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May We Talk About Gaza?

  
By:  JBB  •  Opinions  •  2 weeks ago  •  91 comments

May We Talk About Gaza?
"Is Gaza a genocide?" - JBB
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You said: Israel's repercussions for gaza

The military campaign and siege by Israel following Hamas's October 7, 2023 attacks have caused catastrophic humanitarian, demographic, and infrastructure repercussions in the Gaza Strip: [ 1 , 2 ]
  • Casualties and Deaths: Over 70,000 Palestinians have been killed, including more than 20,000 children (accounting for roughly 30% of total deaths), and tens of thousands more have been injured. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
  • Displacement: Nearly the entire population of Gaza has been displaced, with over 86% to 92% of the territory impacted by militarized zones, evacuation orders, or destruction. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
  • Infrastructure Destruction: Between 70% and 80% to 95% of homes, buildings, and critical civilian infrastructure have been damaged or obliterated, including 97% of schools and 95% of universities. [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 ]
  • Humanitarian Crisis and Starvation: Prolonged blockades, restricted aid, and severe shortages of food, clean water, and electricity have resulted in widespread famine, acute malnutrition (affecting over 92% of infants and pregnant or breastfeeding mothers), and the collapse of the healthcare system. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
  • International and Legal Repercussions: UN bodies, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry , Amnesty International , and the BBC's reporting on the UN commission findings highlight determinations and investigations regarding war crimes, crimes against humanity, and acts of genocide, which the Israeli government categorically rejects as false and as self-defense. [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 ]
  • Governance and Military Control: Despite a fragile October 2025 ceasefire and the nominal dissolution of Hamas's civil governance, Israeli forces maintain an indefinite military presence across large portions of the enclave, continuing operations and restrictions. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
For detailed background and contextual analysis, see the Council on Foreign Relations Global Conflict Tracker or academic breakdowns via the Freilich Project for the Study of Bigotry . [ 1 , 2 ]
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1  author  JBB    2 weeks ago

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Dismayed Patriot
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2  Dismayed Patriot    2 weeks ago
  • Casualties and Deaths: Over 70,000 Palestinians have been killed, including more than 20,000 children (accounting for roughly 30% of total deaths), and tens of thousands more have been injured. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
  • Displacement: Nearly the entire population of Gaza has been displaced, with over 86% to 92% of the territory impacted by militarized zones, evacuation orders, or destruction. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]

  • Infrastructure Destruction: Between 70% and 80% to 95% of homes, buildings, and critical civilian infrastructure have been damaged or obliterated, including 97% of schools and 95% of universities. [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 ]
  • Humanitarian Crisis and Starvation: Prolonged blockades, restricted aid, and severe shortages of food, clean water, and electricity have resulted in widespread famine, acute malnutrition (affecting over 92% of infants and pregnant or breastfeeding mothers), and the collapse of the healthcare system. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]

Sadly, to those deluded into some fantasy belief that they are on the right side of some holy war against Muslims and Islam those deaths and the destruction are good things. They believe the genocide of Palestinians couldn't come soon enough and that the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. So, when rational persons try and point out these despicable numbers and the indiscriminate bombing of women and children that the perpetrators should be ashamed of, they are met with smirks and shrugs from many rightwing Christian conservatives.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1  author  JBB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    2 weeks ago

Worldwide Gaza today has to be put into context with Ukraine and Iran. What is happening in Gaza and the West Bank right now is the worst public relations disaster for Jews worldwide since the creation of the modern state of Israel. As horrific, unforgivable and unexcusable as the October 7th attacks on Israel were, Israel's response as of now has been equally horrific plus being grossly disproportionate. Half the United Nations walked our when Benjamin Netanyahu entered their hall. Now the United States of America is conducting a proxy war for Israel in Iran. The rest of the world is sick and damn tired of all sides. On the world stage Putin, Trump and Netanyahu are currently a Triumphurant of Hate, Blood and Oil...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Calling it a genocide is, of course, Orwellian nonsense. Here’s a handy guide for Islamic terrorism propagandists speaking about wars Islamic terrorists start. When the war is going well, they call it a war of   liberation. As soon as the terrorists start losing they start whining and calling it a genocide, because they know how susceptible ignorant western progressives are to propaganda  and how easy it is to exploit their suicidal empathy. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    2 weeks ago
Calling it a genocide is, of course, owellian nonsense.

Right, calling the deaths of tens of thousands with the indiscriminate bombing of women and children 'genocide' is the Orwellian nonsense, not their amorphous self-serving 'war on terror' that lets the worlds biggest superpower support the murder of civilians and then lie about it with impunity. The rightwing religious fuck wads as well as their Muslim extremist counterparts pushing their religious war on the world are the problems and I really wish they would both just gather up all in one place so they can kill each other so the rest of us can move on with our lives. The religious zealots ON BOTH SIDES are fucking useless vestigial parts the universe is better off without.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.1  author  JBB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1    2 weeks ago

How bad is it if serious people are seriously asking if what Israel is doing to Gaza and the West Bank is technically a genocide? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1    2 weeks ago
g the deaths of tens of thousands with the indiscriminate bombing of women and children 'genocide' i

Calling it "indiscriminate bombing of women and children" is more Orwellian nonsense. Get the basic facts correct if you want to be taken seriously. 

Parroting the propaganda of an Islamic death cult that refuses to abide by any of the rules of war such as fighting in uniforms to protect civilians and that proudly broadcast to the world that actual indiscriminate raping and murder of children is a choice.  I hope you are proud of it.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.3  author  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

Now who is spouting the nonsense of fanatical superstitious Christian Nationalist apocalyptic deadenders? Pay Up Mama!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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3.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1    2 weeks ago

Look, if you like, you can call it murder. You can call it unjust. You can even stretch it and call it ethnic cleansing. You can not call it a genocide. 

The war has been going on for 3 years now. Before Oct 7, there were 2.2 million Gazans. There are now 2.14 million Gazans. In the last 3 years of WWII, 6 million Jews were killed. That is a genocide. 1.5 million Armenians died in the Armenians  Genocide (still not recognized and almost forgotten). 

If this is a genocide, the Israelis are really bad at it.

Calling what Israel is doing a genocide is hyperbole and a total insult to the real genocides currently going on around the world presently, where people are truly being wiped out. If you need a list, I'll send it to you.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.4    2 weeks ago
Genocide is an international crime defined as specific acts committed with the intent to destroy , in whole or in part , a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.
  • Killing members of the group

  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

  • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part

  • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

  • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

What is Genocide? - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

What has been happening in Gaza since the horrible unforgiveable events of October 7th has NOT simply been a search for the perpetrators in an effort to bring them to justice. It has been a retaliatory slaughter of tens of thousands of people specifically because of who they are and what ethnic group they belong to. That is fucking genocide. There isn't a magic number it has to reach to become genocide. It doesn't have to reach 7 million or be equivalent to other genocides to make it a genocide. And the suggestion that we have to reduce the slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians to simply "murder" so that we don't offend other groups that have been victims of genocide is utterly shameful to me. Not calling what has occurred in Gaza and the "small" difference between 2.2 million and 2.14 million by not saying 60,000 is exactly what the perpetrators of such a genocide want the court of public opinion to do. "60,000 civilians is just "murder", you have to hit 1,000,000 to be genocide!". Well fuck that, that kind of thinking disgusts me.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.6  author  JBB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

That is the way the rest of the civilized world feels too...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.7  author  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

I call it unconscionably disproportionate and a war crime...

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3.1.8  charger 383  replied to  JBB @3.1.6    2 weeks ago

Is Hamas civilized?  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3.1.9  charger 383  replied to  JBB @3.1.7    2 weeks ago

why do you support Gaza?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    2 weeks ago
As soon as the terrorists start losing they start whining and calling it a genocide

Losing a war you start isn't a genocide.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4  author  JBB    2 weeks ago

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You said: current conditions in gaza today
The current situation in Gaza remains a severe humanitarian and security crisis marked by stalled implementation of a ceasefire agreement, ongoing Israeli military operations, and deepening food and shelter shortages as of October 2026. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
Humanitarian and Food Crisis
  • Aid Cuts and Famine Fears: The World Food Program (WFP) has cut food assistance to 500,000 Palestinians due to severe funding shortfalls. [ 1 ]
  • Blockade and Prices: Israel continues to restrict commercial shipments and aid entries, driving up food prices and leaving 90% of the population displaced and heavily reliant on communal kitchens. [ 1 , 2 ]
  • Winter and Shelter: Roughly 1.5 million people urgently need emergency shelter as makeshift tent cities degrade under ongoing weathering ahead of the winter season. [ 1 , 2 ]
Casualties and Military Operations
  • Death Toll: According to reports documented by Al Jazeera and regional health authorities, at least 74,540 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since October 7, 2023, with regular daily airstrikes and drone attacks persisting despite the formal ceasefire framework. [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 ]
  • Territorial Control: Israeli military expansion and control zones have expanded to cover approximately 65% of the Gaza Strip, confining roughly 2.1 million residents into a constricted western zone. [ 1 ]
  • Infrastructure Collapse: An estimated 90% of civilian infrastructure—including hospitals, water networks, and sanitation facilities—remains heavily damaged or destroyed. [ 1 ]



 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @4    2 weeks ago

Kind of sounds like the bombing of Dresden. Did you forget that this was a war?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.1  author  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1    2 weeks ago

24,000 German civilians died in WWII bombing of Dresden.

About 43,000 British civilians died during The German Blitz 

At least 70,000 Palestinian civilians have so far died in Gaza..

Since when are such civilian deaths considered acceptable?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
4.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

Since when is war acceptable?

As for civilian deaths in Gaza, why are you not down on Hamas who hides behind their citizens? Or have you not heard that the Hamas leadership says it is acceptable for their civilians to die for the cause? Why are you down only on the Israelis?

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.3  author  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

How dare the Mayor of New York City attend the twenty fifth anniversary commemoration of 9 - 11? How dare he, a Muslim, have an opinion on Gaza? Nevermind that both he and I have explicitly condemned Hamas for their unforgivable atrocious unjustified attacks on Israel on October 7th. Forgot everything everyone says. You cannot believe a Muslim or a Methodist.

Israel is committing self harm in Gaza as the US is in Iran...

There are ten Jewish Democratic US Senators plus  Bernie Sanders. There are ZERO Republican US Senators. I dare you to watch and just listen to Abdul El-Sayed's viral news conference from yesterday on YouTube. I defy you to find major disagreement with the man. 

Should be no Muslim leaders in the United States or all Congress?

Even if you do not believe him on Israel, you will on everything else.

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Split Personality
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4.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  JBB @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
Since when are such civilian deaths considered acceptable?

Since their religious, political and military leaders began considering them shaheed.

Decades old programs within the Palestinian Authority (Fatah) rewarded all imprisoned fighters and supported their families

and the families of those killed in actions against the Israelis, even while Fatah cooperated with Israeli security forces.  Ridiculously, even while at war with Hamas for the last decade,

the PA continued this administrative duty, largely funded by Iran, in order to remain a viable political body.

Finally in 2025 under decades of international and Israeli pressure, they began to eliminate the program.

By 2026 that say it is no longer in existance.

In fact Iran has just shifted the funding to Hamas both in Gazza and Lebbanon.

Not unlike any large beuracracy, many of the same people continue to be funded by the PA under different programs according to Israel.

People committed to Hamas kill their own in a heartbeat if they suspect sympathy or collaboration with the enemy and Hamas

considers all of Fatah, collaborators with Israel.

There are two possible approaches - kill every last member and family member of Hamas.

or bankrupt Iran,  revolutions die without funding.

  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.4    2 weeks ago

Ahmadi Muslims consider Hamas and Fatah to be practicing corrupt religious beliefs.

The Islamic Dilemma: Should We Fear the Religion of Peace? | The Review of Religions

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.6  author  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

For the record, I consider it low down dirty and dishonest that you impune my honor for merely representing for those who are voiceless here. Like most well bred well educated persons of my generation I have been a lifelong supporter of Israel. Do not lecture me on the history. What is happening today is the subject. If not the majority, at least a few million Jews in the United States are as dismayed and repulsed by Israel's grosely disproportionate response to October 7th as I am. That the United States is now thiscloseto the whole damn mess is a real issue for me when it is our bombs and our money financing the destruction. Meanwhile Antisemitism and Islamaphobia are both on the rise worldwide. Using the low down dishonest tactics of AIPAC on me personally is beyond the pale...

Though I do take heart from the type who are voting you up.

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JBB
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4.1.7  author  JBB  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.4    2 weeks ago

The World Court still considers the indiscriminate bombing of civilians and necessary infrastructure to be a WAR CRIME!

Many Americans thought bombing civilians in Dresden was dishonorable even if justified. The entire world believed the Nazis were horrific criminals for The Blitz. Nothing changed! 

War crimes don't justify war crimes. Criminals commit them!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  JBB @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

The October 7, 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel killed approximately 1,200 people, making it the deadliest single day in Israel’s history since its independence.

The Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor resulted in 2,400 immediate casualities.

How did we react?  How many people were victims of America's revenge in the Pacific, Asia, Europe. North Africa and Japan?

405.000 American dead, 670,000 wounded.  22 million military deaths, 14 million civilians

The Al Queda raid on the World trade center killed 2977 people as an answer to the Iraq War and Desert Storm

How did we react?  How many people were victims of all of that violence?

From 1991 to 2026 4,418 US dead, 31,994 wounded,  documented civilian deaths 210,296, estimates as high as 600,000.

Your definition of disproportionate needs quite a bit of adjustment.

Summary There is no international law or universal practice for how civilian or military deaths in war zones should be counted or estimated.  

This means that not only is it extremely difficult – if not impossible – to determine death tolls but the process is open to manipulation.  Different methodologies are used by different actors in different wars, with some governments, regimes and activists deliberately overestimating or underestimating the death toll for their own political purposes.

 Every civilian who dies in war is a tragedy.

While this fact sheet discusses numbers, facts and statistics, we remember that these are real people and mourn their very real suffering.

 From the outbreak of the Hamas–Israel war, which started when Hamas terrorists savagely murdered 1,200 Israelis and foreign nationals on October 7, 2023, serious questions have been raised about the accuracy of Gaza’s death toll, which is compiled by the Hamas-run Ministry of Health (MoH).

The difficulty in counting civilian losses is not unique to Gaza; it is a situation that has plagued all previous and current wars, including in Yemen, Sudan and Syria. However, what does make Gaza a unique situation are the extraordinary lengths that Hamas has gone to manipulate the world, including media, human rights groups and activists, governments and charities – and the willingness of those parties to reproduce unverified Hamas statistics, despite those statistics having been proven unreliable on multiple occasions.

 Media outlets across the world have mostly reported Hamas-supplied death tolls without questioning their source or validity. Until mid-May 2025, Hamas’ MoH had insisted that approximately 70% of those killed in Gaza were women and children, a point rarely challenged or refuted by governments, NGOs and charities.  However, an April 2025 analysis of Hamas’ own data revealed that, despite consistent reports to the contrary, 72% of recorded deaths of people aged between 13 and 55 were males, with the highest death rates being men aged between 20 and 40. 

Gaza-death-toll-fact-sheet.pdf

If you can easily spot lying by Republican candidates, Russian propaganda about the Ukraine and other liars like the whole Nazi propaganda machine why do you believe HAMAS over other more neutral observers?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  JBB @4.1.7    2 weeks ago
The World Court still considers the indiscriminate bombing of civilians and necessary infrastructure to be a WAR CRIME!

Good for them.

Many Americans thought bombing civilians in Dresden was dishonorable even if justified.

Dresden was forewarned and had 50,000 workers actively producing war materials.  Many people escaped the fire bombing.

A better example would be Hiroshima or Nagasaki which killed as many as 240,00 unsuspecting civilians.

The entire world believed the Nazis were horrific criminals for The Blitz. Nothing changed! 

the blitz?  Get a hold of yourself.

War crimes don't justify war crimes. Criminals commit them!

Says the armchair quarterbacks from 8 decades removed or 5,000 miles away.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  JBB @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

The Crusades?

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @4.1.3    2 weeks ago

Whoa. We were discussing Gaza, not Mandami and not Abdul El-Sayed.

Israel is committing self harm in Gaza as the US is in Iran...

That may be true, but if you remember, after 9/11 we did plenty of our own. It's hard not to be emotional when your minding your own business and you are suddenly in a s*it storm.

Should be no Muslim leaders in the United States or all Congress?

Again, never said by me.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
4.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @4.1.6    2 weeks ago
For the record, I consider it low down dirty and dishonest that you impune my honor for merely representing for those who are voiceless here.

What are you talking about? How did I impune your honor?

What is happening today is the subject. 

I was addressing that. Reread my comment.

at least a few million Jews in the United States are as dismayed and repulsed by Israel's grosely disproportionate response to October 7th as I am. 

Numbers are undetermined and vary. First of all, there are only 7.4 million to 7.7 million people who identify as Jewish in the US. You might find this 2 year old poll by the Pew interesting:

Meanwhile Antisemitism and Islamaphobia are both on the rise worldwide. Using the low down dishonest tactics of AIPAC on me personally is beyond the pale...

What the hell are you talking about? Go back and reread what I wrote.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.13  author  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.11    2 weeks ago

AIPAC is spending well over one hundred million dollars in support of MAGA candidates in next Tuesday's American elections. Urp!

They are all in to elect MAGA Mike Rogers over El-Sayed...

Israel needs to fire AIPAC and get honest representation!

The negative campaign advertising they run is deplorable.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago
The current situation in Gaza remains a severe humanitarian and security crisis

Have no fear, the Board Of Peace is here !

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1  author  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago

AI Mode Conversation

You said: what are conditions today in West Bank of Israel?
The occupied West Bank is experiencing a sharp surge in military operations, strict lockdowns, and internal closures following a recent shooting near Hebron that killed two Israeli soldiers. [ 1 , 2 ]
Current Security and Lockdown Measures
  • Total Land Closure: The Israeli military has announced a comprehensive closure of all West Bank land crossings and a ban on the entry and exit of Palestinian workers across Judea, Samaria, and the Jordan Valley through upcoming Israeli elections on Tuesday, October 27, 2026. [ 1 , 2 ]
  • Hebron Operations: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered a major military operation and strict lockdown centered around Hebron and surrounding villages after two Palestinian gunmen opened fire near a military checkpoint, wounding five Israelis. [ 1 ]
  • Displacements and Demolitions: Israeli forces have carried out home, shop, and infrastructure demolitions in Hebron and surrounding neighborhoods (such as Al-Jaladah and Ein Deir Baha), displacing over 1,000 to 2,500 Palestinian residents. [ 1 , 2 ]
  • Movement Restrictions: Roadblocks, checkpoints, and military gates continue to disrupt daily life, schools, and medical access for Palestinian communities across various villages. [ 1 ]
 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
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AI Mode Conversation
You said: worldwide economic cost of us war with Iran?
The U.S. war with Iran has cost the U.S. government roughly $38 billion to $40 billion in direct military spending through August/September 2026, while the broader worldwide and domestic economic impact—driven by energy shocks and inflation—has reached an estimated $265 billion , or about $2,000 per U.S. household . [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
Direct Military and Government Costs
  • Direct Pentagon Spending: The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and Department of Defense report direct military costs of approximately $38 billion to $40 billion through early August 2026, with ongoing operations and munitions replacement burning through roughly $2 billion to $3 billion or more each month. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
  • Munitions and Replacements: Expended hardware includes over $20 billion in missile interceptors and cruise missiles, requiring a multi-year timeline and billions more to replenish strategic stockpiles. [ 1 , 2 ]
  • Daily Burn Rate: Short-term upfront costs average roughly $2 billion per day according to estimates from public finance analysts at Harvard. [ 1 ]
Global and Household Economic Impact
  • Total Consumer Burden: According to Moody's Analytics , the conflict has cost U.S. consumers an estimated $265 billion overall, averaging out to $2,000 per household . [ 1 , 2 ]
  • Energy Shocks and "Fossilflation": The de facto closure of the Strait of Hormuz and regional oil infrastructure disruptions have spiked global crude and fuel prices. National regular gasoline prices rose past $4.27–$4.33 per gallon, adding roughly $1,100 per family in extra energy, fuel, and heating costs. [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 ]
  • Borrowing and Interest Rates: War-induced inflation (pushing annual U.S. inflation past 3.4%) has forced higher interest rates, increasing household costs for mortgages, auto loans, and credit cards by an estimated $360 to $540 per family . [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
  • Global Energy Market Shifts: While the shock raised energy costs worldwide, non-Middle Eastern oil producers (such as major firms posting multi-year profit highs like ExxonMobil and Chevron) saw significant windfalls from tightened global supply. [ 1 ]
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Congrats! You've now made the confederate states of America a victim of genocide.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.1  author  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    2 weeks ago

How do you figure that? I will wait. In the meantime Let My People Go!

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.1.1  charger 383  replied to  JBB @7.1    2 weeks ago

Look at Union General Philip H. Sheridan's burning of the Shenandoah Valley

 
 
 
charger 383
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8  charger 383    2 weeks ago

Who started it?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1  author  JBB  replied to  charger 383 @8    2 weeks ago

Moses? The Romans? Jesus? Mohammed? The British? Some say it was a dead Pope from the Middle Ages and the Crusaders. Does it matter? October 7th did not spring from nothing. It is a long story...

How many more generations must suffer this bloody catastrophe?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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8.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JBB @8.1    2 weeks ago
Moses?

He was the one who supposedly passed on the God of the Hebrews message that a land that was already occupied was "promised" to them, a land flowing with milk and honey, and apparently blood for the next three thousand years.

 
 
 
Thomas
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8.1.2  Thomas  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.1    2 weeks ago

It was some shyster just like Donald Trump, selling them some snake oil, promised to be a panacea. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @8.1    2 weeks ago

You're right.  October 7th did not spring from nothing.  Although Jews are not commanded to kill Muslims, Muslims ARE commanded to kill Jews, as the Hadith indicates...

“‘The Hour (of Resurrection) will not be established until Muslims fight the Jews, and Muslims will kill them. The Jews will hide behind stones and trees, and the stone or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding behind me; come and kill him,’ except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.’ 

Alternate but relevant link -> Hadith: The Hour will not come until you fight the Jews: until the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: O Muslim, this is a Jew behind me; kill him - Encyclopedia of Translated Prophetic Hadiths

It is their religious DUTY to kill Jews.  And they will not give up.  This is the reason it is necessary to eradicate Hamas entirely, nothwithstanding the fact that they use human shields to increase the number of dead in order to earn your sympathy and cause worlld-wide hatred of the Jews. 

Hamas-Official-Ghazi-Hamad.jpg  

We will repeat the October 7 attack time and again until Israel is annihilated, says Hamas official Ghazi Hamad

1 Nov 2023, 19:12 | Updated: 10 Feb 2026

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Hamas official Ghazi Hamad warned more attacks are on the way. Picture: Social meda/Video screengrab

By Emma Soteriou

Hamas will carry out attacks over and over again "until Israel is annihilated", one of the group's officials has warned.
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Just wondering, jbb, can I assume it would be no problem for you if Japan attacked Pearl Harbor again and again, or the terrorists would keep flying airplanes into American buildings.  You wouldn't see fit to make sure that they could never again be able to carry out their threats?  

 
 
 
JBB
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8.1.4  author  JBB  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.3    2 weeks ago

What do you propose as workable final solution for Palestinians?

How does Israel solve their Palestinian Problem for once and all? 

Has killing on either side stopped the killing the last 80 years? For the last five hundred years? Other than a genocide what steps could either side make to stop the killing? Do you think Israel committing war crimes will stop poor angry resentful Palestinians from replacing them? That is nuts! Do you believe Palestinians feel any less murderous towards Jews today? Has the Israeli lust for revenge been satisfied yet? No, Israel is causing self harm now. They are squandering the goodwill of nations. You do not believe peace is possible. Perhaps only Armageddon will satisfy dead the ender's prophecy. That is what Christian Nationalist believe. That Jesus will return and all the Jews who will not submit must die. Are you in?

AIPAC is spending over $100,000,000 this election cycle in support of far right wing MAGA candidates. The negative advertising AIPAC is running is full of lies, distortions and hate. This is blowing back on American Jews who abhor that shit! How do you think it will fare for Israeli US aid if Dems regain power? Is there no low too low to go? Apparently anything up to as bad as the goddamn Nazis is allowed! 

It seems you advocate for a Israeli final solution for Palestinians...

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Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @8.1.4    2 weeks ago

When you answer my question I'll consider yours.  In the meantime I find your posts to be disgusting and insulting.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
8.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.3    2 weeks ago
It is their religious DUTY to kill Jews.  And they will not give up.

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Well, I guess if "they" all told you that, then we'll have to believe you , right? Because you know. You'd never harbor hate in your heart for someone who never harmed you but happens to have been born to the wrong parents. You know every single one of these kids hearts and not a one of them is redeemable so let's justify their genocide. Or no, even better, let's not even call it a genocide! Yeah! That's the ticket! /s

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.7  author  JBB  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.5    2 weeks ago

Good! Despite the fact that the Democratic Party has long been Israel's greatest political friend in the US Congress and the defender of Jewish interests worldwide. AIPAC, Israel's official US lobbying group, is right now spending over one hundred million dollars in support of far right MAGA candidates and attacking Democrats. This in spite of the fact that all ten Jews in the United States Senate are either Democrats or Bernie Sanders. There are ZERO Jewish Republicans in the US Senate because there is zero chance in Hell that right-wing evangelical Christian Nationalists ever support a Jew! They are the ones marching in our streets yelling "Jews Will Not Replace Us!". They are rooting for a holy war to kill all Jews and Muslims.

What Israel is doing now is doing serious long term harm to Israel, it relationship with the United States, the civilized world and to all Jews worldwide. Anyone who still truly believes that right MAGA are going to ever be real long term friends of Israel is bat shit krazy! There are damn good reasons American Jews are overwhelming Democrats. It is because the MAGA are borderline fascists. It is because American Jews are more scared of MAGA than Muslims.

While you are at, do try to destroy every hopeful helpful promising young Muslim American politician. See if that works out for you 

For ten years I have been bullied and browbeat and lectured for even suggesting criticism of Israel. I do not support Hamas or Palestinian violence. Neither do I support Israel committing war crimes in retaliation. The AIPAC trolls come out of the woodwork only when Israel is discussed. Well now, besides my own nation financing and arming Israel in it war on Gaza the United States is also fighting a proxy war for Israel in Iran.

The whole World is paying the price and we are sick of it all.

So huff and puff and pout all you like. One thing is for sure, the MAGA and AIPAC stooges online never admit they are wrong.

I am telling you. Israel is self harming. The United States is self harming by helping them. As long as Israel interferes in my nation's elections in support of MAGA, Israel is an enemy! Not the Jewish people, the Jewish state and its political arm AiPAC. My thoughts on this are not uncommon. Over half of all American Jews agree...

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JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.8  author  JBB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.6    2 weeks ago

How sad to survive a haulocaust yet lose ones humanity?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
8.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @8.1.8    2 weeks ago

Yes, how dare Israel does what it has to do to guarantee it will never happen again.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
8.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.3    2 weeks ago
Hamas will carry out attacks over and over again "until Israel is annihilated", one of the group's officials has warned.

Reason enough for Israel to keep going

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.11  author  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.1.10    2 weeks ago

original Imagine all the people living life in peace. Perhaps some day you will join us and the world can live as one...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @8.1.7    2 weeks ago

AIPAC is funding Tom Cotton's and Sarah Sanders campaigns. The lies they tell on the TV are outrageous and shameful but AIPAC has no shame

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
8.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @8.1.11    2 weeks ago

Tell that to Hamas that still wants to destroy Israel

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.14  author  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.12    2 weeks ago

The same here! My television and Internet are chock full of AIPAC sourced low down dirty lying misleading crap campaign ads against Democrats in support of MAGA Republicans!

AIPAC is spending 40 million $ supporting MAGA Mike Rogers in Minnesota against Democrat Abdul El-Sayed. Fuck That!

I don't want to hear on complaint about criticism of Israel...

It is our right to criticize our government. Israel is fair game.

Trust me. Real American Jews are mad disgusted at Israel.

For ten years I've been attacked for even hinting my feelings.

If you want to bring back dead trolls just criticize Israel here.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1.15  author  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.1.13    2 weeks ago

Netanyahu and Trump declared Hamas dead and defeated. Kind of like the happy dance MAGA did when Trump conquered Iran. /S

I do wonder why Trump and Netanyahu never win Nobel's prizes.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
8.1.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @8.1.15    2 weeks ago
Netanyahu and Trump declared Hamas dead and defeated.

Looks like they might be wrong.  But that really doesn't respond to my comment.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8.1.17  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.6    2 weeks ago

THIS is the ticket...

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THIS is the ticket...

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THIS is the ticket...

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This is the ticket...

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Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
8.1.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.17    2 weeks ago

Right. I'm sure some people feel like a cartoon metaphor for actual children being blown to bits, none of them being strung on Hamas fighters belt, makes them feel less connected to or responsible for the child bits laying in the rubble. "Oh, you shouldn't have lived there little guy, didn't you know that there are terrorists who run and hide behind you and we can't be bothered to attempt to carefully hunt them down, that's too risky for us. Better that we blow you all up, because at the end of the day, you look an awful lot like the guys hiding behind you!". /s

I think its just very sad that so many people have to die all for some stupid fiction that's never been proven. None of them can prove their version of God exists or that any God exists, and yet they can't wait to murder and blow up their rival religions' kids all in the name of their brand of God. And then to see some laugh about it and post cartoons to justify their side killing children because they believe the other side is somehow so much worse is just nauseating.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8.1.19  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.18    2 weeks ago

If people rely on and/or believe cartoons and images about the supposed "genocide" as being the truth, there is no reason why the cartoons I posted would not be true as well.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9  author  JBB    2 weeks ago

The Nazi officers who ordered German troops to commit war crimes against civilian populations were later convicted and executed for their "Crimes Against Humanity". Nobody mourned for them...

 
 
 
Thomas
Professor Guide
10  Thomas    2 weeks ago

Whatever happened to grace? 

The war has destroyed the homes of millions of people.

Its lack of restraint has shown up in other regions like the West Bank, prompting the colonizing settlers to harass, unhouse and kill the lawful Palestinian residents. 

Is a 10:1 ratio not enough deaths to trigger some feeling? 

This is clearly collective punishment. It is also clearly ethnic cleansing. One would think that after all of the horrors that had been perpetrated against them, the Jewish community at large would be horrified that the Jewish State was involved in perpetrating specifically these war crimes.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
10.1  charger 383  replied to  Thomas @10    2 weeks ago

Maybe Israelis care about protecting themselves 

 
 
 
Thomas
Professor Guide
10.1.1  Thomas  replied to  charger 383 @10.1    2 weeks ago

The response has been disproportionate and extreme.

What the Netanyahu Government cares about is covering its ass. He is as dirty as the day is long. His manipulations have been like the Trump ones: Long and excruciating slides into the darkness of hatred and conspiracy.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Guide
10.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Thomas @10.1.1    2 weeks ago

Let's make something clear: I am not a fan of Netanyahu, nor do I support what is going on in the West Bank. But you can't blame this whole mess on him. 

The people of Gaza were offered a two-state solution under both Clinton and Obama, and all they had to do was recognize Israel, and they said no. Just like they did in 1948. Israel has said yes every single time. 

Furthermore, Hamas doesn't care how many of their people die. Read why here:

Mass casualties were by design... and hey, it worked.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.1.3  author  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.2    2 weeks ago

Opinions Vary, but 61% of American Jews believe Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza and 39% believe it is a genocide AI Mode Conversation

You asked: Do American Jews support Israel in Gaza?
AI Response 
"American Jewish support for Israel 's military operations in Gaza is deeply divided, showing significant gaps based on age, religiosity, and political affiliation . [ 1 , 2 ]
  • Military Operations & Ethics:
    • According to a Washington Post Poll , 46% of American Jews approve of Israel’s actions in Gaza while 48% oppose them; 61% state that Israel committed war crimes in Gaza, and 39% say it committed genocide.
    • Conversely, an AP-NORC Poll notes that roughly half of religiously affiliated U.S. Jews consider the Gaza operations justified, compared to only 21% of secular or unaffiliated Jews. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
  • Generational Divide:
    • Older American Jews (ages 45 and older) are significantly more supportive of Israel's military campaign and leadership, whereas younger Jews (under 45) express much higher levels of criticism, disillusionment, and willingness to accuse Israel of genocide or back alternative political structures.
    • A survey published by the Forward found that nearly half (49%) of U.S. Jews under 35 support replacing Israel with a single binational state. [ 1 , 2 , 3 ]
  • Leadership and Aid:
    • Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu receives negative marks from a large majority (68%) of American Jews in recent polling.
    • Despite criticism of the government's conduct, broad majorities still view Israel's survival as vital to the Jewish people (76%), and majorities favor continued military aid or humanitarian assistance to civilians, according to data from the Pew Research Center . [ 1 , 2 ]"
 
 
 
Thomas
Professor Guide
10.1.4  Thomas  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.2    2 weeks ago

Are the people,the citizens, the same as the governing agency?

Those who claimed to represent the Palestinian people made decisions for religious and political reasons. Their decisions deserve scrutiny. But even when leaders reject a peace proposal, the people they claim to represent retain their rights and their protection as civilians.

A failed negotiation does not make a population collectively responsible or remove those protections.

At least according to the principles we claimed to uphold before Trump. Now I wonder whether we are throwing the whole lot into a big pile and retrieving whichever pieces are resonant with our narrative.

The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace and security in 1993. That matters. We cannot discuss this honestly while treating the PLO, Hamas, and generations of Palestinian civilians as the same people making the same decisions.

The problem I see is that everyone wants to cherry-pick the evidence supporting their claims. If the basis for a claim to sovereignty is that God promised somebody the land, you know I will never accept that as sufficient grounds for denying someone else their rights. Religious conviction does not establish ownership of another person’s home.

And if Hamas regards Palestinian civilian deaths as useful, that condemns Hamas. It does not absolve the Netanyahu government of responsibility for its own conduct. Palestinian civilians should not have to prove that their leaders are decent before their lives matter. Nor does Hamas’s conduct strip Palestinian civilians of their status as noncombatants or their protection from attack

There is more than enough blame to go around. It is high time we put more effort into negotiating peace than settling feuds

HCR - "People will 'People'"

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.1.5  author  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.2    2 weeks ago

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JBB
Professor Principal
10.1.6  author  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.2    2 weeks ago

You are "not a fan of" hardly anyone. The only US politicians I remember you publicly supporting are Bloomberg and Cuomo.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
10.2  Colour Me Free  replied to  Thomas @10    2 weeks ago
This is clearly collective punishment. It is also clearly ethnic cleansing. One would think that after all of the horrors that had been perpetrated against them, the Jewish community at large would be horrified that the Jewish State was involved in perpetrating specifically these war crimes.

War Crimes?  I do not agree with the devastation in Gaza - but the only individuals responsible for what has happened is Hamas. Ethnic cleansing??? I do not even know what to say .. I do know what my mom would have said 'someone's ignorance is showing'

You do realize that Israel provides medication and food to the Palestinian people that Hamas takes? ....  Egypt has a gate to keep Hamas out..  Arab nations do not take very many Palestinian refugees, because they want to keep Hamas out.

One of the biggest copouts I have ever heard is:  I have no problem with Jewish people ... I have a problem with Zionism .. a problem with Israel .. or Netanyahu.  Ummm they are all Jewish. My oldest son keeps spitting that shit out .. and my comment is always the same "whatever helps you sleep at night!"

Where was your outrage when the Syrian people were being slaughtered to the tune of give or take 650k... where is the outrage for the people of the Sudan?  If it was Egypt devastating Gaza would you even say a word?  I am thinking the answer is NO ..!

Since October 7th the white supremist jaws have been hitting the ground watching how the people of the world are acting towards Israel and the Jews and getting away with it.  In Charlotteville the racist pieces of shit were chanting 'Jews will not replace us' and it still has people clutching their pearls .. if they were the ones marching in the streets and blocking Jewish students on campus, the left would be freaking out and condemning them.

....and to think Trump is being called Hitler - when the only people acting like Hitler are those that were marching in the street chanting "from the river to the sea"

 
 
 
Thomas
Professor Guide
10.2.1  Thomas  replied to  Colour Me Free @10.2    2 weeks ago

Good and evil are not a zero sum game.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
10.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thomas @10    2 weeks ago
The war has destroyed the homes of millions of people

The very homes used by Hamas to hid among the civilian population.  It's nothing new.  We saw the same tactic in Afghanistan and Iraq.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
11  charger 383    2 weeks ago

Looks like More people in US care about Gaza than the rest of the Arabs, that should tell you something

 
 
 
Thomas
Professor Guide
11.1  Thomas  replied to  charger 383 @11    2 weeks ago

Looks like More people in US care about Gaza than the rest of the Arabs, that should tell you something

Who, how, what and why? Any proof?

Is this just a personal summation or do you have a frog in your pocket?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
11.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Thomas @11.1    2 weeks ago
Who, how, what and why? Any proof?

Seems some are determined to believe that if you don't support killing Palestinians indiscriminately or complain about how many Palestinian civilians are being killed then you must support terrorism and are antisemitic and hate Jews. I guess it's to be expected from the poorly educated and narrow minded who simply aren't capable of thinking about an issue and forming their own opinion. It's much easier for such simpletons to just adopt talking points.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
11.1.2  charger 383  replied to  Thomas @11.1    2 weeks ago

just look around. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
11.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thomas @11.1    2 weeks ago
Any proof?

It's not hard to find the proof.  3 simple questions:

  1. How many arab nations come to help the palestinians? 
  2. How many arab nations sent aid to gaza?  
  3. How many arab nations took in palestinian refugees?

The answer to all is "NONE".  That should be a glaring warning to the rest of the world that even their own middle eastern nations want anything to do with them.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
11.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.1.3    2 weeks ago
It's not hard to find the proof.

That's your proof? That other Arab nations didn't jump in and help Gaza after October 7th? jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

Oh, and also your logic is so full of holes it shouldn't be allowed to be called 'logic' anymore, it's just a 'log' of excrement.

Major Humanitarian Contributions
  • United Arab Emirates (UAE) : Operates Operation Gallant Knight 3 / Operation Chivalrous Knight 3 , delivering thousands of tonnes of food parcels, shelter materials, and running field hospitals and medical evacuations via Al Arish in Egypt. [ 1 ]
  • Saudi Arabia : Channels significant assistance through the Saudi Aid Platform (KSrelief), providing hundreds of millions in relief supplies, food security programs, and support for healthcare and infrastructure. [ 1 , 2 ]
  • Egypt : Serves as a primary entry point for humanitarian aid trucks into Gaza, pledges funds for post-conflict reconstruction, and treats injured Palestinians in Egyptian hospitals. [ 1 ]
  • Jordan : Executes regular humanitarian airdrops and truck deliveries of food and medical supplies while continuing to host and support a large population of Palestinian refugees. [ 1 ]
  • Qatar : Functions as a key political mediator for ceasefire negotiations while delivering humanitarian and financial relief. [ 1 , 2 ]
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
11.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.4    2 weeks ago
That's your proof?

I guess common sense is too much for some to handle.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11.1.6  author  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.1.3    2 weeks ago

Arab and Muslim nations and leaders are more agreeable and more motivated now than ever before to negotiate peace...

The Israeli government and it's leadership are not interested.

But first, let's drag down every hopeful young Muslim leader!

That's the ticket! original

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
11.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @11.1.6    2 weeks ago

Any negotiated peace should start with Hamas to formally recognize Israel's right to exist..  If they can't get past that there is no reason for negotiations.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
11.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.1.5    2 weeks ago
I guess common sense is too much for some to handle.

You must be using that other definition of common then...

Common: adjective - falling below ordinary standards : second-rate; lacking refinement : COMMON Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

Why bother listening to those spouting second-rate nonsense.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11.1.9  author  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @11.1.7    2 weeks ago

Arab nations are starting to do just that. As things stand they do not feel Israel is am honest negotiating partner. It is not just Muslims fed up with Israel. The world wants peace. It takes two to tangle...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
11.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @11.1.9    2 weeks ago
Arab nations are starting to do just that.

Yes and Hamas is not.  Until then there is no reason to negotiate with them.

The world wants peace.

Of course the world wants peace.  The only ones that don't are Hamas.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
11.2  Colour Me Free  replied to  charger 383 @11    2 weeks ago

Amen!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11.2.1  author  JBB  replied to  Colour Me Free @11.2    2 weeks ago

Feral cats are feral cats are feral cats? Whose blood liable now?

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charger 383
Professor Silent
11.2.2  charger 383  replied to  JBB @11.2.1    2 weeks ago

feral cats can be a problem; I have said that for a long time

As for who is liable; you poke the bear you might get the teeth and claws. 

 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11.2.3  author  JBB  replied to  charger 383 @11.2.2    2 weeks ago

You make my point about hate and intolerance quite adeptly! Thank you for illustrating the inhumanity of xenophobia...

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charger 383
Professor Silent
12  charger 383    2 weeks ago

It's real simple: Israel is a US ally, Gaza is not 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
12.1  author  JBB  replied to  charger 383 @12    2 weeks ago

An Ally? Israel spends hundreds of millions interfering in US elections. AIPAC is spending hundreds of millions interfering in our election. Go tell Democrats who vote aid to Israel that Israel is their friend while AIPAC attacks them. Why should Democrats still support Israel?

I am not criticizing Israel so much as warning.

80+ years of friendship is being squandered...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
12.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  JBB @12.1    2 weeks ago
AIPAC is spending hundreds of millions interfering in our election.

AIPAC is funded exclusively by American citizens.  AIPAC receives ZERO funding from Israel or any foreign source.   Whether you agree with them or not, they have as much right to express their opinion as you do.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
12.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  Gsquared @12.1.1    2 weeks ago

Forgive me for using "AIPAC" as shorthand for the whole Jewish lobby and all its associated super PACS. We could totally derail about the intricacies of international political money. As someone famously said, "It's all about the Benjamins". That was AOC and she was accused of antisemitism for an innocent quip. She had no idea. Benjamin Franklin was not even Jewish. Just the guy on a fifty $.

Regardless AIPAC alone is spending 100 million helping MAGA next Tuesday. Whose pocket it it all comes from? Nobody knows...

Their (Plural) negative advertising and online content is disgusting!

What we see in NYC on network TV would make Gobbels cringe.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
12.1.3  Gsquared  replied to  JBB @12.1.2    2 weeks ago
the whole Jewish lobby

A term like "the whole Jewish lobby" has a very Goebbels feel about it.  It's like when people say "the Jews control everything".  We've heard all this before.

You might want to re-think where you're going with this.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
12.1.4  author  JBB  replied to  Gsquared @12.1.3    2 weeks ago

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