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Who Do You Blame?

  
By:  Nerm_L  •  Opinion  •  3 months ago  •  83 comments

Who Do You Blame?

Americans, as a nation, can't seem to do anything without a scapegoat. We remain paralyzed until we can rally around blame, accusations, and pious outrage. In modern politics, a common whipping boy unifies far more than a shared vision.

Both major parties routinely point fingers at each other, yet both have adopted so many litmus tests and purity check-boxes that they’ve fractured into self-recriminating factions. They can't make a convincing show of unified outrage and pious opposition any longer.  The major parties are just beating dead horses and reliving the past rather than moving forward.    

President Donald J. Trump has served as the ultimate lightning rod for political piety and righteous anger for a decade.  President Trump eagerly volunteered for the role, rarely missing a chance to use his bully pulpit to capture the spotlight. The finger-pointing rally cry of 'not Trump' worked well for the opposition in both parties. But his usefulness as the nation’s primary scapegoat is waning. As domestic and global events unfold, it’s becoming clear that bravado only goes so far. Trump is entering the lame-duck phase of his influence much earlier than expected.

Blaming Trump no longer quiets internal dissension or automatically rallies opposition with a simple declaration of 'not Trump'.  After a decade America has become stuck in a rut of knee-jerk blame and rote outrage where promises to stop Trump ring hollow.  Until a new unifying scapegoat is found there is a real danger the country atomizes into a circular firing squad.  Trump has run his course, it's time to move on.  

So, who are you going to blame now?

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Nerm_L
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1  author  Nerm_L    3 months ago

What do we do now?  Beat dead horses?  

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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1.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Nerm_L @1    one month ago

"Dirty Diaper Donnie" is in your realm of observable KAOS and, Nerm_L, you want to support a CHILD RAPIST, a demented old fart who is pure selfishness and has no interest in humanity.

What in HADES attracts a belligerent, hate-filled, maniacal SOB who is destroying our country and has bombed 10 countries that he pilfered from, stole their funds, and stuck them in his pockets?


 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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1.1.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1    one month ago

Trump is NOT only the WORST PRESIDENT in the history of our country, but the worst person in the world!

FUGAZI, this POS! And all the MORONS who are stupid enough to follow or support his craven lust for total control.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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1.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Nerm_L @1    4 weeks ago

Beating a CHILD RAPIST would be a good place to start. It's NOT Republicans vs. Democrats!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    3 months ago

You dont seem to understand that this situation requires justice. 

You have already said you would vote for Trump again over a Democrat.  Now you want everyone to let Trump off the hook.

Uh, no. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1  author  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 months ago
You dont seem to understand that this situation requires justice. 

Justice does not require a scapegoat.  Justice would be beating a dead horse.

You have already said you would vote for Trump again over a Democrat.  Now you want everyone to let Trump off the hook.

That's incorrect.  I've said I would vote for a better alternative.  Biden and Harris were not better alternatives. 

I will no longer vote for a Democrat just because they are a Democrat.  They'll have to be a better alternative.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    3 months ago
Justice does not require a scapegoat

What scapegoat? Trump is not a scapegoat, he's a criminal. 

I will no longer vote for a Democrat just because they are a Democrat.  They'll have to be a better alternative.

Trump is not intellectually, morally, or ethically fit for office- any office. He never has been. End of story.  People who will not admit that are much more the problem than they are the solution. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.2  author  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 months ago
What scapegoat? Trump is not a scapegoat, he's a criminal. 

How many times has Trump been impeached, investigated, indicted, and prosecuted over the last decade?  Either Trump is Teflon or we've been lied to about justice.  Listing the facts of Trump's criminality doesn't change anything at this point.  

Trump is not intellectually, morally, or ethically fit for office- any office. He never has been. End of story.  People who will not admit that are much more the problem than they are the solution. 

So, Trump is a sleazebag.  Most rich rat basturds are.  That's the America created by third way politics.  Bill and Hillary Clinton kissed Trump's ass for donations.  Even Barack Obama gave a pass to rich rat basturds after they crashed the economy in 2008.  

Blaming everything on Trump won't cut it any longer.  Every day fewer people care about these empty rants because they accomplish absolutely nothing.  People aren't buying into the idiocy of repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

Politicians thinking their outrage directed at Trump will garner winning support are either lazy, crazy, or incompetent.  They're gonna need a new scapegoat.  Who will it be?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    3 months ago
Blaming everything on Trump won't cut it any longer. 

Trumps popularity is allegedly sinking like a rock. Blaming Trump for his mountainous faults and mistakes is not only working it is necessary. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    3 months ago
Politicians thinking their outrage directed at Trump will garner winning support are either lazy, crazy, or incompetent. 

True. I think it was proven by Trump who clearly believed using conservatives outrage directed at Democrats would garner winning support, which is, as you point out, lazy, crazy, and incompetent, except for the fact that Trump apparently knew his audience was exactly that lazy, crazy and incompetent.

So, perhaps those Democrats believe their constituents are also lazy, crazy and incompetent. That would be a pretty good bet these days regardless of which side of the aisle you're on.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.1.5  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    3 months ago
Politicians thinking their outrage directed at Trump will garner winning support are either lazy, crazy, or incompetent.  They're gonna need a new scapegoat.  Who will it be?  

The outrage of the citizens should be directed at the Republican Party who has let Trump FCK this country up something fierce! They are the ones who had the pwere to reign him in, yet have proven that "their' power was more important than our countries well being. They are a Total FCKN DISGRACE ! 

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.6  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    3 months ago
I've said I would vote for a better alternative.

But what about when there are no "better alternatives"?

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.7  Krishna  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.4    3 months ago
So, perhaps those Democrats believe their constituents are also lazy, crazy and incompetent. That would be a pretty good bet these days regardless of which side of the aisle you're on.

But . . .was it significantly better in the past?

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.8  Thomas  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    3 months ago
How many times has Trump been impeached, investigated, indicted, and prosecuted over the last decade?  Either Trump is Teflon or we've been lied to about justice.  Listing the facts of Trump's criminality doesn't change anything at this point.  

A whole bunch of times, and he deserved every one of those times. He should have been impeached when he fired the FBI guy, but they had to wait until way later when it was obvious that he respected nothing and no-one to try on the mobster phone call to the Ukrainian President. Of course the R's in the Senate won't convict an R.  Blah-blah, it gets worse until the jerk claims that the election has been stolen from him, which is patently false. Once again, the Rs close ranks and walk, butt cheeks at tight to asshole range, right out of office claiming that he can be investigated, Indicted and prosecuted as a normal citizen. Blah blah everybody does the slow walk. Oops, now the SCotUS is in on it, "Hi Donald! We love you! We are going to give you a big get out of jail free card!" 
and so on and so forth. He's not teflon, he just has everyone under a protection racket. What a pos. No justice? No, not from congress or the SCotUS.

Not changing anything should tell you that we need some serious electoral realignment in this country.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Krishna @2.1.7    3 months ago
But . . .was it significantly better in the past?

Touché.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Thomas @2.1.8    3 months ago
A whole bunch of times, and he deserved everyone of those times.

What it comes down to is that while he was impeached, indicted, prosecuted and found guilty of multiple felonies, our system of consequences for criminal acts is based essentially on public opinion. If you can convince a third of the population to support you no matter what you do, and close to a quarter who support you most of the time because you're scratching their backs, then, as a President, you are above the law in this country. Unless the congress and the senate, whose leashes are held by their constituents, hold the President accountable for his crimes, there is nothing the other half of the country can do about it other than go out and vote and be vocal and active in exposing the corruption of this administration.

Ultimately, no matter how long they try to keep things covered up, the truth will out and there will be a reckoning for this administration and for the Christo-fascists trying to corrupt and replace our constitutional Republic. But it's going to take some time before that third of bitter bigots will ever admit to being wrong even when shown the proof. And unfortunately, there is no guarantee they will ever allow their scum bag hero to be held accountable for his crimes.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.1.11  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.10    3 months ago
it's going to take some time before that third of bitter bigots will ever admit to being wrong even when shown the proof. And unfortunately, there is no guarantee they will ever allow their scum bag hero to be held accountable for his crimes.

and that there, is one fckd up accurate [problem for US.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.12  author  Nerm_L  replied to  Igknorantzruls @2.1.5    3 months ago
The outrage of the citizens should be directed at the Republican Party who has let Trump FCK this country up something fierce! They are the ones who had the pwere to reign him in, yet have proven that "their' power was more important than our countries well being. They are a Total FCKN DISGRACE ! 

But, but, but ...  Democrats controlled Congress for 4 of the last 10 years.  With a Democratic President?  Why couldn't they deliver on the anti-Trump promises they made/

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.13  author  Nerm_L  replied to  Krishna @2.1.6    3 months ago
But what about when there are no "better alternatives"?

Either waste your vote - or - hold your nose and try to choose the least worst candidate.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.14  author  Nerm_L  replied to  Krishna @2.1.7    3 months ago
But . . .was it significantly better in the past?

Must have been since everyone wants to go backward to beat dead horses.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.15  author  Nerm_L  replied to  Thomas @2.1.8    3 months ago
Not changing anything should tell you that we need some serious electoral realignment in this country.

But our two-party system has become so corrupt that voting for independent or 3rd party candidates wastes the vote.

The entire system is so corrupt that actual vote tallies (including wasted ballots) are not reported.  It's no longer possible to vote in protest because that won't be reported and no one will every know.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.1.16  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.12    3 months ago
But, but, but ...  Democrats controlled Congress for 4 of the last 10 years

But, but , but, have you ever bothered to read my Moniker Lewinski, cause yes, it blows, but it is also damn accurate so before you turn up your knows, how about realizing all of the damn bliss,that be more than enuff to get one to be a tad pissed, about the stupidity and ignorance that a near majority of voters quite obviously have experienced as Trumps' two elections example far too ample.

  The GOP has shown it is far nastier and plays buy rules bought via gobs of money, judges sorta funny, and spineless pussies TRump easily scooped up with his tiny little hands down her heavy pants on fire super fckn LIAR who blinded CULTISTS follow like a pie eyed piper 'RIGHT"  over the cliff, perhaps hoping to read the Cliff Notes on the weigh down they have sunk US All because too stupid or proud to accept their MAJOR CONTRIBUTION in OUR FALL, for the Torrid Aitumn is around the bend, be sure Trump will claim major election friction, irregardless of the total FICTION when it comes to robbing candidates, and all as he male inn votes while using the and/ore irony of non ferrous femail male men as a tool to keep the public from being herd mentality is absolutely a threat, just as my original thought had done trap set, the GOP have FCKD US ALL, and not saying the Dems haven't also dropped the ball, but get real, there is not an apple to apple comparison nthat cvan be maid, cause made up is the beds they have LIED INN, and remain, and those a tad short of a full brain, haven't yet been the abutmeant for they from that trane, of thought, Billions of dollars have most definitely bought, Citizens United by default, and it is and has been an assault, way out of season, asz I'd call it treason, annd not teasin 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.17  devangelical  replied to  Igknorantzruls @2.1.16    3 months ago

getting a BJ in the oval office is only impeachable if the elected recipient is a democrat ...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  devangelical @2.1.17    3 months ago
getting a BJ in the oval office is only impeachable if the elected recipient is a democrat ...

It wasn't that he got a BJ in the oval office that was the issue Republicans claimed to have had, it was that he lied about it! Can you imagine? A President daring to tell a lie? What else could Republicans have done with that kind of blatant lying from a President? I mean, he said, "I did not have sex with that woman" and if a BJ is your definition of sex, then he definitely lied and thus, no choice but to try and impeach. We simply can't allow our leaders to lie with impunity or else no one will take our nation seriously and they won't be able to trust anything we sign like treaties and memorandums of understanding and if that happens, well then who in the world is left to trust? So obviously, long story short, they had to attack him for the lie as conservatives will never, under any circumstance, suffer liars in positions of leadership. /s

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.1.19  Igknorantzruls  replied to  devangelical @2.1.17    3 months ago
getting a BJ in the oval office is only impeachable if the elected recipient is a democrat ...

well, that sure blows, cuz the way the GOP attempts hypocrisy is just plane and simply too complex to not fly over all of our heads,,,,, except Monica's'  

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.20  Thomas  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.15    3 months ago

I actually agree on the first part, kinda. Maybe not in Kansas ...

The second part is fantasy. The voting process is not opaque. The reporting by the various media on the results may be, but the public functions are not. Every ballot is accounted for in the official canvass, and every valid vote is included in the certified totals.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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2.1.21  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1    one month ago

BIDEN & HARRIS are human beings. Trump is not!

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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2.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

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Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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2.2.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @2.2    4 weeks ago

I never said or posted that comment.

I have, and to this day, have great RESPECT for John Russell. At 84.10 yrs., I, too, am having difficulty with typing and dementia.

Please accept my apologies for the mistake! 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    3 months ago

The voters. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    3 months ago
The voters.
The hoi polloi?
 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.2  author  Nerm_L  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    3 months ago
The voters. 

That's nothing new.  Obama did it.  Clinton did it.  Biden did it.  Even Harris blamed voters.  Republicans have blamed voters since Reagan shifted blame onto the government.

So, both parties have engaged in the bad habit of blaming the victims.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2    3 months ago
parties have engaged in the bad habit of blaming the victims.

The voters are always responsible. They can't be the victims.  They control the parties.  People just can't take responsibility so it's easier to blame "parties" or any other structure.

Politics is always downstream of culture and democracy delivers the politicians they deserve. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.2.2  author  Nerm_L  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.1    3 months ago
The voters are always responsible. They can't be the victims.  They control the parties.  People just can't take responsibility so it's easier to blame "parties" or any other structure. Politics is always downstream of culture and democracy delivers the politicians they deserve. 

If voters control the parties then how do you explain the candidacy of Kamala Harris?  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.2.3  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.1    3 months ago
The voters are always responsible. They can't be the victims.  They control the parties. 

Have to disagree with you on this. Voters do not control the parties, the voters are just sheep. The parties were almost a law onto themselves, there's just too much money and power in each party. Politicians first allegiance is to their party because they all want to be re-elected in order to continue to feed at the public trough and if they don't follow the dictates of their party then the party will primary someone else for that seat. 

If voters really controlled the parties and their respective politicians, then a lot of the issues in this country we see daily would have already been solved. Politicians don't really want to solve those problems but rather continue their sniping with sound bites in order to convince their followers on where to stand and the sheep continue their partisan bullshit rather than hold the politicians' feet to the fire. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2    3 months ago
So, both parties have engaged in the bad habit of blaming the victims.

Now you and I both know that there are some that just can't leave that alone.  For them it HAS to be one or the other (usually the opposition) and that is a hill they will die on.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.2.5  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2    3 months ago
Even Harris blamed voters. 

That's the problem with democracies-- the candidates who have the most people voting for them win-- and are voted into office.

(But that problem doesn't exist in dictatorships . . .)

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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3.2.6  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2    one month ago

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Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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3.2.7  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2    4 weeks ago

And your proof is where?

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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3.2.8  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.1    4 weeks ago

Sean, when the so-called P A R T Y supports a CHILD RAPIST, PUTIN CONTROLLER, MURDERER, CAREER CRIMINAL, known suspect in his FIRST WIFE'S DEATH, it is not the voters' responsibility to solve this TRUMP creative mess.

 
 
 
Thomas
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4  Thomas    3 months ago
So, who are you going to blame now?

Everybody? I think the SCotUS is ripe for the pricking.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1  author  Nerm_L  replied to  Thomas @4    3 months ago
Everybody? I think the SCotUS is ripe for the pricking.

I agree that SCOTUS is a ready made scapegoat.  But that only marks a change in the party doing the scapegoating.

Seems to me that both parties are gravitating toward blaming class disparities.  The emerging DSA influence seems to be scapegoating the rich rather than Trump.  And the DSA doesn't seem shy about scapegoating the 'party establishment' as an obstacle to progress.  Even Zohran Mamdani staged a photo-op with Trump.  

MAGA certainly did not emerge as a defense of the rich.  MAGA has been scapegoating the rich, the elite, and the establishment since it arrived on talking-head TV.  Trump may have hoped to protect his rich ass but now cracks are appearing in the Trump brand.

So, I expect the coming wave of finger-pointing, blame, and scapegoating will be more class oriented rather than ideologically motivated.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1    3 months ago
MAGA certainly did not emerge as a defense of the rich. 

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

They embraced trmp like he was the Messiah....and he's not rich??? What about Elon Musk? They hero worship that mother fucker

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.2  author  Nerm_L  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.1    3 months ago
BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!! They embraced trmp like he was the Messiah....and he's not rich??? What about Elon Musk? They hero worship that mother fucker

No, it's not bullshit.  The grassroots MAGA movement was anti-establishment, anti-elite, anti-government, and definitely anti-left wing.  Hillary Clinton and the media made Donald Trump the leader of MAGA because they thought he would be easy to beat.

So, a penthouse billionaire from New York became the voice of MAGA because of Democratic dirty politics that didn't pay off.  And Democrats continue to boost Trump by adopting the most outrageously stupid left-wing politics they can find.  

Trump is only a Messiah because the Democratic Party provides a lot of political fodder and absolutely no alternatives.  Why trade Trump for a crazy left-winger that advocates stupider shit than Trump?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.2    3 months ago
The grassroots MAGA movement was anti-establishment, anti-elite, anti-government, and definitely anti-left wing. 

The MAGA movement wanted "their" country back. At the time Trump was a known racist, having perpetrated the birther garbage. That is how he became a darling to what became the MAGA crowd. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.3    3 months ago

Exactly!!!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.5  author  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.3    3 months ago
The MAGA movement wanted "their" country back.

Yes, they did.

At the time Trump was a known racist, having perpetrated the birther garbage.

The birther bullshit was only racist to left-wing loonies.  Normal people saw it as an attack on a Harvard educated lawyer (that did not practice law) who used race to game the system.  Obama was a community organizer of Black communities who talked smack and played up racial grievances.  Obama is exceptionally racist.

That is how he became a darling to what became the MAGA crowd. 

Everyone ignores that Trump had to defeat the Republican Party to become the nominee.  MAGA wasn't very fond of the Republican establishment.  MAGA rallied around Trump because he kicked Republican ass.

Trump wasn't intimidated by Hillary Clinton's attempted dirty politics, either.  So, Clinton played a much larger role in making Trump the face of MAGA than Democrats want to acknowledge.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.3    3 months ago
Trump’s promotion of the false claim that Barack Obama was not born in the United States was significant because it combined several themes that resonated with the emerging populist right: racial resentment, hostility toward Obama, and the idea that the country was being taken away from the “real” or “traditional” Americans. Trump then carried that political identity into his 2016 campaign under the broader slogan of “Make America Great Again.”
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chat gpt

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.7  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.5    3 months ago
Normal people saw it as an attack on a Harvard educated lawyer

Harvard is in Hawaii? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.5    3 months ago
The birther bullshit was only racist to left-wing loonies.

Every time I think you are starting to make some sense you say some crap like this.  There never was a mystery about Obamas birth. Period. Nor was there a mystery about his college education. 

Trump wanted to run for president in 2012. He did not have a constituency but he knew the white grievance crowd that made up the birthers would appreciate his efforts. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.8    3 months ago

CHAT GPT

Birtherism was racist in both its origins and its political effect, although individual people who repeated the claim may have had different motives.

The key reasons:

  • Obama was subjected to a citizenship conspiracy that was not applied comparably to white presidents. He was born in Hawaii in 1961, and his birth certificate and contemporary birth announcements supported that.
  • The claim was heavily intertwined with the fact that Obama was Black and had an African-born father. The suggestion that he was somehow foreign or insufficiently American drew on a long history of questioning the national belonging of Black Americans and other minorities.
  • Trump made the claim politically powerful by repeatedly demanding Obama's birth certificate and suggesting that Obama was not legitimately American. This occurred despite no credible evidence that Obama was born outside the United States.
  • Birtherism therefore wasn't simply an argument about documentation. Its political significance came from casting the country's first Black president as an illegitimate outsider who didn't really belong.

There is an important distinction, though: saying birtherism was racist does not mean every person who believed or repeated it consciously intended to express racial hatred. A person can participate in or promote a racially charged political narrative without consciously thinking of themselves as racist.

So, historically, I'd characterize it this way:

Birtherism was a racially charged conspiracy theory that questioned the legitimacy and American identity of the nation's first Black president without credible evidence. Its central political effect was to portray Obama as an illegitimate outsider, making race inseparable from the movement's appeal.
 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.10  author  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.8    3 months ago
Every time I think you are starting to make some sense you say some crap like this.  There never was a mystery about Obamas birth. Period. Nor was there a mystery about his college education.  Trump wanted to run for president in 2012. He did not have a constituency but he knew the white grievance crowd that made up the birthers would appreciate his efforts. 

That sounds plausible, at least.  Haven't you noticed that MAGA focuses its attention on immigrants?  That's the constituency Trump courted during the general election.  What was Hillary Clinton's response to wall building?  Stronger together.

Even the stupid birther attack on Obama was anti-immigration.  The questions about Obama's birthright citizenship was not because he is Black (or half-Black).  Obama was considered an anchor baby.  Obama was an immigrant who gamed the system and got a ride through Harvard.

 
 
 
evilone
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4.1.11  evilone  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.5    3 months ago
The birther bullshit was only racist to left-wing loonies.  Normal people saw it as an attack on a Harvard educated lawyer (that did not practice law) who used race to game the system.  Obama was a community organizer of Black communities who talked smack and played up racial grievances.  Obama is exceptionally racist.

Weird...

Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School in 1991, practicing civil rights and voting law in Chicago for the law firm Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland and taught law for 12 years. Is it not racist to attack an educated lawyer and distinguished academic claiming he used race to game the system when he clearly earned it through years of hard work and dedication?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.10    3 months ago
The questions about Obama's birthright citizenship was not because he is Black (or half-Black).  Obama was considered an anchor baby.  Obama was an immigrant who gamed the system and got a ride through Harvard.

Complete nonsense. Barack Obama was not an immigrant. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.12    3 months ago

COPILOT

No. Barack Obama was not an anchor baby — not by any definition used in U.S. immigration debates, and not by the colloquial political meaning of the term.

Concise answer

An anchor baby is a U.S.-born child of non‑citizen parents, used in political rhetoric to imply the child’s citizenship could later help the parents gain legal status. Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, was a U.S. citizen, so the term simply does not apply.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @4.1.11    3 months ago
n he clearly earned it through years of hard work and dedication?

Obama never held a full time job for longer than 4 years before becoming President. His resume was legitimately terrible for a Presidential candidate. . 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.1.15  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.14    3 months ago

And yet he was awesome at it and remains incredibly popular for legit reasons.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.16  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.14    3 months ago

On one hand we had Obama , editor of the Harvard Law Review and a US Senator. On the other hand we had Trump, a known conman, cheat, pathological liar and game show host. 

Not a fair comparison. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.1.15    3 months ago
nd yet he was awesome at it

Yep. He was so awesome the most unpopular candidate in history defeated his chosen successor and has now pretty much rejected his policies in favor of those of Bernie Sanders. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.1.18  author  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.9    3 months ago
CHAT GPT

Birtherism was racist in both its origins and its political effect, although individual people who repeated the claim may have had different motives.

The key reasons:

  • Obama was subjected to a citizenship conspiracy that was not applied comparably to white presidents. He was born in Hawaii in 1961, and his birth certificate and contemporary birth announcements supported that.
  • The claim was heavily intertwined with the fact that Obama was Black and had an African-born father. The suggestion that he was somehow foreign or insufficiently American drew on a long history of questioning the national belonging of Black Americans and other minorities.
  • Trump made the claim politically powerful by repeatedly demanding Obama's birth certificate and suggesting that Obama was not legitimately American. This occurred despite no credible evidence that Obama was born outside the United States.
  • Birtherism therefore wasn't simply an argument about documentation. Its political significance came from casting the country's first Black president as an illegitimate outsider who didn't really belong.

There is an important distinction, though: saying birtherism was racist does not mean every person who believed or repeated it consciously intended to express racial hatred. A person can participate in or promote a racially charged political narrative without consciously thinking of themselves as racist.

So, historically, I'd characterize it this way:

Birtherism was a racially charged conspiracy theory that questioned the legitimacy and American identity of the nation's first Black president without credible evidence. Its central political effect was to portray Obama as an illegitimate outsider, making race inseparable from the movement's appeal.

That's how the academic elite and Democratic establishment framed the issue.  The left leaning factions portrayed Barack Obama as a victim which is consistent with their political playbook.  But at its core, birtherism questioned Obama's birthright citizenship and Constitutional eligibility for the Presidency.  Birtherism tapped into the immigration and sovereignty concerns of the grassroots MAGA movement.  The birthright citizenship concerns voiced against Obama are still central to MAGA expectations for immigration policy.  The MAGA rally cry of 'we want our country back' is about immigration and national sovereignty rather than race.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.19  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.14    3 months ago
Obama never held a full time job for longer than 4 years before becoming President.

And trump did? Really? He's never worked a day in his life. 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.1.20  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.18    3 months ago
The birthright citizenship concerns voiced against Obama are still central to MAGA expectations for immigration policy.  The MAGA rally cry of 'we want our country back' is about immigration and national sovereignty rather than race.

With Trumps' interpretation take on who is considered a removed immigrant, Trump cannot even prove his immigration crackdown has done anything to beat Obama's deportation numbers, or even Bidens' I believe I read, due to Trumps' harping on and on about how immigrants were the reasons for so many failing white Americans, when obviously he just blaabbbed on and on about the horrors of immigrants who would rape your cats and dogs, and eat your children, cause the dumbing down by the GOP is damn plain and easy to see, as the maga crowd sure ain't done bliss proud, but Hell, Ignorance has been pushed, significantly increased, and all cause it has been promoted and allowed aloud, and so stupidly proud and bragged about, cause Trump sure does love him those damn uneducated voters, voters who wish to blame ANYONE but their damn lazy asz's who conveniently accept these immigrants as being WHY, they continue to fail, need government handouts, can't get ahead, as the wealth of our very rich nation consistently funnels to the top, cause that trickle down the wealthy's one , or two leggs up on our average Joe as sold, shore a piers to be one giant Golden Shower saturating a Republican Sponge Bobbin for apples, inn the pickle jarred loose from some fruits Caboose suckin all the pure urine stream steady flow, all as to the top, the wealth continues to go and grow, cause who are the bitches, and who is gettin the Hoe, cuz not the sharpest tool in the shed and shredded fax, that the machine might just be a tad lax, and laxatives needed to free them of so much SHIT they have brought and sold the gullible ignorant wons who have lost, buy believing their LYING eyes blinded buy the shiny sewer grate distractions that Trumps' legions and factions promised and repeated, over and over, how "prices will come down on everything on the first new Trump day, and he would make the Russian Ukraine War just up and go away, on that same 24 hour day, and those damn Dems would our sons and daughters send, to fight more useless Middle East Wars to know end, all as he and his kin and crowd, make BILLIONS and the R's have allowed this corruption, with out even interruption, due to fear of their own loss of power, fck the US Constitution and anything else Trump can Deflower, asz he Beez obsessed with birds, and pussies, and little kids, and enemies for his DOJ to for US RID.

  Cannot B leave ewe canknot sea how deeply U have lost this Race Card played, as Trumped again and again, cause many angry white women and men who were just beggin for others like Obama Brothers and illegal murders and rapists to be deported to cease and desist the destruction of our country by poor mostly uneducated peoples from other countries coming here and totally outworking most of these lazy fcks who werre told of American Exceptionalism that was owed to US, just because, we are US, and that is not what too many would cause a plus, more like an Orange blob of puss who sure has made a fuss out of our once great country, cause if one opens ones eyes, theirs is a very feeble disguise, where citizens United to divide, shore have taken US fore a ride, and we've lost much skin in this game, and Americans should rightfully own this shame, cause the gullibility and IGNORANCE that rules, this nation of far too many fools, toting Coal and Fossil Fuels as the New American Weighing US All back down as our competitors just give US a little reach around, cause Trump and the GOP has SOLD US ALL OUT, and Know Hocus Pokus Hokey Pokey, just what it is all about 

 
 
 
evilone
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4.1.21  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.14    3 months ago
Obama never held a full time job for longer than 4 years before becoming President.

He taught law for twelve years. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @4.1.21    3 months ago

He was a part time lecturer. He did not have the academic record to become a tenured professor. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.1.23  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.22    3 months ago

He had what it takes to be the best POTUS of our generation (provided you’re not an outright racist).

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.24  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.22    3 months ago

Fucking knock it off Sean.

why wasnt obama tenured at u. of chicago - Search

Why Barack Obama Was Not Tenured at the University of Chicago

Barack Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004. His official titles were   Lecturer   (1992–1996) and   Senior Lecturer   (1996–2004)   favicon?url=lawshun.com lawshun.com +1 .

Senior Lecturers   are considered members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, but they are   not on a tenure track   and do not have the same long-term job security as tenured or tenure-track faculty   favicon?url=whyy.org WHYY +1 . Tenure-track positions are designed to allow faculty to build a sustained research and teaching record over time, with the possibility of earning tenure after meeting performance and service requirements.

Obama was invited to join the faculty in a  full-time tenure-track position , but he  declined  those offers  favicon?url=www.talkleft.com TalkLeft . His career path was focused on public service, and he chose to prioritize political work over the full-time, tenure-track role.

In short, Obama was not tenured because:

  • He never accepted a tenure-track appointment.

  • His role as a Senior Lecturer was part-time and non-tenure-track.

  • The University of Chicago Law School’s own statements confirm he was “considered a professor” but not on the tenure track   favicon?url=www.talkleft.com TalkLeft .

This distinction is important in academia: “professor” can be used broadly for senior faculty, but “tenured professor” specifically refers to someone who has earned tenure after meeting the school’s requirements.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.25  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.24    3 months ago
The University of Chicago Law School’s official, carefully worded  press release  on Barack Obama says this: “From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors Was Barack Obama ever “a constitutional law professor”? - WHYY
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.25    3 months ago

The Univ of Chicago Law School is the #2 ranked law school IN THE COUNTRY.  Obama taught there for 12 years. Case closed. 

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Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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4.1.27  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  evilone @4.1.21    4 weeks ago

Of course, Trump or Elon NEVER did.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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4.1.28  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @4.1.27    4 weeks ago

Why are we fighting ourselves when Trump and Elon are the culprits?

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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4.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Thomas @4    4 weeks ago

And so are "DIRTY DIAPER DONNIE" & "ELONGATED MUSHROOM FACE"!

 
 
 
Hallux
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5  Hallux    3 months ago

So, who are you going to blame now?

The usual suspects; by now they're used to it with many displaying a penchant for self-immolation.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6  Buzz of the Orient    3 months ago

Now Trump has a solution....

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Nerm_L
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6.1  author  Nerm_L  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    3 months ago
Now Trump has a solution....

Trump will blame the scapegoat du jour just as Biden did.  Anybody and anything is Trump's scapegoat.

But there are fewer people accepting Trump's scapegoating.  The Reflecting Pool debacle revealed that.  So, there's a blame vacuum developing.  People need new scapegoats.  And I doubt scapegoating Canada will satisfy the unwashed masses.  

Who will be the next scapegoat that can unify the country in blame?  There's Epstein fatigue so that's not politically useful.  There's still some value in scapegoating immigrants (since some are pretty Karen).  AI datacenters seem to be attracting blame but that may be a media phenomena.  

The country needs to blame someone or something to move forward.  Who are what will it be?

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1    3 months ago
-Who will be the next scapegoat that can unify the country in blame?  

Let’s see, culture wars are set for a reboot starting Labour Day, maybe several of them can be repackaged as one rage-against-the-machine. /s

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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6.1.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Hallux @6.1.1    3 months ago
maybe several of them can be repackaged as one rage-against-the-machine. /s

Rally round the family, with a pocket full of shells", and they ain't 8647 beach Comey's...

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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6.1.3  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1    4 weeks ago

TRUMP!

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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6.1.4  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1    4 weeks ago

CORRUPTION, A DEMENTED POTUS, GREED, and UNAUTHORIZED WARS are the power drivers, not American Citizens that have different political views!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    one month ago

Now that I see this topic revived I will be more serious with my opinion tnan I was a month ago.  I have told this story before more than once over the years, but here we go again.  Almost three quarters of a centuy ago, when I was a teenager, many of us Canadian kids who lived on the Niagara Peninsula (I lived in Hamilton Ontario back then) would gather during summer vacation at Crystal Beach, Ontario, on the north shore of Lake Erie across the Niagara River from Buffalo, NY.  We mixed with teens who came from the Buffalo area.  They would bitch about their final marks (scores) they achieved in their high school year.  We would hear comments like "Damn it all, my buddy got 100% in Social Studies and all I could get was 97%".  We would stand there open-mouthed because we were considered geniuses if we could achieve a final score of 75%, which was considered honours level.  In other words we had to bust our asses studying while American kids could virtually breeze through school.  As well, our teachers were highly qualified, and not afraid to fail us if we didn't keep up.

So my opinion about who to blame for the situation you Americans are experiencing today is the failure of much of your education system to educate so many to the level of being able to think critically.  It is the deficit in that ability among too many that has allowed poor choices to be made that led to the kind of leadership that exists today.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.2    one month ago

LOL. I guess nobody wants to defend the American education system, which proves my point.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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6.2.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.2    4 weeks ago

Corruption in POLTICS is a major issue, as well as the uber-rich billionaires who want to rule the WORLD.

Selfishness is a predicament.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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6.2.3  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.2.1    4 weeks ago

There are great schools, like Harvard, Yale, and Princeton.
Locally, there are wonderful high schools and grade schools in America. 

Of course, some aren't as good as others, but America has always had sophisticated, brilliant academic institutions.

Educational Institutions aren't the main cause; it is more likely GREED that sucks the soul out of folks, and politicians who are bought off.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
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6.3  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    4 weeks ago

And, everyone but "DIRTY DIAPER DONNIE"!