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‘Spit on our sacrifice’: Canadian veterans fume after Trump and allies take jibes at military

  

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Via:  hallux  •  one month ago  •  25 comments

By:    John Semley - The Guardian

‘Spit on our sacrifice’: Canadian veterans fume after Trump and allies take jibes at military
Military families say Trump officials ‘owe us an apology’ after disparaging remarks by JD Vance, Pete Hegseth and others

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O n the morning of 11 September 2001, Perry Chalmers was running drills for the Royal Canadian Regiment’s specialised mortar platoon in New Brunswick when he heard the news: America was under attack. Word quickly spread across the base. “I went inside to watch the news,” the former corporal recalls. “And there was a huge feeling of – and you’re going to have to excuse me – holy shit. What the fuck just happened?”

Chalmers called his wife, who informed him that, just before 10.30am, the second of the World Trade Center towers had fallen. With that, his battalion was put on notice: dispatched to nearby airports to assist in the forced landings of commercial aircraft after the shutdown of North American airspace.

The Canadian troops went to retrieve their rucksacks and any other necessities, should they need to spring into action at a moment’s notice. As Chalmers recalls: “Things started to happen really quickly.”

Chalmers would deploy to Afghanistan, on a nine-month tour of combat duty, where he saw combat alongside US troops. He put his mortar platoon training to good use, as a counter-IED engineer, dealing with the threat of improvised explosives in conjunction with the US army’s 10th Mountain Division.

He was one of more than 40,000 members of the Canadian armed forces who served in Afghanistan, supporting US and Nato operations. The Canadians lost 158 lives. In 2007, a stretch of Ontario’s highway 401 was rechristened the “Highway of Heroes” to commemorate the convoys of fallen soldiers ferried between the military base in Trenton, Ontario, and the coroner’s office in Toronto.

This response to 9/11 was consistent with the longer history of Canadian-US military cooperation. About 14,000 Canadians landed on Juno Beach in Normandy on D-day during the second world war. More than 26,000 Canadians served in the Korean war. While Canada did not officially participate in the Vietnam war, an estimated 30,000 Canadians headed across the border to volunteer for the US military.

Over the course of the war in Afghanistan, Chalmers can count 35 fellow Canadian troops who lost their lives. But he never really brooked any regrets, or bad feelings, about his role in the US-led war. “My experience was that we were participating in an operation to help our brothers and sisters in the United States,” he says. “None of them ever snubbed their noses at us. We were treated as equals, and respected, for what we brought to the table.”

But no longer. While calling Canada “a state”, the US vice-president, JD Vance, recently commented that it “had underinvested in its military that quite literally would get invaded by a foreign country were it not for the umbrella of protection provided by the United States of America”.

Going one step further, Donald Trump’s transportation secretary, Sean Duffy, told Fox News that Canada “doesn’t have a military”.

Self-styled “secretary of war” Pete Hegseth has spent time on X, mocking Canadian cadets and criticising a Canadian coast guard detachment for taking part in a Pride celebration. Trump himself was criticised earlier this year for claiming that Canadian and other Nato forces in Afghanistan were “never needed”, claiming these allies “stayed a little back, a little off the frontlines”.

The remarks have been condemned at the highest level of the Canadian government. The defence minister, David McGuinty, described Hegseth’s social media posts as “below the dignity of the office he holds”. Amid a serious diplomatic dispute between the two countries, the prime minister, Mark Carney, accused Trump and Hegseth of “doing memes”.

“It’s disrespect and betrayal,” Chalmers says. “It makes me very angry.”

“It’s really hard to hear how ungrateful they are, especially Vance, who served,” said Chris Banks, a retired Canadian army sergeant with nearly two decades of experience. “To hear him spit on our sacrifice is insulting, it’s hurtful, and it’s disrespectful to the dead. On the other hand, these men have proven themselves nothing more than children. So when I heard JD Vance say it, it’s like, ‘Oh, good. Dumbass said something else.’”

Banks deployed to Afghanistan in 2008, where he was part of a Canadian platoon that laid down cover fire for Americans under attack from the Taliban. To this day, he still has vivid memories of taking cover in a ditch near Pashmul, alongside an American platoon, looking up as the trees overhead were shredded by shrapnel.

He says he was proud to serve. But when he came home to Ontario in 2009, he felt something had changed. He began drinking heavily – sometimes as much as a litre of vodka a day – and struggling with suicidal thoughts. All hallmarks of PTSD. He received treatment, and now advocates for the mental health and wellbeing of other Canadian veterans. Still, a tinge of bitterness remains, when he thinks back on fighting on behalf of the US.

“I lost a part of myself,” he says. “In that war we fought, for them.”

N ancy Payne still remembers exactly where she was when she found out her son had died. Cpl Randy Payne served with a military police unit, stationed in Wainwright, Alberta. He was part of a specialised close protection team, charged with safeguarding high-ranking officers, government officials and other VIPs, in war zones.

On 22 April 2006, an armoured vehicle triggered a roadside bomb outside Kandahar airbase, killing Payne and three other Canadian soldiers. It was the deadliest attack on Canadian forces since 2002 – when four Canadian soldiers were killed by a US bomb after a disastrous friendly fire incident at the Tarnak Farms training facility in Afghanistan.

Nancy was at home, alone, when the phone rang in the dead of the night. It was her son’s commanding officer. “When you get a call at three in the morning from Randy’s boss, you know it’s not good news,” she recalls, speaking over the phone from her home in Lansdowne, Ontario. “I just kept saying ‘Not my Randy … not my Randy’.”

In 2025, the Royal Canadian Legion awarded Nancy a Silver Cross, a commendation for Canadian military mothers. She laid a wreath at the national war memorial during the Remembrance Day ceremony in Ottawa.

More locally, she has commemorated her son with a prize – “the Captain’s Award” – bestowed to students who distinguish themselves in athletics and leadership at his former high school. She, too, is unnerved by the US attacks on the Canadian military and veterans like her son. “What they’re saying is not right,” she says. “We were neighbours for so long. That’s all changed, now.”

Nancy is not the only military mother who feels this way. Earlier this year, Jane McKay, mother of deceased Master Cpl Tim Wilson, penned an op-ed for the Toronto Sun newspaper taking aim at the Trump administration. “Trump has no respect for any soldier – American, or Canadian, or those from the Nato alliance,” she wrote. “He owes them all an apology.”

Some US politicians have tried to make amends. On 1 September, the Arizona Democratic senator Ruben Gallego travelled to Ottawa on an official congressional trip. The goal was to strengthen the weakening trade relations between the two countries. But Gallego made a point of singling out Hegseth’s anti-Canadian military tweets as “deeply disrespectful to the men and women of Canada that have died fighting with us”.

For veterans like Chalmers, such words may be too little, too late. He used to play tabletop strategy games with a group of civilian friends in the US, via the online social platform Discord. That all ended when they laughed off his concerns about Trump’s talk of Canada becoming the “51st state”. Banks used to routinely take his family across the border for vacations and stateside shopping trips. No more. “I loved working with Americans, I loved training with them,” he says. “But now it’s hard to have that same level of empathy.”

Would he eagerly enlist to help the US again?

“What would happen if there was another hypothetical 9/11?” he says. “I hate to say it, but why would any nation, ever again, partner with the United States, if this is how they treat their closest neighbour and ally?”


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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    one month ago

Dump Hegseth, Vance and Trump and we'll think 'aboot' it.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1    one month ago

it was nazi massacres of canadian and american forces between normandy and bastogne by the SS that set off my uncle pete's unit. they took no SS prisoners when they could get away with it, and absolutely none during and after the bulge ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2  Trout Giggles    one month ago
“What would happen if there was another hypothetical 9/11?” he says. “I hate to say it, but why would any nation, ever again, partner with the United States, if this is how they treat their closest neighbour and ally?

Yes. Why would they? Canada has been an ally of ours for 200 years and this is the way we treat them?

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Trout Giggles @2    one month ago

My nephew, who was medaled for carrying a wounded US soldier to saftey in Afghanistan, fought along side Perry Chalmers as a mortar specialist.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @2.1    one month ago

my nephew was associated with pete some way in either iraq or afghanistan. supposedly my sister has a picture with both of them in it over there, but I haven't seen it or even wanted to ...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3  Ozzwald    one month ago
‘Spit on our sacrifice’: Canadian veterans fume after Trump and allies take jibes at military

And yet it is our military that requires gender affirming medication.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  Ozzwald @3    one month ago

sounds like pete's over-compensating, and acting a lot like a closeted maga republican ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ozzwald @3    one month ago

Kegsbreath looks and acts like he has low T

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2    one month ago

he's probably popping testosterone and boner pills like tic tacs ...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  devangelical @3.2.1    one month ago

he's probably popping testosterone and boner pills like tic tacs ...

Compensates by driving something like this....

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Freefaller
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4  Freefaller    one month ago

As a 38 year veteran I'm not fuming, this is just another example of Trump and associates doing the only things they're good at (insults, threats and jibes)

 
 
 
Gsquared
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5  Gsquared    one month ago

Trump and his clique have really fucked us good.  It will probably take generations to recover, if ever.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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5.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gsquared @5    one month ago

Keep in mind that Canadians have no problem with the American people, except Trump and his supporters.  And I believe that the Americans who aren't Trump supporters don't resent Canada\s retaliation against Trump.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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5.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1    one month ago
Americans who aren't Trump supporters don't resent Canada\s retaliation against Trump.

We don't resent it for a second.  None of it.  We wish them well.

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.1    one month ago

their shared history of eradicating nazis could be very useful to sane americans in the near future ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    one month ago

It is a race to the bottom to see who is the worst American of the 21st century.  Trump or Kegsbreath. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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6.1  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

Right now they're neck and neck with Vance closing in.

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @6.1    one month ago

don't forget the anchor baby and cabana boy pretending to be SoS ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.2  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

together they've made america extremely vulnerable to our enemies, exposed their weakness and incompetence, and alienated our allies ...

 
 
 
shona1
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6.2.1  shona1  replied to  devangelical @6.2    one month ago

Morning...no America is certainly not the flavour of the month here that's for sure..

It's almost a daily ridicule of Trump and his policies and basically as soon as he opens his mouth we kill ourselves laughing..

Don't know of to many countries that do have affection for America at the moment...other than Russia and Argentina..and that says it all..

Hopefully things will change when Trumpet gets the arse, but the damage could be well and truly done by then..

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.2.2  seeder  Hallux  replied to  shona1 @6.2.1    one month ago

Ferenginar has fond feelings for Wall Street.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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6.3  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

Hegseth just does what Trump wants.   The bottom is firmly held by Trump.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago
More than one million Canadians and Newfoundlanders served in World War II. Over 45,000 soldiers died, and 9,000 endured harsh conditions as prisoners of war.
LINK-
 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8  Right Down the Center    one month ago

I guess "Brothers in Arms" means very little to some.

Disgraceful

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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9  sandy-2021492    one month ago
Earlier this year, Jane McKay, mother of deceased Master Cpl Tim Wilson, penned an op-ed for the Toronto Sun newspaper taking aim at the Trump administration. “Trump has no respect for any soldier – American, or Canadian, or those from the Nato alliance,” she wrote. “He owes them all an apology.”

Ma'am, I absolutely agree.  But don't hold your breath.

 
 

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