in your mind you deem that as me being inconsistent and you being consistent.    You are confused.

Very inconsistent, because you were nowhere when 51 former intelligence officials ...

Again with your stupid rules.   There are plenty of things I do not comment on.   The absence of a comment does not mean anything.   You continue to put forth bullshit allegations with no supporting facts.

Here is another thing you need to understand: the difference between a belief and a lie.

How feeble.   Do you actually think Trump is so stupid that he does not understand the PRA?   It is a very simple, easy to read document with very clear language.   Plus, Trump has plenty of legal advisors who can explain this to him.   Don't give me the utter bullshit that Trump believes lies as blatant as this.  

They deleted it from the text of the Obama speech.

And yet again, you claim I am inconsistent and then give examples of other people being inconsistent.   Hello?    Do you understand that I am not PBS?

That double standard, among other things is so obvious and I can't understand how a critical thinker could miss it.

So you have now moved the goalposts to double-standards in a partisan world and pretend that I have argued that this does not occur.   How utterly slimy and desperate.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.69  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.68    11 months ago

I think we are rapidly approaching the point when no one on this forum should take the right wingers here seriously. They have begun gaslighting at an astonishing rate. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.70  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.69    11 months ago

I am past that point with many individuals.   Non sequitur 'logic', deflection, strawman arguments, bullshit allegations, etc.   It is pathetic.

Just amazing watching the desperate attempts to defend Trump ... even by those who claim they do not want him to be the nominee.

We used to care about character with politicians.   Blatant lying used to be grounds for rejecting a candidate.   Somehow this does not apply to Trump in the deluded MAGA minds and even in those who claim they want someone else as their nominee.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.1.71  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.69    11 months ago

Meh, I usually have to shower after spending time here.    Some days are worse than others but most days one leaves smelling like left wing bullshit.

Nasty!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.72  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.69    11 months ago

One of the reasons (other than working again now) I don't spend much time on here anymore, or try not to - too much right-wing nonsense/ignorance/hatred that drives a lot of people away.

 
 
 
GregTx
PhD Guide
3.1.73  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.72    11 months ago

Good on you! Congrats. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.74  JBB  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.70    11 months ago

Particularly infuriating are the MAGA who seemingly keep vast notes on everything that others never said and then complain incessantly about them never saying it!

Who thinks that way?

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3.1.75  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.72    11 months ago

Good, hope you like it 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.76  TᵢG  replied to  JBB @3.1.74    11 months ago

Agreed, especially when they have no such notes and are simply (dishonestly and incorrectly) spouting from their contrived stereotype.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.1.78  CB  replied to  devangelical @3.1.43    11 months ago

Lawyers would have to put Trump on the stand and then comes the cross-examination and then the tangled web of deception and otherworldly-ness would be on full demonstration for all to see. Also, the 'cross' could take a day, days, or a week to complete depending on the obstinance of the plantiff Trump's insistence!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
3.1.79  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.69    11 months ago

There you go trying to tar all with the same brush as usual. It has got to be your way or the highway and that is really sad.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4  Sean Treacy    11 months ago

Yesterday showed why Trump still has an outside chance of winning. He's able to command a discussion to the point where his enemies have to stop the show because he's doing so well.  Biden can't be trusted to do interviews with his friends without scripted questions, and still make batshit claims about not letting Obama be President again.  Meanwhile, his allies in the media cover up that his ne'er do well family of dependents was making millions from the CCP and corrupt Romanian oligarchs while he was Vice President. And they shriek that Trump's corrupt....

So you are left with a  completely   corrupt man with a pulse running against a completely corrupt senile man and the  corrupt institutions willing to lie on his behalf. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    11 months ago

It was a tremendous contrast between the two men.

It's like having Stan Laurel as president and James Bond doing a town hall event....Lol

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    11 months ago
So you are left with a  completely   corrupt man with a pulse running against a completely corrupt senile man and the  corrupt institutions willing to lie on his behalf.

A LOT of objective people would describe Trump as unhinged . Is unhinged better than "senile'? That is highly doubtful. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
4.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    11 months ago

Confident you can find a lot of "objective" people who would claim they have seen alien space ships or that they have seen angels also.  

I'll give CNN this much however,  they probably doubled their viewership during that Town Hall.  I myself partook of that very adult thing and didn't bother to watch as I had no desire to see or listen to Trump speak.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @4.2.1    11 months ago

If you didnt see it you have no basis for commenting on what it was. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
4.2.3  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.2    11 months ago

I wasn't commenting on the show itself, I was commenting on your comment.  That you could not figure that out is rather telling.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    11 months ago

the former 'president' is deluded and deranged

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @4.2.3    11 months ago

and defending the indefensible as usual

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
4.2.6  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.5    11 months ago

Still following me around trying to get the last word in.  It's really too bad you don't understand the written word as your drive-by snipe has nothing to do with my comment that you replied to.  But keep trying, maybe someday you'll get it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @4.2.6    11 months ago

I don't follow you around, never did, never will.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.8    11 months ago

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cjcold
Professor Quiet
4.3  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    11 months ago

Biden is far from corrupt!

He cares about the American people and does his best for us.

Trump sold out to Putin a long time ago. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @4.3    11 months ago

And yet, we can prove foreigners invested heavily into the notorious Biden Family!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.3.2  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.1    11 months ago

let's see that proof then ...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @4.3.2    11 months ago
let's see that proof then ...

Read a newspaper, listen to the news on radio or television, look at the news on the internet.

it's there but one does have to be willing to look instead of shouting "Uh, uh".

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4.3.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  cjcold @4.3    11 months ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
4.3.5  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.3    11 months ago

so, apparently you've got nothing then...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.3.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.1    11 months ago

You mean like

James Comer, R-Ky., on Friday revealed that his panel's investigation had uncovered evidence of Biden family business dealings in Africa, Asia, eastern Europe, and the Middle East.

Some people live with their head in their 4th point of contact.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.3.7  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.3.6    11 months ago

let's see that evidence then...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.3.9  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.3.6    11 months ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @4.3.7    11 months ago
let's see that evidence then...

Google it yourself, that way YOU can pick the source so we don't waste a bunch of time on you whining about the source.

One hint:

Open your eyes and your mind before doing it.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
4.3.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @4.3.5    11 months ago

Here is one example, others include Romania and Ukraine.

Over the course of 14 months, the Chinese energy conglomerate and its executives paid $4.8 million to entities controlled by Hunter Biden and his uncle, according to government records, court documents and newly disclosed bank statements, as well as emails contained on a copy of a laptop hard drive that purportedly once belonged to Hunter Biden.
 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.3.12  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3.11    11 months ago

Gee, I would fully expect that someone here will start bitching and whining about the SOURCE.so excellent job at providing one they usually LOVE.

Let's wait and see how these facts are denied and how they will deflect.

I am betting on simple ignoring of the facts as usual.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4.3.13  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.12    11 months ago

The way they have enabled the Biden grift via their defense and silence, while sky screaming about the Trumps for six years straight, is egregious and outrageous.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.3.14  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @4.3.13    11 months ago

Yeah, many on the left have long insisted that Trump was getting money from Russia.

The one thing the yahoos could never do is prove a lick of it or any illegal dealings by Trump in Russia.

Here, they have concrete evidence of Biden Family raking in MILLIONS, and suddenly they fall so strangely silent!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.3.15  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.12    11 months ago
I am betting on simple ignoring of the facts as usual.

Well, look at that--exactly as predicted!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4.3.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @4.3.7    11 months ago

I provided you a link.  Try reading it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    11 months ago

He can end the Ukraine War in 24 hours!

And the left goes nuts!

You got to love it!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    11 months ago

You love lies that much? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    11 months ago

It may be far fetched, but it's not a lie until he has a chance and fails. Even then it is basically a simple case of being cocky. And the left which has this country in such suffering gets all bent out of shape over his words.  That I do enjoy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    11 months ago

The only way the war could be ended in "24 hours" would be if Ukraine acquiesced to numerous Putin demands. Which is evidently what Trump has in mind, otherwise he wouldnt have said it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    11 months ago
The only way the war could be ended in "24 hours" would be if Ukraine acquiesced to numerous Putin demands.

That's not true. I could think of a few ways to end that war, as a matter of fact the US already passed on at least one:



But it sounds like you still want to promote the Clinton campaign hoax?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    11 months ago
He can end the Ukraine War in 24 hours!

yeah...he'll hand Ukraine to Putin in a nice box tied with a ribbon

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2    11 months ago

Lol .... all y’all think his 24 hour assertion is ridiculous and yet you believe he has the power to give Ukraine to Russia?

Hilarious!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2    11 months ago

So you believe that ANY US President has that kind of power over other nations?

That's rather odd.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.2    11 months ago
So you believe that ANY US President has that kind of power over other nations?

Do you believe the MAGA crowd believes him?   That really is the significant question.

Obviously Trump was full of shit on this item as well.

Is that the kind of rhetoric the GOP wants from its nominee?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.3    11 months ago

don't know, don't care and it wasn't what I asked.

maybe you can answer what was asked......

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.4    11 months ago

Is this the kind of rhetoric you want from your nominee?   Still claiming a rigged election, denying what is written in the PRA, etc.?

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.7  bugsy  replied to    11 months ago

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TᵢG
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5.2.8  TᵢG  replied to    11 months ago
funny you managed to not answer again.

This is something you should have learned in elementary school.

The PotUS is not a totalitarian ruler over this nation or any other nation on the planet.   The PotUS has great influence on many nations, but the nations remain sovereign.

Do you now understand?   Trump as PotUS has no power to end the war in 24 hours.   He might try something like fully backing Putin and withdrawing all support from Ukraine.   Hard to say with Trump.   But the idea that he can waltz in and negotiate peace in 24 hours is patently ridiculous.

You get that, right?

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.9  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.8    11 months ago
The PotUS has great influence on many nations,

Not the one we have in the White House now.

This one has made us a laughing stock

Aren't you embarrassed that Biden has made us a laughingstock to the rest of the world?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.12  TᵢG  replied to    11 months ago
well, gee none of the schools I attended in California, Nevada, Virginia, and Texas ever had any classes on answering what I asked.

Well hopefully you now know the answer to your question.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.13  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.2.9    11 months ago
Aren't you embarrassed that Biden has made us a laughingstock to the rest of the world?

It is a real shame that people like you are oblivious to the damage Trump has done to this nation.   All you do is deflect to Biden.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.15  TᵢG  replied to    11 months ago

Typical bullshit from you Texan.   I answer your stupid question and you continue whining.   Pure trolling.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.17  TᵢG  replied to    11 months ago

You claiming I am trolling you is the epitome of irony.

Here is the question you asked:

Texan @5.2.2 ☞ So you believe that ANY US President has that kind of power over other nations? That's rather odd.

Here is the answer I gave you.  Attempt to comprehend:

TiG @5.2.8

This is something you should have learned in elementary school.

The PotUS is not a totalitarian ruler over this nation or any other nation on the planet.   The PotUS has great influence on many nations, but the nations remain sovereign.

Do you now understand?   Trump as PotUS has no power to end the war in 24 hours.   He might try something like fully backing Putin and withdrawing all support from Ukraine.   Hard to say with Trump.   But the idea that he can waltz in and negotiate peace in 24 hours is patently ridiculous.

You get that, right?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.21  Texan1211  replied to    11 months ago

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Sparty On
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5.2.24  Sparty On  replied to    11 months ago

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bugsy
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5.2.25  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.13    11 months ago

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Texan1211
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5.2.26  Texan1211  replied to  dennis smith @5.2.22    11 months ago

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Ender
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5.2.27  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.17    11 months ago

Everyone read your answer. I decided I am no longer going to engage with some people's bullshit.

Not worth it. I wouldn't even try.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.33  Texan1211  replied to    11 months ago

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TᵢG
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5.3  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    11 months ago
He can end the Ukraine War in 24 hours!

Do you believe that?

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.3.1  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @5.3    11 months ago

why can't he do it now?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @5.3.1    11 months ago
why can't he do it now?

Pssst. Biden won, he is President.

I know its been kind of hard to tell, but he really is.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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6  Nerm_L    11 months ago

The fact that a media platform like CNN can chase ratings by giving Donald Trump a forum puts the lie to liberal Democrats' narrative.  Unfortunately the political environment has become warped to such a bizarre state that it's impossible to tell if this is due to Trump's popularity or the unpopularity of liberal Democrats.

Liberal Democrats wanted to force voters to choose sides.  It looks like voters are making choices.  Liberals plowed the field and sowed the crop, now they are complaining about the harvest.  Eat your peas, liberals.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1  Sparty On  replied to  Nerm_L @6    11 months ago

More like Lima beans.    Sour, dry Lima beans .... jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.2  cjcold  replied to  Nerm_L @6    11 months ago

Seems that CNN is no longer some sort of liberal site. New ownership and all.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @6.2    11 months ago
Seems that CNN is no longer some sort of liberal site

I thought it never was?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.1    11 months ago

You and all the dem/lib/liv/progs then it seems LOL

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.2    11 months ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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6.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.3    11 months ago

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TᵢG
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7  TᵢG    11 months ago
Kaitlin Collins spent much of the 90-minute event clashing with Trump over the answers she didn't seem to like.

What would you want a host to do when an answer is factually wrong or a flat out lie?  

Trump engaged in an impressive litany of lies.   Some were truly outrageous.   Yet you spin this as "answers she didn't seem to like" as if the host was wrong to challenge blatant falsehoods.  You clearly continue to make excuses for Trump no matter what.

2020 Election

Just minutes after the town hall began, Trump claimed the 2020 election was “rigged.”

Facts First: This is Trump’s regular lie. He lost the 2020 election to Biden fair and square, 306 to 232 in the Electoral College. Biden earned more than 7 million more votes than Trump did. Trump’s own campaign and senior officials in his administration found no evidence for his claims of widespread fraud.

Voter ID

Talking about the upcoming 2024 presidential election, Trump said “I hope we’re going to have very honest elections. We should have voter ID.”

Facts First: It’s misleading at best for Trump to claim voter ID doesn’t currently exist in US election.

Intelligence agents impact on the election

As part of his argument that the 2020 election was “rigged,” Trump claimed 51 intelligence agents “made a 16-point difference” in the outcome of the election.

Facts First: There is no evidence for this.

Trump appears to have been referring to a letter signed by former intelligence agents weeks before the 2020 election. The letter stated that the release of emails purportedly belonging to then-candidate Joe Biden’s son Hunter, which had been generating sensational stories in right-wing media, had “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

No proof of Russian involvement in the release of those emails has emerged, and Republicans have argued that the letter helped discredit negative stories about the Biden family just before the election. But there’s also no proof that the letter swayed the outcome of the election.

Security on January 6

Former President Donald Trump tried to blame then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for the violence on January 6, 2021 – when his own supporters stormed the US Capitol, claiming she was “in charge” of security that day.

Facts First: This is false. The speaker of the House is not in charge of Capitol security. That’s the responsibility of the Capitol Police Board, which oversees the US Capitol Police and approves requests for National Guard assistance.

Trump’s former acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller also told lawmakers that he was never given a formal order by Trump to have 10,000 troops ready to be sent to the Capitol on January 6. “There was no direct, there was no order from the president,” Miller said.

Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows sent an email saying the National Guard would be present to “protect pro Trump people” in the lead up to the US Capitol insurrection, according to the report released by the January 6 committee.

Gas prices and energy independence

Trump claimed gas prices are higher under Biden than under his administration, and that Biden ended US energy independence.

Facts First: Trump’s claims about gas prices are misleading. Trump claimed Wednesday that he got gas prices down to $1.87 – and “even lower” – but they increased to $7, $8 or even $9 under Biden. While the price of a gallon of regular gas did briefly fall to $1.87 (and lower) during the Covid-19 pandemic in 2020, the national average for regular gas on Trump’s last day in office, January 20, 2021, was much higher than that – $2.393 per gallon, according to data provided to CNN by the American Automobile Association. On Thursday, the national average for gas was $3.53, per AAA data, not $6, $7 or $8. California, the state with the highest prices as usual, had an average of $4.8, per AAA.

Trump’s claim that Biden shut down American energy is false even if Trump was talking specifically about non-renewable energy. US crude oil production in 2022 was the second-highest on record, behind only production in Trump-era 2019, and production in early 2023 has been near record highs. US production of dry natural gas set a new record in 2022. So did US exports of crude oil and petroleum products.

Biden has also approved some significant fossil fuel projects including the controversial Willow oil drilling project in Alaska, and his administration outpaced Trump’s when it came to approving oil and gas drilling permits in Biden’s first two years in office.

Phone call to Georgia’s secretary of state

Asked about the now-notorious phone call he made to Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and staff about election results, Trump claimed “I didn’t ask them to find anything.”

Facts First: This is a brazenly false claim, as CNN and other organizations obtained recordings of the call, in which Trump repeatedly suggests that Georgia election officials should be able to find thousands of votes and fraudulent ballots. Specifically, Trump said, “I just want to find 11,780 votes,” one more than he lost by.

Trump also told Raffensberger, a GOP official, “We think that if you check the signatures – a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged.”

It’s worth noting that Trump’s assertions of forged signatures and missing or miscounted votes were also baseless. The state certified its election results three times under Raffensperger’s leadership and found no mass voter fraud.

January 6 violence

Trump asserted “a couple” of the January 6 rioters “probably got out of control,” comparing the insurrection to left-leaning protests that turned violent in other cities.

Facts First: This statement is false. Hundreds of rioters have been charged with violence toward police on January 6 and Trump downplaying the violence and equivocating the insurrection with social justice protests fails to recognize the severity of the attack on the Capitol.

The January 6 riot of Trump-supporters who overran the Capitol has resulted in the largest law enforcement response in modern history – because of the sheer amount of violence on the ground, especially toward police, that day.

The number of rioters on January 6 who’ve been charged with violence toward police is in the hundreds.

Police on January 6

Trump said that the police officer who shot pro-Trump rioter Ashli Babbitt was a “thug” who “went on television to brag about the fact that he killed her.”

Facts First: The US Capitol Police officer involved in the shooting, Lt. Michael Byrd, was defending the Speaker’s Lobby, adjacent to the House chamber in the Capitol building, during the riot. Babbitt’s fatal shooting occurred as a crowd tried to push through the Speaker’s Lobby doorway while the House was in still in session, according to the House select committee investigating January 6.

The Capitol Police declined to pursue any disciplinary action against Byrd, saying that they had “determined the officer’s conduct was lawful and within Department policy.” The Justice Department also said they would not prosecute Byrd, saying there was “insufficient evidence” to support a criminal case.

Byrd later did an interview with “NBC Nightly News,” where he said that he acted because “there was imminent threat and danger to the members of Congress.” Byrd said during the interview that he came forward publicly after being the focus of vitriol in right-wing circles.

Jean Carroll

A day after a Manhattan federal jury found Trump sexually abused and defamed the writer E. Jean Carroll, Trump claimed that the jury in the civil trial found he did not rape her and said he “didn’t do anything else either.”

“They said he didn’t rape her, and I didn’t do anything else either,” Trump said.

Facts First: This statement requires more context. While the jury did not find that Carroll had proven rape, it did find that she proved Trump committed sexual abuse, sufficient to hold him liable for battery.

Carroll alleged Trump raped her in a Bergdorf Goodman department store in the mid-1990s and then later defamed her when he denied her claim.

In the civil suit, the jury had to determine whether Carroll’s legal team proved that Trump committed battery against Carroll by a preponderance of the evidence.

While it did not determine that Carroll’s team had proven rape – the state’s law says that a person is liable for rape when a person forces sexual intercourse with another person without their consent – it did find that they proved Trump committed sexual abuse.

The jury had been instructed that a person is liable for sexual abuse when they subject another person without consent to sexual contact, which under New York law means “any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person for the purpose of gratifying the sexual desire of either party.”

Inflation

Trump claimed that inflation under President Biden has been the highest level in 52 years.

Facts First: This is false. The inflation rate has been high by historical standards but was not close to a half-century high.

Last June, the year-over-year inflation rate hit its highest level since late 1981, 9.1%, a surge that was caused by a variety of factors, including the war in Ukraine, the global pandemic and its effect on consumer behavior, and supply chain disruptions. But about 41 years does not round to 52 years, and more importantly, year-over-year inflation has now declined for 10 straight months, hitting 4.9% in April, as measured by the Consumer Price Index.

Trump claimed that other presidents took records with them when they left the White House – including Barack Obama, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.

“The Presidential Records Act is not criminal. I took the documents. I’m allowed to. You know who else took them? Obama took them, Nixon took them. Reagan took them.”

Facts First: It is not true that past presidents took documents after they left office, as the National Archives and Records Administration itself pointed out in a statement in 2022. In reality, NARA was granted custody of the presidential records of former presidents (beginning with Ronald Reagan) as soon as these presidents left office, as required by the Presidential Records Act. In addition, it was NARA, not those presidents, that moved those documents out of the nation’s capital to NARA-managed temporary archival facilities near where their permanent presidential libraries would be built.

After Trump began making these false claims last year, NARA issued an October 2022 statement saying that it gained physical and legal custody of the records from Obama, Clinton, Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush “when those presidents left office.” It said of the temporary facilities to which the documents were moved: “All such temporary facilities met strict archival and security standards, and have been managed and staffed exclusively by NARA employees. Reports that indicate or imply that those Presidential records were in the possession of the former Presidents or their representatives, after they left office, or that the records were housed in substandard conditions, are false and misleading.”

In other words, there is no equivalence between how Trump handled presidential documents and how those previous presidents did. In Trump’s case, the presidential documents found at Mar-a-Lago, including documents marked classified, were in Trump’s possession despite numerous attempts by both NARA and the Justice Department to get them back.

In an April 24 statement, NARA General Counsel Gary M. Stern clarified that NARA sent staff members to the White House in the final weeks of the Trump Administration “to assist with the move of the physical records (including artifacts), in coordination with the DOD team that NARA employed to transport the records from the White House complex to the National Archives.”

Stern noted that the assistance provided was in line with what NARA had done for the three previous Presidential transitions.

Finally, Trump is correct that the Presidential Records Act is not a criminal law. Yet the Justice Department has made clear Trump is being investigated because of classified records that the NARA found in boxes that he returned a year after he left office, and his subsequent actions. The DOJ’s criminal investigation continues to focus on the possible mishandling of national security information and federal records, as well as possible attempts by Trump or others to obstruct justice after the criminal investigation became known.

Aid to Ukraine

Trump claimed that the US has provided $171 billion “so far” to Ukraine in its war against Russia, while the European Union cumulatively has given $20 billion in aid. He also claimed that the US is “giving away so much” that “we don’t have ammunition for ourselves right now.”

Fact First: Both assertions are false. Since the beginning of the war in Ukraine last February, the US has provided Ukraine $36.9 billion in military aid. And while some US and European weapon stockpiles have been depleted, the claim that the US does not have ammunition is false.

The US military and defense industry are planning to increase production of critical ammunition being sent to Ukraine to fill US stocks. The US Army is planning a 500% increase in 155mm artillery shells, a roughly 33% increase in Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (GMLRS) surface-to-surface medium-range missiles a year, doubling production of Javelin anti-tank missiles, and increasing production of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles to a minimum of 60 a month.

Trump won't say whether he wants Russia or Ukraine to win war

Classification of documents

Trump claimed that the classified documents from the White House were “automatically declassified” when he took them to Mar-a-Lago.

Facts First: There is no evidence to back up this assertion. Trump and his team have not provided any proof that Trump actually conducted some sort of broad declassification of the documents that ended up at Mar-a-Lago – and, so far, his lawyers notably have not argued in their court filings that Trump did so.

The Justice Department said in an August 2022 court filing that Trump’s representatives never asserted that documents had been declassified—not in January 2022 when they voluntarily turned over 15 boxes that included 184 unique documents with classification markings, nor in June 2022 when Trump’s team responded to a subpoena by returning another batch that included 38 additional unique documents with classification markings.

In addition, 18 former top Trump administration officials, including two former White House chiefs of staff who spoke on the record, told CNN at the time that they never heard of a standing Trump declassification order when they were serving in the administration and that they now believe the claim is false. The former officials used words like “ludicrous,” “ridiculous” and “bullsh*t.”

“Total nonsense,” said one person who served as a senior White House official. “If that’s true, where is the order with his signature on it? If that were the case, there would have been tremendous pushback from the Intel Community and DoD, which would almost certainly have become known to Intel and Armed Services Committees on the Hill.”

Border wall

Trump claimed that he had finished his promised wall on the border with Mexico.

“I did finish the wall. I built a wall,” he said. “I built hundreds of miles of wall, and I finished it, and then I said we have to build some more.”

Facts First: It’s not true that Trump finished the border wall. According to an official “Border Wall Status” report written by US Customs and Border Protection two days after Trump left office, about 458 miles of wall had been completed under Trump – but about 280 more miles that had been identified for wall construction had not been completed. The report said that at the time, just 52 miles of new wall had been constructed in locations where no barriers previously existed.

The report, provided to CNN’s Priscilla Alvarez, said that, of those 280 miles left to go, about 74 miles were “in the pre-construction phase and have not yet been awarded, in locations where no barriers currently exist,” and that 206 miles were “currently under contract, in place of dilapidated and outdated designs and in locations where no barriers previously existed.”

Presidential Records Act

Trump claimed on Wednesday night he had “every right under the Presidential Records Act” to keep classified documents from his White House after he left the presidency. “I have the absolute right to do whatever I want to do with them,” he said.

Facts First: Trump’s claim is false.

The Presidential Records Act says that the moment a president leaves office, the National Archives and Records Administration gets legal custody and control of all presidential records from his administration. Nothing in the law says there should be a negotiation between a former president and NARA over a former president’s return of presidential documents – much less that there should have been a monthslong battle after NARA first contacted Trump’s team in 2021 to try to get some of the records that had not been handed over at the end of his presidency.

The key sentence from the Presidential Records Act is unequivocal: “Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President.”

Jason R. Baron, former director of litigation at NARA, told CNN in a March 2023 email: “The former President is simply wrong as a matter of law. As of noon on January 20, 2021, when President Biden took office, all presidential records of the Trump Administration came into the legal custody of the Archivist of the United States. Full stop. That means no presidential records ever should have been transferred to Mar-a-Lago, and there was no further talking or negotiating to be had.”

Timothy Naftali, a CNN presidential historian, New York University professor and former director of the Richard Nixon Presidential Library, described Trump’s claim as “nonsense” and said the former president’s description of the Presidential Records Act is “a matter of fantasy,” concocted to allow Trump to “pretend that he’s a victim.”

The law, Naftali said in March 2023, makes clear that documents Trump had at Mar-a-Lago are presidential records that legally belong to the public and are legally required to be in NARA’s custody. The law provides “no room for debates and discussions between presidential advisers and the National Archives at the end a presidency” about such records, Naftali said.

In April 2023, the Society of American Archivists, a professional association, published its own fact check of Trump’s claim, saying it is “patently false.”

Negotiating with NARA over documents

Trump said repeatedly his team was negotiating with the National Archives over his presidential records after he left office, accusing the Justice Department of unnecessarily escalating the situation with the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago in August 2022.

“We were negotiating with NARA. All of a sudden they raid our house,” Trump said on Wednesday night.

Facts First: Trump’s statement has a few problems. First, there’s no provision for negotiating over Presidential records at the end of a term. Second, Trump left out several key events ahead of the FBI’s search of Trump’s Florida beach resort. Trump’s representatives had been in discussions with the National Archives for months before they shipped back 15 boxes. In those, the Archives found many records with classified markings, prompting the agency to get the Justice Department involved.

Federal criminal investigators wanted the FBI and the intelligence community to review the returned documents for possible damage to national security. Around the same time, prosecutors visited Mar-a-Lago to try to make sure all classified records were back in the federal government’s possession, following up on a May 2022 grand jury subpoena seeking all classified records in Trump’s possession.

Trump’s lawyers handed over an envelope wrapped in tape with a few dozen more documents in it.

But then, prosecutors developed additional evidence that even more classified records were still being kept at Mar-a-Lago – and that documents in a locked storage room that the investigators had noticed containing boxes had been concealed and removed from the room.

That series of events during the summer of 2022 – specifically the questions it raised that someone within Mar-a-Lago tried to obstruct federal investigators from finding records Trump failed to turn over in response to a grand jury subpoena – provided some of the basis for the DOJ to get court approval to search the club.

Abortion

In defending his stance on abortion, Trump accused Democrats and Hillary Clinton of supporting abortion late into the third trimester, saying that “they will kill the baby in the ninth month.”

Facts First: This is misleading.

Clinton’s stance was that mothers whose health or life is in jeopardy should be allowed to terminate a pregnancy at any point up until birth. Later term abortions are rare. In 2020, less than 1% of abortions in the US occurred at 21 weeks or later, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The vast majority of abortions (93%) occurred at or before 13 weeks.

Under Roe v. Wade, states had the authority to regulate or ban abortion in the third trimester except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.

Tax cuts

Trump touted that he got Americans the biggest tax cuts in history, which helped spur a strong economy.

“We created the greatest economy in history. A big part of that economy was I got you the biggest tax cuts in the history of our country, bigger than the Reagan cuts,” Trump said, referring to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017.

Facts First: Trump is wrong. At least two analyses have found that the act was not the largest in history, though they differ on where it ranks.

The act made numerous permanent and temporary changes to the tax code, including reducing both corporate and individual income tax rates.

The Treasury Department has examined the size of past tax cuts and found that since 1968, three other tax cut bills have been bigger, including former President Ronald Reagan’s 1981 package and two bills passed by former President Barack Obama to extend earlier tax cuts signed by former President George W. Bush.

Treasury measured the sizes of tax cuts by looking at the revenue effects of the bills as a percentage of gross domestic product – in other words, how much federal revenue the bill cuts away as a portion of the economy. Reagan’s 1981 cut was 2.9% of GDP. Obama’s tax cut extensions in 2010 and 2012 were 1.3% and 1.8%, respectively.

Trump’s tax cut, by contrast, was estimated to be about 1.1 % of GDP per year.

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget found that the framework for the tax cuts would be the eighth largest since 1918, as a percentage of gross domestic product.

Pence on January 6

Trump said that he doesn’t believe then Vice President Mike Pence was “in any danger” during the several hours that a pro-Trump mob laid siege to the Capitol building on January 6, 2021.

Facts First: While Trump’s belief is subjective, this statement leaves out key details.

Although Pence was safely evacuated from the Senate chamber, swarms of rioters were caught on videotape moving through the Capitol building chanting “hang Mike Pence!”

Other threats levied at Pence from members of the mob included “If Pence caved, we’re going to drag m*therf*ckers through the streets,” and that Pence “is nothing but a traitor” and “deserves to burn with the rest of them.”

Pence himself said that the former president’s “reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know that history will hold Donald Trump accountable.”

NATO

Trump suggested he was able to get European NATO members to increase their defense spending commitments where his predecessors had failed.

“I got them to put up hundreds of billions of dollars that they weren’t paying under Obama and Bush and all of these other presidents,” Trump said.

Facts First: This is misleading. While European NATO members’ defense spending did increase under Trump, their spending had been increasing before he took office, including under Obama.

NATO notes on its website that 2022 was “the eighth consecutive year of rising defence spending across European Allies and Canada.”

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg did credit Trump for securing increases in European NATO members’ defense spending, but those countries’ spending had also increased in the last two years of the Obama administration following Russia’s 2014 annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea and the recommitment that year to the guideline calling for NATO members to spend at least 2% of their GDP on military.

Votes cast in Wisconsin

Among Trump’s litany of falsehoods about the 2020 election, he claimed “so many illegal votes were cast in Wisconsin,” and that “in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, they had so many illegal votes.

Facts First: There is no evidence of illegal votes cast in Wisconsin. A recount requested by the Trump campaign specifically confirmed the initial result establishing Joe Biden’s victory in the state.

Milwaukee County, Wisconsin’s largest, certified its presidential general election results after the requested recount, which found that Biden actually saw a small net gain in votes.

It’s possible Trump was referring to a state Supreme Court ruling from July 2022 that bars the use of most ballot drop boxes in Wisconsin for future elections. Trump has used that ruling to renew his claims that he won Wisconsin because ballot drop boxes were in use.

Wisconsin Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, a Republican, said Trump even called him after the ruling in hopes of launching a fresh effort to decertify the state’s 2020 presidential election results, which is constitutionally impossible at this time. Additionally, the ruling does not mean the use of ballot drop boxes in the 2020 election were illegal.
 
 
 
devangelical
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7.1  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @7    11 months ago
You clearly continue to make excuses for Trump no matter what.

he still believes everything that traitorous fraud says...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @7.1    11 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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7.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7    11 months ago

You do have a case on the majority of that. I am glad that you put up a lot of what was actually said last night.

How do you rate the way Collins handled it?

I think a host can call out false statements without getting into debate. That is what people have to be careful of when they interview those whom they have an ideological disagreement with.

Falsehoods aside, Trump was a good President and Biden has been a national disaster that we may never recover from. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2    11 months ago
I think a host can call out false statements without getting into debate. That is what people have to be careful of when they interview those whom they have an ideological disagreement with.

I doubt anyone could deal with someone who will incessantly make blatant (and sometimes outrageous) lies.

What do you do when Trump falsely claims that the PRA allowed him to take the documents?   That is the exact opposite of what the PRA states!   The host noted that every time Trump falsely made the claim.     Etc. etc. etc. ....

You spin repeated challenges of Trump's repeated lies as the host getting into a debate.  

How do you rate the way Collins handled it?

I think she did as well as anyone could with Trump.   Most people we experience in life have a governor (a limit) on the number and outrageousness of their lies.   Not Trump.   He is an outlier on the liar normal curve.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.1    11 months ago
You spin repeated challenges of Trump's repeated lies as the host getting into a debate.  

Your spin stands alone. Nobody has told more blatant lies than Joe Biden, the Manchurian candidate.


I think she did as well as anyone could with Trump.

It's not really that difficult. When Trump says you should have to show an ID to cast a vote, you gently nod and say you are absolutely right sir.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.2    11 months ago
Your spin stands alone.

How lame can you get?   What spin have I offered?   Deliver the quote to back up your false accusation.

When Trump says you should have to show an ID to cast a vote, you gently nod and say you are absolutely right sir.

You pick an example of Trump offering an opinion.   My point was about Trump lying.   You know the distinction, why play these stupid games, Vic?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.3    11 months ago
You pick an example of Trump offering an opinion.

How about when he told people with your mindset for 4 years that he didn't collude with Russia.

That was the big lie.

And we heard not a peep from you!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.4    11 months ago
How about when he told people with your mindset for 4 years that he didn't collude with Russia.

What does that have to do with his lies last night?   Focus, Vic, instead of constant deflection (and lying about what I have written).

And we heard not a peep from you!

Do you think I jumped on that bandwagon??    Further, have you heard a peep from me regarding Hunter?   Your cherry-picking is pathetic.   Deal with the content at hand instead of playing your stupid games.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.5    11 months ago
Focus, Vic,

You fucking focus. He's been right far more often than he's been wrong and your guy Biden is a perpetual liar. Are you using your critical thinking to wait and see if Joe was in on all the influence peddling as all of these BS cases are brought against a Presidential candidate, by his opponent's DOJ, no less? Focus in and tell us how one candidate gets to investigate his opponent while being in charge of an investigation of his own son. It is simply outrageous. Everything is being destroyed in this country and you are worried about Trump winning.

Your cherry-picking is pathetic.

Not mine; YOURS.

Btw your list up there is not quite right. For example: THAT IS THE DEMOCRAT POSITION ON ABORTION!   The dems have gotten away with characterizing their position as well as that of their oponents. I heard what Trump said about the former Governor of Virginia. Was he right or not?

I already see the left wing media trying to cover for Northam.

Here:

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.6    11 months ago

And the reason you call him a liar on the tax cut because it was not the biggest. Who gives a fuck. He did it  Democrats don't want to cut taxes

And your complaint with him getting on NATO was that they were aleardy starting to come around?  That really petty. It was Trump who made it an issue.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.6    11 months ago
You fucking focus.

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He's been right far more often than he's been wrong and your guy Biden is a perpetual liar. 

More presumption.   Biden is not 'my guy'.   But your implication that Biden's lying is worse than Trump's is absurd.   I do not think anyone can hold a candle to Trump in the lying department.

Are you using your critical thinking to wait and see if Joe was in on all the influence peddling as all of these BS cases are brought against a Presidential candidate, by his opponent's DOJ, no less?

Again, you leap to Biden to deflect.   I have not engaged in the Hunter saga and will likely not do so until there is some clarity.   Just like I did not engage in the Russian collusion saga.    See?    You presume way too much and seem to operate on your stereotype instead of actually reacting to what I write.

Focus in and tell us how one candidate gets to investigate his opponent while being in charge of an investigation of his own son.

And you continue to attempt to deflect.   My post was about Trump's lying during the Town Hall.    Remember?   Focus.

Not mine; YOURS.

Show me where I cherry-picked.   Yet another bullshit allegation from you without any supporting facts.

Btw your list up there is not quite right. For example:  THAT IS THE DEMOCRAT POSITION ON ABORTION!   The dems have gotten away with characterizing their position as well as that of their oponents. I heard what Trump said about the former Governor of Virginia. Was he right or not?

That is not my list ... it is a list from CNN compiling fact checks on the Town Hall.   But the quote on abortion is what Trump said.   Did you not watch the Town Hall?  Look it up and then get back to me when you know what you are talking about.   Further, look at this to get a better feel on the D position on abortion:  .  They do not seem to be as gung-ho on partial-birth abortions as Trump claimed.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.9  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.7    11 months ago
And the reason you call him a liar on the tax cut because it was not the biggest.

Again, CNN's compiled list ... not mine.   But the list did indeed state that Trump's was not the biggest tax cut.   He said it was, but it was not.   Factually incorrect.   You have a problem with them correcting a false 'fact'?

Who gives a fuck. He did it 

Nobody has claimed that he did not sponsor a tax cut.   Get a grip.  

Democrats don't want to cut taxes

Again, focus.   You are all over the map.  Calm down and collect your thoughts.

And your complaint with him getting on NATO was that they were aleardy starting to come around?  That really petty. It was Trump who made it an issue.

Again, not my list.   And the NATO thing is probably one of the most debatable items.   You deflect and cherry-pick to avoid the point.


So, Vic, when Trump claimed he had the right to take classified documents per the PRA was he stating a falsehood or not?   (He was stating a falsehood.   He is totally full of shit since the PRA states that all such documents immediately fall under the purview of the incoming administration.   Legal custody goes to the archivist.  Trump was neither. )  

Was Trump correct in his claim that the documents are immediately declassified as soon as he takes them?    (No, Trump is again full of shit.   He had the right to declassify them but he must act to do so;  he cannot just 'think it'.)

You run from the blatant lies, toss up the debatable items and deflect like crazy the rest of the time.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
7.2.10  cjcold  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.1    11 months ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @7.2.10    11 months ago
Pretty sure that many Trump defenders here actually work for Putin funded propaganda outlets.

Well, of course you are 'sure'.

No facts needed, right?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.9    11 months ago
You have a problem with them correcting a false 'fact'?

Absolutely. Trump propossed and passed a tax cut that took way too long because then Speaker Paul Ryan convinced everyone that the Trump legislative agenda should be carried out in specific order with repealling & replacing Obamacare first. Many Republican voters who never had (or paid into health insurance) had begun recieving Obamacare and Republicans discovered, way too late, that they couldn't do it. Thus, almost two years were wasted, yet Trump got his tax cut passed. You and CNN want to classify his passing that tax cut as "a lie" simply because Trump called it "the biggest?"  Trump has zero modesty. He can call it the biggest or the best if he wants. He got it done.


Nobody has claimed that he did not sponsor a tax cut. 

That's the problem. People have a hard time distinguishing between a boast and a blatant lie like the one Karine Jean-Pierre told the other day. She said there was a 90% drop in illegal immigration. That was a humungous lie. The opposite of the truth. Please show us the CNN fact checking on that.


So, Vic, when Trump claimed he had the right to take classified documents per the PRA was he stating a falsehood or not?

Wrong again. Trump believes that a President can declassify documents whenever he wants. Biden maintains that he didn't know how he ended up with classified documents in his garage and elswhere. Does Biden really believe that or is he lying?


You run from the blatant lies, toss up the debatable items and deflect like crazy the rest of the time.

The day you acknowledge the blatant lies of Biden and the deep state and those in the media is the day you get to talk like that. For now just keep ignoring the fact that Trump had the guts to show up at a CNN town hall and he got his message out despite a host who thought that she should "fact check" the man who put her to shame. It was fun to watch.

Let's see if CNN or any other leftist media site dares to invite him on again. 






 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.13  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.12    11 months ago
You and CNN want to classify his passing that tax cut as "a lie" simply because Trump called it "the biggest?" 

This is an example of why I counter your crap, Vic.   You dishonestly twist what was stated.

Nobody suggested that Trump did not get his tax cuts passed.   The lie is that he claimed his were the biggest tax cuts in history ... ever.   Only the lie was countered.

Get a grip.

People have a hard time distinguishing between a boast and a blatant lie

It is a blatant lie for Trump to claim he passed the biggest tax cuts in history.   The contortions you go through to make excuses for him is pathetic.    It is not a lie for Trump to claim he passed tax cuts;  he (and you) should stick with the truth.

Wrong again. Trump believes that a President can declassify documents whenever he wants.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.   What Trump believes is irrelevant.   The PRA does NOT allow him to take classified documents with him at the end of his term.   It was created to do the exact opposite — to prevent the taking of documents.

You are dead wrong and instead of honestly accepting that, you absurdly and falsely claim I am wrong.   Don't follow the lead of Trump and make up your own 'facts' ... especially when what you claim is provably false.

The day you acknowledge the blatant lies of Biden...

Constant deflection and nonsense.    Where do you see me defending Biden's lies?   Where do you see me stating that Biden always tells the truth?  

For now just keep ignoring the fact that Trump had the guts to show up at a CNN town hall and he got his message out despite a host who thought that she should "fact check" the man who put her to shame. It was fun to watch.

Do not attempt to suggest that you are anything other than a die hard, blind Trump supporter.   

Do you even recognize that his "message" was a pack of lies?   You think it was fun to watch Trump blatantly lie?    You dishonestly defend Trump's lies and are part of the reason why Trump is the likely nominee of the GOP.


All the above applies to JustJim and Jeremy too since they voted up your utter nonsense.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.13    11 months ago
The lie is that he claimed his were the biggest tax cuts in history ... ever.

That is a boast...a Trumpism. Everything he does is the best or the biggest. Is the kind of lying that you are in a lather about.

BTW he aced that Town Hall last night.

Tell us:

What did he say when he was asked how he would cure inflation?


You chose Marxism over Trump.

That applies to 8 others here as well!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.15  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.14    11 months ago

You know some folks hang on every Trump utterance.It is kind of funny, I think the ones who hate Trump are far more invested in him than most folks are.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.15    11 months ago
It is kind of funny, I think the ones who hate Trump are far more invested in him than most folks are.

You know what it is?

Trump is the opposite of woke...

And there is nothing more evil than woke.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.17  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.14    11 months ago
That is a boast...a Trumpism.

Of course it is a boast.   That does not change the fact that it is a lie.   You get that, right?

You chose Marxism over Trump.

What are you babbling about now?   Get a grip.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.18  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.15    11 months ago

So you do not recognize that Vic is doing somersaults trying to spin away Trump's lies?

Which is worse in your mind, calling out publicly broadcast lies by a former PotUS or dishonestly making excuses for his lies?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.2.19  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.18    11 months ago

Is this seed about Vic?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.20  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @7.2.19    11 months ago

No, it is about what Vic wrote about the Town Hall.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.2.21  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.20    11 months ago

Sure it is.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.2.22  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.14    11 months ago

What's the difference between a lie and a 'blatant lie?'

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2.23  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.7    11 months ago
Democrats don't want to cut taxes

... not for the wealthy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.24  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @7.2.19    11 months ago
Is this seed about Vic?

I am sure the topic is whatever one wishes it to be.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.25  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @7.2.23    11 months ago
. not for the wealthy.

Democrats likely want to give more taxpayer money disguised as "refunds" to people who pay little to no income taxes!

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
7.2.26  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.14    11 months ago

Most of the time, [removed] that "fact checks" Biden is simply injecting their triggered feelings into the mix and calling what they don't like a lie.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
7.3  Kavika   replied to  TᵢG @7    11 months ago

What do you expect from a natural born liar. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.3.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @7.3    11 months ago

eeek! our military is all out of ammo... /s

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
7.3.2  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @7.3.1    11 months ago

Our military industrial complex loves increasing productivity.

Anybody who wants/needs more is a big + for arms manufacturers and dealers.

The right wing lie that Ukraine is taking all of America's bullets is insane.

Seems that the far right wing these days are in Putin's pocket. Trump sure is!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.3.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @7.3    11 months ago

It was a tough night for the left, wasn't it?


 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.3.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @7.3.1    11 months ago

"What would you do about inflation (that Biden caused) ?"

"Drill baby drill!"

My favorite line.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @7.3.2    11 months ago

and yet you have always been unable to prove your outlandish, silly little claims.

I don't wonder why, either 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.3.7  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.4    11 months ago

Like a braying jackass.    

She certainly picked the right party.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
7.3.8  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.4    11 months ago

I didn't think it was a rough night for the left, it simply showed once again Trump is a babbling liar. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.3.9  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @7.3.8    11 months ago

YA!  Whatever pops into his stupid head just falls right out of his asshole of a mouth

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.3.10  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.5    11 months ago
"Drill baby drill!"

are you talking about sarah? is she still getting drilled by that hockey player? meh, nobody's guarding that net anymore...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.4  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @7    11 months ago

I just picked one issue as I don’t feel like responding to all of war and peace ......

Facts First: This is misleading. While European NATO members’ defense spending did increase under Trump, their spending had been increasing before he took office, including under Obama.

NATO notes on its website that 2022 was “the eighth consecutive year of rising defence spending across European Allies and Canada.”

Not completely true.    While it’s true Europe/Canadian spending in aggregate was increasing under Obama, it also rose steadily under Trump but has steadily decreased under Biden’s watch.

The Euro/Canadian aggregate clearly doesn’t respect the Biden administration.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.4.1  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @7.4    11 months ago

I am not surprised you picked an issue that was debatable.

The point of my post was to emphasize the volume of blatant / outrageous lies told by Trump in less than an hour.

In another reply to Vic I offered Trump's absurd PRA bullshit as an example.

Another example which illustrates how utterly stupid Trump thinks his supporters are is this response to a question on him not finishing the wall:

“I did finish the wall. I built a wall,” he said. “I built hundreds of miles of wall, and I finished it, and then I said we have to build some more.”

And of course we have the blatant lie of automatic declassification:

Trump claimed that the classified documents from the White House were “automatically declassified” when he took them to Mar-a-Lago.

On and on yet people continue to make excuses for this con-man.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.4.2  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @7.4.1    11 months ago

That spending went down under Biden’s watch, is not debatable.   It’s fact.    Your link is misleading in this regard.

A lie if you will......

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.4.3  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @7.4.2    11 months ago

Again you focus on an item that is debatable — the item is entitled NATO.   One can, as you are doing, debate nuances and implications of this item.   Given.  Not the point.

You are deflecting from (and ignoring) the point I made:  the volume of blatant / outrageous lies told by Trump in less than an hour.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.4.4  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @7.4.3    11 months ago

I’m not ignoring anything.    The same can not be said for you..   You ignore that I made myself clear in the first sentence, of my first post.

That said I know you like the truth.    

Why did you offer up a lie?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.4.5  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @7.4.4    11 months ago

You are trolling.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.4.6  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @7.4.5    11 months ago

Lol, classic response when you get cornered.  

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.4.8  TᵢG  replied to    11 months ago

Stumped on what?

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
7.4.9  pat wilson  replied to  TᵢG @7.4.8    11 months ago

Uh oh TiG ! You're stumped and cornered. 

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.4.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sparty On @7.4.6    11 months ago

TiG isn't a moderator so how can he censor you?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.4.13  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.4.11    11 months ago

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bugsy
Professor Participates
7.4.14  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.4.11    11 months ago

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Nerm_L
Professor Expert
7.5  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @7    11 months ago
What would you want a host to do when an answer is factually wrong or a flat out lie?  

The role of a journalist is not to debate people they are interviewing.  Kaitlin Collins became an active participant as a news maker which is not the role of journalists.

That may be difficult to understand, so let's try to use an analogy.  The functions of journalists have many similarities to the functions of scientists.  A scientist that becomes embedded in an experiment, attempting to direct the experimental results, is bad science.  A journalist that embeds themselves in the news as an active participant in shaping the news is bad journalism.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.5.1  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @7.5    11 months ago
The role of a journalist is not to debate people they are interviewing.  

You translate challenging lies as debate.   So what should she have done, Nerm, just accept whatever Trump says?   Then you would accuse her of failing to fact check Trump.

No matter who was the host here, I predict you, et. al., would be critical of the host and deflect from the blatant liar Trump.

I see a pattern here.   GOP members ignoring Trump's lies and focusing attention elsewhere.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
7.5.2  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @7.5.1    11 months ago
You translate challenging lies as debate.   So what should she have done, Nerm, just accept whatever Trump says?   Then you would accuse her of failing to fact check Trump.

If the intent was to debate Trump then someone else should have been on the stage to do that.  Are we to believe that CNN could not find anyone willing to debate Trump?

Kaitlin Collins embedded CNN in politics as an active participant.  CNN is not a news organization, CNN is a political organization because its representatives are active participants in political debate.  Kaitlin Collins was not host of an interview, Kaitlin Collins was an active participant in a political debate.  Kaitlin Collins is a politician and not a journalist.

No matter who was the host here, I predict you, et. al., would be critical of the host and deflect from the blatant liar Trump. I see a pattern here.   GOP members ignoring Trump's lies and focusing attention elsewhere

If the intent was to host a debate then someone else needed to be on stage to engage in the debate.  Apparently the intent was for CNN to directly debate Trump.  If that was the intent then CNN is a political organization and not a news organization.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.5.3  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @7.5.1    11 months ago

I think you need someone who is either forceful or a big personality to confront Trump. I dont think this 30 year old from CNN was either.  I am sure she got this assignment because CNN wants to promote her as the next big thing. She is going to get a prime time show any day now, it has already been announced. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.5.4  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @7.5.2    11 months ago
If the intent was to debate Trump then someone else should have been on the stage to do that. 

I do not see this as an attempt to debate Trump.   You and Vic called it a debate, not me.   I disagreed with that characterization.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.5.5  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @7.5.3    11 months ago
I think you need someone who is either forceful or a big personality to confront Trump.

When Trump repeatedly denies the blatantly obvious and simply repeats his lie, what would the absolute most experienced host do other than fact check and then, when that has no effect, move on to the next question?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
7.5.6  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @7.5.4    11 months ago
I do not see this as an attempt to debate Trump.   You and Vic called it a debate, not me.   I disagreed with that characterization.

Disagreeing with the characterization as a debate doesn't change the fact that Kaitlin Collins became an active participant in an adversarial dispute with Trump.  Apparently that was Trump's intent.  Kaitlin Collins did what Trump wanted her to do; apparently for political purposes.

Collins wasn't letting the facts speak for themselves.  Collins was engaged in proving Trump wrong as an adversarial participant in a political discussion.  That put Trump in the driver's seat and gave Trump control of the, so called, interview to deliver his political message.  The facts became unimportant; the interview became a political contest between Donald Trump and Katlin Collins.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.5.7  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @7.5.6    11 months ago
Disagreeing with the characterization as a debate doesn't change the fact that Kaitlin Collins became an active participant in an adversarial dispute with Trump. 

Because she fact checked him???    Because she repeated her fact checking when he repeated his lies???

Why do you make excuses for Trump?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.5.8  JBB  replied to  TᵢG @7.5.7    11 months ago

Where orders to defend Trump come from!

original

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.5.9  TᵢG  replied to  JBB @7.5.8    11 months ago

I was there in 2019.   Love the architecture.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
7.5.10  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @7.5.7    11 months ago
Because she fact checked him???    Because she repeated her fact checking when he repeated his lies???

Isn't that what participants in a debate do?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.5.11  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @7.5.8    11 months ago

That is an ignorant post.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.5.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @7.5.9    11 months ago

How old is that building?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.5.13  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @7.5.10    11 months ago
Isn't that what participants in a debate do?

This was not a debate, Nerm.   It was a town hall with a host who asked questions and fact-checked some (most?) of the answers.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.5.14  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.5.12    11 months ago
How old is that building?

Finished in 1561

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
7.5.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @7.5.11    11 months ago

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Nerm_L
Professor Expert
7.5.16  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @7.5.13    11 months ago
This was not a debate, Nerm.   It was a town hall with a host who asked questions and fact-checked some (most?) of the answers.

So, you've said.  And I acknowledged your disagreement with that characterization.  But you've doubled down on the fact checking claim.  Which raises the question 'isn't that what participants in a debate do?'

Participants in a debate fact check each other.  So, it seems you are attempting to make a distinction without a difference.  I'm fact checking your commentary.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7.5.17  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @7.5.11    11 months ago

Part and parcel for the TDS ridden.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.5.18  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @7.5.8    11 months ago
Where orders to defend Trump come from!

Stop trying to defend entertainers pretending to be journalists.  If these entertainers want to be journalists then hold their feet to the fire.

Trump claims the election was rigged.  That raises questions the public needs answered.  As President, what actions did Trump take to ensure the integrity of the election?  Why did the sitting President of the United States allow an election to be rigged?

We only need a real journalist to put those questions to Trump.  Entertainers peeing down their legs over Trump's lies may be entertaining.  But wet socks ain't journalism.

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.5.19  bugsy  replied to  Nerm_L @7.5.16    11 months ago

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Nerm_L
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7.5.20  Nerm_L  replied to  bugsy @7.5.19    11 months ago
Removed for context - sandy

No, I'm accused of defending Putin.  That's why the photo of the Kremlin was posted.  Zelensky's ass must taste like vanilla since the Biden collective lick it like a soft serve cone.

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.5.21  bugsy  replied to  Nerm_L @7.5.20    11 months ago

What's hilarious is not that far distant past, leftists were stating the Ukraine was getting what they deserved because the country was full of "Nazis".

I wonder what the change of heart towards nazis came from?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.5.22  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @7.5.20    11 months ago
No, I'm accused of defending Putin.

It doesn't take much, does it?

China could attack us overnight and they'll still be babbling about Putin!  Hillary launched the narrative that will never die!

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.5.23  bugsy  replied to  Nerm_L @7.5.20    11 months ago
No, I'm accused of defending Putin. 

But indirectly defending Trump because to most leftists, Trump is a Putin "puppet", while ignoring the foreign puppeteers flinging Biden around.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7.5.24  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.5.22    11 months ago
It doesn't take much, does it?  China could attack us overnight and they'll still be babbling about Putin!  Hillary launched the narrative that will never die!

Maybe what we need is a big, red reset button.

BTW, China is already buying the United States so China would end attacking itself.  Looks like China might have even bought a President, too.  Wonder if that was wholesale or retail?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7    11 months ago
After all, Trump literally claimed that he finished the wall. 

And no link!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.6.1  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.6    11 months ago

Did you watch the Town Hall?

You need a link to see Trump make this claim?

From the transcript:

COLLINS: When it comes to big questions about what your immigration policy would look like if you are re-elected, some of your Republican rivals have criticized you for not fulfilling the promises that you made on the campaign trail like finishing the border wall. So how do voters know that you would get those done if you’re re-elected?

TRUMP: I did finish the wall. I built a wall. I built–

COLLINS: You didn’t finish the wall.

TRUMP: – hundreds of miles of wall. And I finished it. And then I said, we have to build some more because there are areas like water going through a dam. There are some areas where a lot of people are coming. You close up one and they come into another. And we started another 100 miles of wall. In fact, I said to my people, if we start this and don’t finish it, and then we had a rigged election, I’m sorry to say it. And–

Who is deluded enough to listen to Trump's nonsense and walk away believing he kept his campaign promise and built the wall?

Finishing A wall (hundreds of miles) is not the same as finishing THE wall.   Trump (obviously to any functioning mind) did not finish the border wall.

Are you going to try to spin this too?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8  JohnRussell    11 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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8.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8    11 months ago

Are you replacing the meme guy?

I'll miss him / S

 
 
 
JBB
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8.1.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1    11 months ago

original

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1    11 months ago

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