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Trump says he’s banning MS NOW, CNN and Politico from White House

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  hallux  •  2 months ago  •  155 comments

By:   Kevin Breuninger & Dan Mangan - CNBC

Trump says he’s banning MS NOW, CNN and Politico from White House
The attempt to block access to disfavored news outlets could draw a legal challenge over violations of the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


President Donald Trump said Friday that he is banning MS NOW, CNN and Politico from the White House over their coverage of him.

Trump, who frequently accuses mainstream media outlets of writing “fake news,” said in a Truth Social post that those outlets “shouldn’t be able to constantly write or report FICTION and LIES.”




He did not identify any specific coverage.

“Other Fake News Media Outlets to follow,” Trump added.

The White House did not immediately respond to CNBC’s request for comment on the post.

CNBC has reached out for comment from the three media outlets Trump targeted.

Trump has long targeted news outlets and individual journalists over what he claims is unfair coverage. He encourages his supporters at political rallies to boo and jeer at reporters present, and he regularly takes to social media to call out journalists by name and insult them in personal terms.




But the attempt to block White House access to disfavored news outlets takes Trump’s open hostility for critical reporting to a new extreme.

It could also draw a legal challenge over violations of the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment, which protects the freedom of the press.

Trump sought to bar Associated Press journalists from the Oval Office and Air Force One following the wire service’s decision to refer to the Gulf of Mexico by its centuries-old name instead of the “Gulf of America.”

A federal judge ruled in April 2025 that Trump’s action against the AP was “contrary to the First Amendment.” An appeal of that decision is still pending.

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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    2 months ago

Coward works as a description!

 
 
 
evilone
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2  evilone    2 months ago
“Media Outlets shouldn’t be able to constantly write or report FICTION and LIES when they’re covering the President of the United States, the Trump Administration, or the United States of America,” Trump wrote. “Other Fake News Media Outlets to follow.”

For a guy so quick to sue for libel, he's got to know he can't win this fight. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  evilone @2    2 months ago

his legion of maga morons don't care ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilone @2    2 months ago

He doesn't know anything. He certainly doesn't understand the First Amendment

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3  cjcold  replied to  evilone @2    2 months ago

If one points a camera at Trump or his blond bimbo and then broadcasts the results, then they are guilty of broadcasting fake news.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3  Ozzwald    2 months ago

The remaining news agencies will be provided with official, monogramed, Whitehouse pillows for the reporters to kneel on while they suck his small flaccid penis.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1  evilone  replied to  Ozzwald @3    2 months ago
The remaining news agencies will be provided with official, monogramed, Whitehouse pillows for the reporters to kneel on while they suck his small flaccid penis.

Remember when Obama tried to ban Fox News and the other major carriers told him to fuck off? Wonder which ones will stand up to Trump?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  evilone @3.1    2 months ago
Remember when Obama tried to ban Fox News
AI Overview
President Obama did not ban Fox News from the White House, but his administration did attempt to freeze out the network from a specific pool interview in 2009 . [ 1 ]
What Happened in 2009
  • The Freeze-Out: In October 2009, the Treasury Department tried to exclude Fox News from a pool interview with executive-pay czar Kenneth Feinberg.
  • The Press Pushback: Other major networks (CNN, ABC, CBS, and NBC) refused to participate in the interview unless Fox News was included, causing the administration to back down.
  • Public Stance: White House officials openly criticized the network, stating they viewed Fox News as operating more like a communications arm of the Republican Party than a traditional news outlet.  
Access and Briefings
  • No Blanket Ban: Fox News reporters were never barred from White House press briefings or kicked off the White House press credentials list.
  • Continued Intercourse: The Obama administration continued to take questions from Fox News correspondents and granted interviews to the network throughout both terms
 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.2  evilone  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.1    2 months ago
President Obama did not ban Fox News from the White House, but his administration did attempt to freeze out the network from a specific pool interview in 2009 .

Okay... they tried to limit access. Being pedantic with the details doesn't make it better.

The Press Pushback:

I noted that. Who's going to pushback against Trump? The AP still has a pending 1st Amendment lawsuit against the White House for their retaliation against the the AP for not using Gulf of America. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  evilone @3.1.2    2 months ago
Who's going to pushback against Trump?

There will be lawsuits over this. They just haven't filed yet because Trump posted on his social network on Friday (I don't know what time he posted as I have much better things to do than follow him) and the White House didn't block their entrance until Saturday. This is just another lawsuit that he will lose and taxpayers will foot the bill. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.3    2 months ago
There will be lawsuits over this. They just haven't filed yet because Trump posted on his social network on Friday

This seems to be the same defense of Trump his followers have used for years "You guys are overreacting, the courts and constitution will keep him in check" instead of actually ever acknowledging that what he's attempting to do is unconstitutional and anti-American. Say the words MAGA folk, don't keep hiding behind fantasy protections that don't work if the people in power refuse to do their job of oversight.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.3    2 months ago
I don't know what time he posted as I have much better things to do than follow him

Trump harms this nation every day more than any other individual on the planet.

People need to pay attention to what he is doing and then take appropriate action.  Those who are not ready to mitigate his impact by taking the feckless GOPTRUMP out of power—for abdicating congressional oversight to Trump—are doing the nation a great disservice.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.6  Snuffy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.4    2 months ago

That's some amazing gymnastics to twist my post into a defense of Trump. It's a shame that knee-jerk reactions are so in vogue, we'll never fix the divide in this country until people can actually stop those reactions. Perhaps reread the last sentence in my post.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.6    2 months ago

Everyone should be critical of Trump and the feckless GOPTRUMP at this stage.   We are not in normal circumstances where people merely bicker over political differences.   Trump and his cronies continue to damage our nation — abusing their power for personal gain.  We have witnessed a historic failure of Congress to rein in the worst PotUS in our history.   The people need to step in and hold Congress accountable for their inaction.

Trump needs to be hobbled.   This should register as an extremely serious matter to patriots.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.6    2 months ago
Perhaps reread the last sentence in my post.

I read the last sentence, but simply acknowledging he'll lose in court and stick us with the bill isn't enough from those who everyone knows would have screamed bloody murder over this kind of thing had Biden attempted it. Could you imagine how rightwing conservatives would have reacted had Biden simply ejected all conservative media because they weren't writing nice enough stories about him? Are you fucking kidding me? And all you have is "Well the courts won't let it stand" when the guy you've been carrying water for years is doing it. Pardon me for not being more magnanimous of the Trump supports finally acknowledging that maybe the orange man is bad.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.9  Snuffy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.8    2 months ago

Got it. So because I didn't scream to have him drawn and quartered, there are those who believe I support Trump in this. All I can say is have a nice day.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.9    2 months ago

One need not go to extremes—just normal, fact-based criticism of the worst, most corrupt, most damaging PotUS in US history.   Criticism of an ever-present agent damaging our nation rather than deflection, defense, and/or token tepid criticism.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.11  evilone  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.3    2 months ago
There will be lawsuits over this.

Read this morning they will file this morning. 

This is just another lawsuit that he will lose and taxpayers will foot the bill. 

This is one more check on the wannabe dick-tatar's list.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.12  Snuffy  replied to  evilone @3.1.11    2 months ago
There will be lawsuits over this.
Read this morning they will file this morning. 

Yep, I saw that. And they will probably win that fight. While the First Amendment does not guarantee a special right of physical access to restricted government property like the White House, federal courts have ruled in the past (Sherril v Knight (1977)) that the White House cannot revoke or deny press passes based on a dislike of a journalist's reporting or viewpoint. The government does not have to open the White House to reporters but case law establishes that if the government chooses to open a press facility and issue credentials, it cannot do so arbitrarily. 

 
 
 
Freewill
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3.1.13  Freewill  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.3    2 months ago
This is just another lawsuit that he will lose, and taxpayers will foot the bill.

Exactly!  I am so tired of this bullshit, and I fail to understand how EVERYONE isn't at this point.  Nobody liked it when Obama made much less of a move against Fox News back in his day.  Why would something much worse be acceptable now?

Just think this one through.  This is EXACTLY why many of our founders felt it necessary to draft and ratify the Bill of Rights.  This is EXACTLY what the First Amendment, and by incorporation later legal precedent and the 14th Amendment was supposed to prevent.  The Government, including any of its levels and branches, cannot prohibit or abridge the freedom of speech or the press.  This includes ALL freedom of the press, including access to briefings on what the Government is saying and doing.  To allow a government to ban/block those in the press with whom they disagree invites tyranny, it most certainly does not invite the truth.     

From the Trump Administration's vantage point, how will banning certain unfriendly press groups from White House briefings end the "unfriendly" positions and statements made about them? Indeed, it will make them worse.   At least with those agencies present at such briefings you could make a case for how they did not report on what was said accurately.  It makes zero sense to block them out, on top of being obviously unconstitutional even to those without a legal degree or experience.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.14  Ozzwald  replied to  evilone @3.1.2    2 months ago
Okay... they tried to limit access. Being pedantic with the details doesn't make it better.

On one, single, occasion.  That's a BIG detail...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4  Hal A. Lujah    2 months ago

Honestly, does it even matter anymore?  I’m sick to death of seeing Trump’s face and hearing his voice on my news channel.  It makes zero difference if they are in the WH, the outcomes will be the same, and the reporting will be the same just less offensive by virtue of less visual and audio of the worst human on earth (using the word “human” here pretty generously).  Fuck Trump.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5  MrFrost    2 months ago

Fascist says what?

 
 
 
George
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5.1  George  replied to  MrFrost @5    2 months ago

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MrFrost
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5.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  George @5.1    2 months ago

Let me guess you are fine with what trump is trying to do?

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.2  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.1    2 months ago

most of maga hates the first amendment, except the "freedom of religion" part for trump fellating thumper scum ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @5.1.2    2 months ago

But the only religion they want freedom for is the Bible-thumping, evangelical, Christian Nationalist shit

 
 
 
Gsquared
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6  Gsquared    2 months ago

Another dictatorial move by Trump.  The free people of America have no alternative but to RESIST.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7  Tacos!    2 months ago

It's a cowardly move, but I actually think he should be allowed to ban anyone he wants from the White House - or at the very least, the Oval Office. I mean, it's not his personal house, but it is there for his use while he is president. 

There are already limits on who can enter and when. It's not as if the media outlets are not still free to do stories on him.

If there is a Constitutional problem, it will be that he did it explicitly because he doesn't like their reporting. This is literally the reason he gave. Viewpoint discrimination is pretty much always unconstitutional. I don't think he needed to give a reason, but since he volunteered one, it is the unconstitutional one.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.1  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 months ago

I would support banning a genuine troublemaker—for example, someone who repeatedly refuses to follow established rules or protocols.

Trump banned entire organizations.

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.1.1  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @7.1    2 months ago

midterm red meat for the maga morons ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 months ago
a legal challenge over violations of the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment.

The 1st Amendment covers their REPORTING the news.  Not access to people or places.  This adminstration isn't playing like Biden's did and restrict information being put out.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8    2 months ago

Do you approve of Trump banning these organizations from the White House?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @8.1    2 months ago
Do you approve of Trump banning these organizations from the White House?

It happens under every administration.  You just want to cry about it because, well, because it's Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.1    2 months ago

Trollish response.   Disagreeing with your viewpoint is not crying.   Attempt to discuss matters in an adult manner.

Apparently, you approve of Trump banning organizations.   Trump acts, and you automatically agree.

It happens under every administration. 

BULLSHIT.   Obama threatened Fox News and then backed down due to its illegality.   Only Nixon banned an organization:  the Washington Post.  Modern case law would have precluded that ban.

 
 
 
evilone
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8.1.3  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.2    2 months ago
Only Nixon banned an organization:  the Washington Post.  Modern case law would have precluded that ban.

A federal judge has a current block on a White House ban of the AP (issued back in Feb 2025) while the case winds through court. The ban was issued because the AP refuses to rename the Gulf of Mexico. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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8.1.4  devangelical  replied to  evilone @8.1.3    2 months ago

POS/POTUS can't answer the hard questions ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.2    2 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.5    2 months ago

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goose is back
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8.1.7  goose is back  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.2    2 months ago
Attempt to discuss matters in an adult manner.
just normal, fact-based criticism of the worst, most corrupt, most damaging PotUS in US history.   Criticism of an ever-present agent damaging our nation rather than deflection, defense, and/or token tepid criticism.

LOL

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  goose is back @8.1.7    2 months ago

You have nothing to contribute; just here to troll?

 
 
 
evilone
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8.2  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8    2 months ago
The 1st Amendment covers their REPORTING the news.  Not access to people or places. 

So you'd be okay if the next Dem admin banned Fox and OAN? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.2    2 months ago
So you'd be okay if the next Dem admin banned Fox and OAN?

Are they blocking them from reporting?  

 
 
 
evilone
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8.2.2  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.1    2 months ago
Are they blocking them from reporting?  

Yes. See 8.3.2 below.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.2.2    2 months ago
Yes.

No.  8.3.2 is mere fictitious bullshit.  They can report on what they see happening.  They don't have to be in the room.

 
 
 
evilone
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8.2.4  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.3    2 months ago
They can report on what they see happening.  They don't have to be in the room.

Tell us all, how do you see what's happening in a room you can't be in.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.2.4    2 months ago
I showed you case law. 

As I stated.  They do it with the military daily. 

 
 
 
evilone
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8.2.6  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.5    2 months ago
As I stated. 

You haven't answered a single question. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.2.6    2 months ago
You haven't answered a single question. 

And neither have you.  Just stomped your feet because I won't capitulate.

 
 
 
evilone
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8.2.8  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.7    2 months ago
And neither have you. 

I posted how better legal minds than you will argue it is a 1st and 5th Amendment issue. They are actually going to go to court, site the law and argue their case. It's more than you have done.

Just stomped your feet because I won't capitulate.

Capitulate? Hahahaha. You never answer anything. You're opinion here means less than than you think.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.2.8    2 months ago
You never answer anything.

I do answer.

[✘] You're opinion here means less than than you think.[✘]

 
 
 
evilone
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8.2.10  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.9    2 months ago
I do answer. 

Then give us the legal foundation of your option. Show us the legality on how barring press access from the government isn't an abridgment on the freedom of the press. 

"The First Amendment is clear that once the White House invites in some journalists, it can't ban others because it doesn't like their reporting," said Bruce Brown, president of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, which provides legal services to the media.
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.2.10    2 months ago
Show us the legality on how barring press access from the government isn't an abridgment on the freedom of the press. 

Bloggers are banned from certain briefings in the Pentagon.  In fact their access was restricted because the nature of these briefings. Shit, they aren't even permitted past the enterance of the building I work in.

 
 
 
evilone
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8.2.12  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.11    2 months ago
Bloggers are banned from certain briefings in the Pentagon.

We're not talking about bloggers, or the Pentagon.

We are talking about whole news orgs that on Friday had access before being attacked by the President as Fake News and on Saturday barred from doing their jobs.

Try again.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.2.12    2 months ago
We're not talking about bloggers, or the Pentagon.

You asked for an example.  I gave you one.  You not liking it, well, that's your problem, not mine.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.3  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8    2 months ago
The 1st Amendment covers their REPORTING the news. 

Trump violated the 1st Amendment when he banned access to the White House that he offers to other news organizations simply because he dislikes the reporting.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @8.3    2 months ago
Trump violated the 1st Amendment when he banned access to the White House

No he didn't.  He banned the access.  He didn't ban them from reporting.

 
 
 
evilone
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8.3.2  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.1    2 months ago
He didn't ban them from reporting.

How can one report on a press conference they aren't able to attend? From Politico this morning (bolding mine) -

The news organizations, represented by Theodore Boutrous Jr . of law firm Gibson Dunn, are filing suit against Trump , chief of staff Susie Wiles , White House Communications Director Steven Cheung and Secret Service Director Sean Curran . The news outlets argue that the president’s ban violates the Constitution in multiple ways: The abrupt cancellation of White House access without notice violated the organizations’ Fifth Amendment due process and property rights, and the retaliation for the content of their reporting violated their First Amendment rights.
 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.3.3  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.1    2 months ago

Strawman!   I did not state that he banned them from reporting.

This has already been legally tested:  

No, the Court simply holds that under the First Amendment, if the Government opens its doors to some journalists—be it to the Oval Office, the East Room, or elsewhere—it cannot then shut those doors to other journalists because of their viewpoints . The Constitution requires no less.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.3.2    2 months ago
How can one report on a press conference they aren't able to attend?

They do it for military operations daily.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @8.3.3    2 months ago
Strawman! 

Blah, blah, blah.

I did not state that he banned them from reporting.

But you did state a 1A violation.  Which is false.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.3.6  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.5    2 months ago
But you did state a 1A violation.  Which is false.  

I showed you case law.   Even when proven wrong, you keep insisting you are right.   Pathetic.

 
 
 
evilone
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8.3.7  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.4    2 months ago
They do it for military operations daily.  

Does that apply to all news outlets, or some news outlets? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @8.3.6    2 months ago
I showed you case law. 

What you didn't show was where they are prevented from reporting.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.3.9  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.8    2 months ago

I made no claim that they cannot report.   My claim is that case law shows that Trump cannot exclude a news organization from a venue where others are allowed merely because he does not like the coverage.

You have nothing but bullshit, so you fall back on strawman arguments.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.3.7    2 months ago
Does that apply to all news outlets, or some news outlets? 

Of course it does.  What fool would thing it didn't?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @8.3.9    2 months ago
I made no claim that they cannot report.

Where.

My claim is that case law shows that Trump cannot exclude a news organization from a venue

Which is not a violation of the 1st Amendment.  Making your statment false.

You have nothing but bullshit, so you fall back on strawman arguments.

Blah, blah, blah.  What I have is an opinion that doesn't agree with yours and you don't like it;  so here we are.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.3.12  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.11    2 months ago

Again, I cited case law.   

Your illogical opinion does not matter.   Case law matters.

This is not my opinion vs. yours, it is case-law vs. your partisan desires and feeble attempts to defend Trump.

Your bullshit, your opinions, your strawman nonsense does not matter.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8.3.13  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.11    2 months ago
Which is not a violation of the 1st Amendment.  Making your statment false.

Put it another way... Lets say trump banned all guns in the USA except for BB-guns. Is that a violation of the second amendment? By your argument, no, it isn't. Guns are still being sold, so the 2nd amendment hasn't been violated. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8.3.14  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.1    2 months ago
He banned the access.

Which is an infringement on the 1st amendment. 

 
 
 
evilone
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8.3.15  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.10    2 months ago
Of course it does.

Of course it does what?

 
 
 
evilone
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8.3.16  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.11    2 months ago
Which is not a violation of the 1st Amendment.

A room full of constitutional lawyers that drafted a pending lawsuit say otherwise. Current case law precedent says otherwise. You have offered nothing to support your opinion.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @8.3.12    2 months ago
Again, I cited case law. 

And again, you didn't show a violation of the 1st Amendment happnened.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.18  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @8.3.13    2 months ago
Put it another way...

Their 1st Amendment Rights have not been violated.  Access to a person or facility is not part of the Amendment no matter how many times you all stomp your feet and cry about it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @8.3.14    2 months ago

Access is not guarenteed under the 1st Amendment.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.20  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.3.15    2 months ago

You really need to keep up.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.21  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.3.16    2 months ago
A room full of constitutional lawyers that drafted a pending lawsuit say otherwise.

And where in the 1st Amendment does it state that bloggers will have 100% access?  

 
 
 
evilone
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8.3.22  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.21    2 months ago

You've been presented with documented evidence and ignore it. This is why no one takes you seriously. You're trolling here now.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.23  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.19    2 months ago
Access is not guarenteed under the 1st Amendment.  

Just repeating the same stupidity doesn't make it true. Perhaps, in your vast constitutional law knowledge, you can show the legal foundation of your option?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.3.24  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.17    2 months ago

This Trumpesque ploy of denying everything - even when you are obviously wrong - only works on stupid people.   Not likely to persuade anyone here.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.3.25  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.3.22    2 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.3.26  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.3.23    2 months ago
Just repeating the same stupidity doesn't make it true.

Yet here you all are.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.3.27  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @8.3.24    2 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.28  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.25    2 months ago
You sure? 

I'm sure. Are you sure?

In 8.3.15 you didn't know what was being talked about.  

I asked you to explain yourself. You can't even do that. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.3.29  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.3.28    2 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.30  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.29    2 months ago
Nothing to explain.  It's plain english.  

As expected you have nothing. Nothing at all... 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
8.3.31  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.11    2 months ago

Government discrimination based on the viewpoint of expression is unconstitutional. Trump explicitly said he was banning them because of what they say when they report on him. That makes it unconstitutional.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.3.32  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @8.3.31    2 months ago

Maybe we need to make the "based on the viewpoint" portion clearer for Trump supporters.

... based on the viewpoint ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.3.33  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.29    2 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.3.34  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8.3.30    2 months ago
As expected you have nothing.

So we're at the same level.[✘]

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.3.35  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @8.3.31    2 months ago
Trump explicitly said he was banning them because of what they say when they report on him.[✘]

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.3.36  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @8.3.32    2 months ago

Did it help? I can't read the responses[✘]

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.3.37  TᵢG  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.3.36    2 months ago

Of course not.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.3.38  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.35    2 months ago
Trump explicitly said he was banning them because of what they say when they report on him.

Yes how dare they report exactly what he says....the NERVE of these people. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.3.39  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.19    2 months ago

What part of FREEDOM are you not getting?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.3.40  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @8.3.39    2 months ago

The FREE part

they hate anything that's free

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.3.41  Trout Giggles  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.3.36    2 months ago

whatever.....some people deserve to be mocked especially when they are trolls....then they make everything about themselves

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.3.42  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @8.3.39    2 months ago

Their freedom to report isn't being infringed.  There is no guarentee for access to facilities or people.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
8.3.43  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.42    2 months ago

Their freedom to report from the Oval office is infringed if they cannot be there.   This should be obvious to anyone.   Getting information secondhand is not the same as firsthand.   Being able to ask their questions is superior to simply reporting on answers to questions asked by others.

This should be obvious.   Good grief, man.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
8.3.44  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.42    2 months ago
There is no guarentee for access to facilities or people.

Except there is. The networks had to submit to a certain process to gain access. That access was taken away without due process, and on the basis of the viewpoint of their speech. Both elements violate the Constitution.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
8.3.45  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @8.3.44    2 months ago
Except there is.

Yeah, I'd agree but then we'd both be wrong.  Press isn't permitted past the foyer of my office building. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
8.3.46  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.45    2 months ago
Press isn't permitted past the foyer of my office building. 

Assume they were. Assume further that it’s a government building. Assume further still that there is a process for gaining access. Now your building decides to revoke that access without any kind of process or appeal and it does so solely on the basis of certain press members saying something you don’t like. That violates the Constitution.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.47  evilone  replied to  Tacos! @8.3.46    2 months ago
That violates the Constitution.

And a Trump appointed judge yesterday ruled in agreement.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8.3.48  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.3.45    2 months ago
my office building. 

So when were you elected to the presidency?

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9  George    2 months ago

Not surprising that so many liberals don't understand the constitution, they try to twist it to say what they want it to say, the sad thing is they vote. please tell me in detail how banning CNN or any other agency violates the constitution? GO

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1  TᵢG  replied to  George @9    2 months ago
Not surprising that so many liberals don't understand the constitution, they try to twist it to say what they want it to say, the sad thing is they vote. please tell me in detail how banning CNN or any other agency violates the constitution? GO

You clearly need to be informed because in this case your understanding of the CotUS is fundamentally flawed.

Let's have federal judge McFadden explain this to you:  

McFadden ☞ No, the court simply holds that under the First Amendment, if the Government opens its doors to some journalists — be it to the Oval Office, the East Room, or elsewhere — it cannot then shut those doors to other journalists because of their viewpoints . The Constitution requires no less.

And for more details, read case law content starting with:  

AP v. Budowich ☞ The district court held that the AP was likely to succeed on the merits of both First Amendment claims. As to viewpoint discrimination, the court determined that the Oval Office and other similar spaces are nonpublic fora and, therefore, the White House may not restrict reporters’ access based on viewpoint . The President and other White House officials candidly stated that the AP’s exclusion turned on its viewpoint—namely, its continued use of the name “Gulf of Mexico” in its Stylebook. The district court concluded that such viewpoint discrimination in a nonpublic forum violates the First Amendment .
 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9.1.1  George  replied to  TᵢG @9.1    2 months ago

Some stupid [removed] [✘] who will be overturned doesn't a Cotus make, until the government tells CNN what to print or not print there is no violation, most 3rd graders know this, but I'm glad to see you can copy and paste another person's views who also managed to pass a bar exam [removed][✘]

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  George @9.1.1    2 months ago

Calm down, George.   You are wrong.   Not the end of the world.

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9.1.3  George  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.2    2 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  George @9.1.3    2 months ago

I delivered case law that is extremely relevant to this issue.   

Your 'rebuttal' was that you think you are right, and then you attempt to diminish the court and McFadden.

A truly pathetic response.   You cite nothing but 'nuh-uh' and other meta nonsense.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
9.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  George @9    2 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
9.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  George @9    2 months ago

tell us you're not a constitutional lawyer without telling us you're not a constitutional lawyer

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.3.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.3    2 months ago

looks like muscular class maga is defending the constitution as well as they can comprehend it ...

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9.3.2  George  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.3    2 months ago

I passed the bar over 30 years ago, so i wouldn't have to take a shitty job like driving a bus or some other menial labor. when did you pass the Arkansas bar? 

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9.3.3  George  replied to  devangelical @9.3.1    2 months ago

i notice you didn't say how this violates the constitution. do you lack the knowledge to do so? how many stations aren't allowed press passes? are their rights also being violated?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. [ 6

There is nothing that abridges their ability to print or report whatever they want, using the retarded arguments posted here, saying no comment is the same as violating their first amendment right. access is a privilege not a right.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.3.4  devangelical  replied to  George @9.3.3    2 months ago

I notice you don't think trump supporters should have to answer direct questions.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.5  TᵢG  replied to  George @9.3.2    2 months ago

The ‘believe me rather than a court because I claim to be an attorney’ is unlikely to influence anyone.   I find it to be a feeble, pathetic response.

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9.3.6  George  replied to  devangelical @9.3.4    2 months ago

I never saw you ask a question, pathetic response

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9.3.7  George  replied to  TᵢG @9.3.5    2 months ago

pathetic deflection, When did trump limit what they could report? and do all News organizations have access to the Whitehouse? if not, is trump also violating their first amendment rights? 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
9.3.8  evilone  replied to  George @9.3.7    2 months ago

The government can't pull access because Trump feelings got hurt. As a lawyer surely you should know that. Taking away access without due process is an unconstitutional restriction of the press to report on the government. It was wrong when Nixon did it. It was wrong when Obama tried to do it and it's still wrong now.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.9  TᵢG  replied to  George @9.3.7    2 months ago

Always defending Trump no matter what.   WTF drives people like you to defend this psychopath?  

Your refusal to deal with legal reality would be funny if this were not a serious matter.   

When did trump limit what they could report?

Strawman.   Where do you see me stating that this is a ban on reporting?   If you are going to attempt to debate me, then at least make an attempt to address what I wrote.   If all you can do is make up an argument I did not make (although I could argue this), then you illustrate yet again that you have nothing.

and do all News organizations have access to the Whitehouse?

This shows that you either do not understand—or refuse to acknowledge—the core First Amendment principle at issue here: the government cannot exclude organizations merely because it dislikes their viewpoint .

You ignore extremely relevant case law, do not seem to recognize the problem with a ban based on viewpoint , and dismiss the cogent opinion of an engaged judge on the matter.    I have made this crystal clear, yet you ignore this key legal principle!

V I E W P O I N T        Here, maybe a picture will help:

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And here is one of many legal reports on this matter.   Very straightforward:

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
9.3.10  MrFrost  replied to  George @9.3.2    2 months ago
shitty job like driving a bus

It pays a lot more than you probably realize. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.11  TᵢG  replied to  George @9.3.7    2 months ago

And recently we have Fox News voluntarily joining the refusal to provide pool coverage of Trump:  

"Effective today, the TV pool will not be covering events designated as pool coverage of the President," Fox News Washington Bureau Chief Bryan Boughton, who serves as pool chair, said in a memo that was obtained by NPR. "There will be no replacement pool put in place."

Seems like most everyone understands that this ban is unconstitutional ... even Fox News will not go along with Trump on this one.   

But you think you know better ...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.12  TᵢG  replied to  George @9.3.2    2 months ago
I passed the bar over 30 years ago ...

Claims do not establish credibility; the content does.  You passing the bar thirty years ago—as you merely claim†—is irrelevant.  What matters is whether your analysis is accurate.  State your propositions, support them with relevant factual evidence, construct a sound argument from those propositions, and show that the argument supports your conclusion.

Best I can tell, you refuse to do that.   Seems to me that your claims and questions reveal a misunderstanding of the legal issues involved in this situation.

†  Claiming to have passed the bar—or to be an attorney, or even a constitutional attorney—can reasonably be accepted at face value until evidence suggests otherwise.  There are two (at least) attorneys in this forum that have demonstrated persuasive knowledge and expertise through content, not mere claims.  In your case, the substance of your analysis gives me reason to doubt your claim, or at least to doubt that it reflects meaningful expertise/knowledge.

More precisely, passing the bar does not by itself mean one is a practicing attorney, much less a competent one.  Expertise is better demonstrated through accurate analysis, sound reasoning, and command of the relevant law than through unsupported assertions of credentials, especially when undermined by faulty content.

Yes, this is my opinion; I am speaking for myself and do not claim to know your background.  In short, I am explaining why I do not buy your claim of legal expertise / knowledge.

As the group Rush would offer:

Here is the key underlying the legal question:   the government cannot exclude organizations merely because it dislikes their viewpoint .

Now show me, citing case law, where this is wrong.   Show me, show us, how Trump is going to win the lawsuit filed against him for this ban.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.13  TᵢG  replied to  George @9.3.3    2 months ago
There is nothing that abridges their ability to print or report whatever they want ...

Sure, they can still publish whatever information they can glean from outside the White House.

But that is not the issue, and it is not what the lawsuit claims.   The lawsuit challenges Trump’s decision to revoke their White House access because he objects to their reporting. 

Why do you refuse to deal with the facts and legal claims in the case?  Why do you instead focus on whether the organizations remain capable of publishing at all? 

(rhetorical: It is obvious why you focus on a strawman.)

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
9.3.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  George @9.3.2    2 months ago
shitty job like driving a bus

what an elitist attitude!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
9.3.15  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  George @9.3.2    2 months ago
I passed the bar over 30 years ago, so i wouldn't have to take a shitty job like driving a bus or some other menial labor. when did you pass the Arkansas bar? 

I was about to say "In which country?" but then when you said Arkansas where my brain-dead bigot MAGA cousins live and it made some sense. That's a state of being that set's 'the bar' as low as it can go. But seriously, your comment about liberals not understanding the constitution is hilarious for being so fucking wrong. And thankfully Amer4ica will right this ship by absolutely fucking destroying the Republican party and Trumpism this coming November. I am going to enjoy the years of trials and investigations into all the criminals acts of this feckless unconstitutional grifting convicted felon some dipshits decided to saddle our nation with, and I am hopeful that the truth will out and the traitors to our nation will be held accountable.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
9.3.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.3.15    2 months ago

Arkansas is not that bad. It's got lots of good people.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.3.17  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.3.16    2 months ago

[..][✘]

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9.3.18  George  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.3.15    2 months ago

Arkansas is where trout is chiming in from, 

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9.3.19  George  replied to  devangelical @9.3.17    2 months ago

[✘]

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
9.3.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  George @9.3.18    2 months ago

you noticed!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
9.3.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @9.3.17    2 months ago

Jesus! What now?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.3.22  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.3.21    2 months ago

go figure ...

 
 
 
RU4Real
Freshman Silent
9.3.23  RU4Real  replied to  TᵢG @9.3.11    2 months ago

Late to the party, sorry, but do you or anyone else on this forum think Fox News Media joined solely because it's the right thing to do / solidarity for when O's administration tried to do it to them, fear it'll happen to them if/when a Dem gets into office, or a combination?

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
9.3.24  Freewill  replied to  RU4Real @9.3.23    2 months ago

I think it's a combo....with large fries. I don't think Trump will get away with it this time, sure hope not.  These sorts of precedents seem to grow like a cancer.  Examples are the growing number of executive orders from one administration to the next, the pre-pardoning of friends and investigations/prosecutions of enemies, and of course the blatant gerrymandering.  All at the taxpayer's legal expense.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.25  TᵢG  replied to  RU4Real @9.3.23    2 months ago

Yes, I think Fox News did this based on a longer-term perspective.   Trump is gone in two years.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.3.26  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @9.3.25    2 months ago

FOX is moving to a more moderate right of center position for self preservation, since they have another billion dollar settlement coming due in the near future ...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.3.27  TᵢG  replied to  devangelical @9.3.26    2 months ago

They should have recognized Trump was a disaster years ago.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.3.28  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @9.3.27    one month ago

rupert and lachlan murdoch should've disappeared years ago ...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Participates
10  Hal A. Lujah    2 months ago

In the list of 100 most useful distractions from being in a child prostitution operation with his dear friend Jeffrey Epstein, this one ranks pretty high.  Take a deep breath everyone, it’s just another troll designed to infuriate you.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
11  Sean Treacy    2 months ago

t another troll designed to infuriate you

following 

istractions from being in a child prostitution operation with his dear friend Jeffrey Epstein

Lol...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Participates
11.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sean Treacy @11    2 months ago

You’re welcome.  The heavily guarded truth is obviously very sensitive, so we’ll just have to wait for it to be revealed by a less servile government.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
12  Gsquared    2 months ago

At the U.N. today the fascist wannabe dictator Trump told Kaitlan Collins of CNN:  "You shouldn't be here."

Responding to a question about the war in Iran, Trump tells CNN's Kaitlan Collins she should not be covering him at the UN General Assembly.

No doubt he would have her arrested and jailed if he thought he could get away with it.

So much for the reactionaries idiotic defense of the sick fuck.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
12.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gsquared @12    2 months ago

He really does think he controls the world. He only banned her from the White House not the entire country

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.2  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @12    2 months ago

maga forgets the 2nd guarantees the 1st ...

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
12.2.1  charger 383  replied to  devangelical @12.2    2 months ago

One of the many benefits of the Second Amendment 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.2.2  devangelical  replied to  charger 383 @12.2.1    2 months ago

which is why I encourage trump and his sycophants to keep attacking the 1st, along with the 4th and the 10th ...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
12.2.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  devangelical @12.2    2 months ago
maga forgets the 2nd guarantees the 1st ...

I'm sure conservatives will be happy to know that their choice of a convicted felon President is making millions of patriotic Americans on the left appreciate their second amendment rights more. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.2.4  devangelical  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.2.3    2 months ago

I'm ready to rock and roll ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
12.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gsquared @12    2 months ago
At the U.N. today the fascist wannabe dictator Trump told Kaitlan Collins of CNN: "You shouldn't be here."

They hypocrites did say there weren't going to cover him. Yet they were there...covering him. And got called out on it.

It's no wonder people don't take them seriously.

No doubt he would have her arrested and jailed if he thought he could get away with it.

[deleted][✘]

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
12.3.1  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.3    2 months ago
They hypocrites did say there weren't going to cover him. 

No, they said they pulled the tv pool. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
12.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @12.3.1    2 months ago

Either way, they covered him and were called out. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
12.3.3  evilone  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.3.2    2 months ago
Either way, they covered him and were called out. 

They didn't say they were not covering him. They said they were pulling the tv equipment they share to a pool for white house coverage. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
12.3.4  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.3    2 months ago
They hypocrites did say there weren't going to cover him.

The whole point of suing to get back their presses is so they can cover him.

 
 

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