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Inside House Dems' 11th-hour plot to sabotage Trump's agenda

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  vic-eldred  •  4 weeks ago  •  87 comments

By:    Andrew Solender

Inside House Dems' 11th-hour plot to sabotage Trump's agenda

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


House Democrats are strategizing ways to put a damper on the  Trump administration 's sweeping plans while their party still retains some control in Washington, Axios has learned.

Why it matters:  Many Democrats fear that  full GOP control of Congress  – an increasingly likely prospect – will allow Trump to roll back many of the gains they made under the Biden administration.

  • House Minority Leader  Hakeem Jeffries  (D-N.Y.) is already telling allies how he is preparing to lead the resistance to Trump, Axios' Hans Nichols reported.
  • "We as Democrats have to roll up our sleeves and get into defense and protection mode," Rep. Delia Ramirez (D-Ill.) told Axios.
  • Said outgoing Congressional Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.): "A lot of things can be undone, but it can take longer to undo them and it will force a priority from them on what they want to focus on."

What we're hearing:  The talks mainly involve members of the Progressive, Black, Hispanic, Asian Pacific American and Equality caucuses, according to multiple lawmakers engaged in the discussions.

  • Ramirez said the conversations center on figuring out "what are the things [where] we have any powers to protect the communities that we know will be most harmed as a result of a Donald Trump election."
  • Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) confirmed to Axios "there are conversations that are taking place where people are tying to figure out if there are some steps that can be taken that can reduce the damage."
  • Hispanic Caucus Chair Nanette Barragan (D-Calif.), in a statement, pointed to  immigration policy  as a key focus, noting Republicans "have promised mass deportations. The president-elect has even admitted that women and children could get caught up in these operations."

Zoom in:  Jayapal said one plan is to propose a raft of executive orders President Biden could issue to "protect existing structures," such as shielding career civil servants and Justice Department officials.

  • She also said lawmakers are working on getting funds from the  Inflation Reduction Act bipartisan infrastructure law , and  CHIPS Act  "out the door as quickly as possible."
  • Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas), Jayapal's likely successor as CPC chair, said lawmakers want to ensure those funds "start creating jobs before Trump finds some way to just send that money to his friends."
  • Democrats also plan to lean on the Biden administration to fast-track citizenship and residency paperwork for immigrants, Casar said.

They are also trying to come up with messaging strategies to bolster Biden's legacy, said Rep. Sydney Kamlager-Dove (D-Calif.): "Trump is going to inherit a good economy ... [we want to] help educate people about that reality."

Reality check:  Biden's executive orders have often  run into trouble  in conservative-dominated federal courts, and Democrats are limited in what they can do legislatively during the lame duck session due to GOP control of the House.

  • Some Democrats are also sensitive to the perception that they are adopting the tactics of  Republican   state legislators  who used their supermajorities to kneecap incoming Democratic governors.
  • "We're trying to show how the United States is supposed to conduct itself every four years when a new person takes over the reins of government," said Cleaver.
  • "I do think that's important. I want the American public to see, if they've forgotten, just how things are supposed to be ... I know that Biden doesn't want to step over the line."

What's next:  Several lawmakers told Axios that the caucuses spearheading this brainstorming are set meet on the subject this week as the House returns to session.

  • "In anticipation of [Trump's] actions, CHC will meet to discuss how best we can protect our communities and hold the incoming administration accountable," said Barragan.
  • Ramirez told Axios: "CHC, CPC and others are going to have a lot of meetings next week to discuss what we end up prioritizing and how much of that can we take to the Dem caucus to ask that they prioritize."


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

They once again will resist!

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

SCOTUS has given full immunity to the sitting POTUS to protect and defend america, and now that attempts to overthrow democracy are legal ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @1.1    3 weeks ago
SCOTUS has given full immunity to the sitting POTUS to protect and defend america

No they didn't.  Try reading the decision instead of relying on what you've been told.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago
They once again will resist!

As republicans did, and still do, whenever democrats take control of the House, Senate, or presidency.  This article is nothing but a big hypocritical DUH.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    4 weeks ago

What democrats did have no equal.

Let us begin with the Russia-hoax.

Any smug answers to that?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.2  devangelical  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    4 weeks ago

oh no, the obstructionist party is having a meltdown about the possibility of being obstructed ... /s

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    4 weeks ago
Let us begin with the Russia-hoax.

You just won't give up.  The Russian collusion as confirmed by the Mueller report , republican investigation , and Trump's own mouth ?

Any smug answers to that?

Do you get a kick back for every time you claim it is a hoax?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.3    4 weeks ago
The Russian collusion as confirmed by the Mueller report

Cool.  Right after you prove that Trump was stopped from arresting Hillary by his AG, you can show us who Mueller arrested and charged with colluding with the russians to interfere in the 2016 election. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.4    4 weeks ago
Right after you prove that Trump was stopped from arresting Hillary by his AG

Try to keep up.  Already did that on the other comment thread.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.3    4 weeks ago

Durham slammed the FBI’s investigation – dubbed Crossfire Hurricane – into the Trump campaign for its “serious lack of analytic rigor” and a “cavalier attitude” for accuracy. 

“...We conclude that the Department and the FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law in connection with certain events and activities described in this report,” Durham wrote.

For its part, the FBI does not dispute the report’s findings, but says it has already taken action and added safeguards in its investigations.

Durham also called out the role of the ( now-discredited ) Steele dossier, the opposition research gathered for the Hillary Clinton campaign that was in turn given to the FBI. Durham said the dossier was “unvetted and unverified,” yet was used as justification for surveillance. 

“Indeed, based on the evidence gathered in multiple exhaustive and costly federal investigations of these matters, including the instant investigation, neither U.S. law enforcement nor the Intelligence Community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation," the report stated.

The political implications are clear, and the report highlights the favoritism shown to the Clinton campaign over Trump’s. 

Give Biden family the Trump treatment

As Durham details, the FBI fumbled the “collusion” investigation. But mainstream media outlets also deserve blame for  breathlessly going along  with the  Trump-Russia allegations

The willingness to report negative rumors about Trump is in direct contrast to how the news media have protected President Joe Biden and his family.

For example, when the New York Post  broke the Hunter Biden laptop story  in October 2020, ahead of the presidential election, the rest of the  media pretty much ignored it . Twitter even suspended the Post’s account for sharing its news reports. Emails from the laptop indicated Hunter Biden had used his dad’s position as vice president for his personal gain. 

The story was slammed  by Democrats and the media  as  Russian “disinformation .” 

Nearly two years later, however, news organizations outside the right-leaning press  finally admitted that the substance of the laptop story was real .

Media should give Biden 'Trump treatment' during GOP investigation


And to call it a "Republican" investigation is really farcical. The only Republican on the team was the cognitive mess who lent his name to it.


Do you get a kick back for every time you claim it is a hoax?

Not from the majority of human beings living in a fact-based universe. It only seems to be our very hardcore group of radicals who still believe that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.6    3 weeks ago
Durham slammed the FBI’s investigation

Durham's investigation was an unmitigated partisan failure, but he is the only one you can find to dispute it?

Not from the majority of human beings living in a fact-based universe

Human beings living in a fact-based universe?  So non-MAGA.

It only seems to be our very hardcore group of radicals who still believe that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election.

So, I see you are ignoring all the investigations proving otherwise, and calling Trump himself a liar.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

I love seeing the and frantic and hysterical actions by the scorned and rejected left wingers.

They won't be able to get much done in the remaining few weeks that won't get reversed by the trifecta of a Republican President and Congress.

If they don't wake up and learn to live with and to cooperate with the Republicans, they will have little if any power for long time to come.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.3.1  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    4 weeks ago
I love seeing the and frantic and hysterical actions by the scorned and rejected left wingers.

That's nice. It's exhausing always pointing out how these mountains are really molehills. 

They won't be able to get much done in the remaining few weeks that won't get reversed by the trifecta of a Republican President and Congress.

All they are trying to do is spend the money already allocated for laws they have already passed.

If they don't wake up and learn to live with and to cooperate with the Republicans, they will have little if any power for long time to come.

Sure not working across the isle is only a Dem thing. /s

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    3 weeks ago
I love seeing the and frantic and hysterical actions by the scorned and rejected left wingers.

I have to agree with their being scared  S/

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.3.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    3 weeks ago
I love seeing the and frantic and hysterical actions by the scorned and rejected left wingers.

It is hilarious

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.4  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.3.3    3 weeks ago

I saw a video of a guitar accompanying the woman on the left as she was having her meltdown.

Freaking hilarious.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.4  Jack_TX  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago
They once again will resist!

That's their job.  That's why they were elected.

We will all be better off if they are moderately but not overly successful.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jack_TX @1.4    4 weeks ago
That's their job. 

To obstruct a mandate?

They can represent their constituents without doing the things they did during the first Trump term.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.4.2  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.1    4 weeks ago

winning an election by 2.5% of the vote isn't a mandate. trump barely won more votes than the popular vote that hilary beat him by in 2016, while still losing the election to him ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.3  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @1.4.2    3 weeks ago

They call it a mandate because right wing media and social media tells them to. 

When its all said and done Trump will probably not have even 51% of the vote. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.4.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.3    3 weeks ago

You're correct. Only 50.2%

Close enough for horseshoes and hand grenade fights.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.4.5  Jack_TX  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.1    3 weeks ago
To obstruct a mandate?

Absolutely.  That's how checks and balances work.  That's how representative governments work.

Although I think it's incorrect to interpret the election results as a pro Trump mandate. 

What we saw was the rejection an exceedingly poor candidate who could not articulate her policies, couldn't answer basic questions and couldn't do remedial math.  With even a minimal level of competence, she could have won easily.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.4.6  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.4.2    3 weeks ago

You leftists have been harping that no Republican has won the popular vote in a couple of decades, so when they finally did, that is considered a mandate, no matter by how much.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2  Just Jim NC TttH    4 weeks ago

And so it begins..........again.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    4 weeks ago

They may even try to fastrack citizenship for any they can

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago

It still won't take effect until after Inauguration Day.  Seriously doubt it will affect cleaning out the illegals.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 weeks ago
They may even try to fastrack citizenship for any they can

They can try to speed up the process, but they still have to go through the process. My issue with the immigration system is there are not enough people (lawyers and judges) to speed up the process. It should take weeks to determine status not years. Then we wouldn't have 11m illegals roaming around the US, they would be processed and determined legal or deported. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

They are wondering about the cost of that all of a sudden. They never asked the cost of anything but now they ask the cost of it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
It should take weeks to determine status not years.

The system is overwhelmed,

Whose fault is that?

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.5  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    4 weeks ago
Whose fault is that?

Congress. All of them for the last 20 years.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @2.1.5    4 weeks ago

Nope.

The democrats get every bit of the blame. Joe Biden's 4 years of trying to change the voters & the demographics was historic.

I'm hoping it can be undone.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    4 weeks ago

Because they cost would mean a cut in their little idiotic pet projects.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    4 weeks ago
Nope.The democrats get every bit of the blame.

Sorry, but who blocked the bill, that was written by a republican, that would have put in more judges to fast track the process?????

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
not enough people (lawyers and judges) to speed up the process.

How about starting with getting them in the country LEGALLY.  

Then we wouldn't have 11m illegals roaming around the US, they would be processed and determined legal or deported. 

That's all on the Biden / Democrat open border policies.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.8    4 weeks ago
the bill

The bill?

The one that appeared 3 years after maybe 20 million were let in and every obstacle removed?

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.11  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    4 weeks ago
The democrats get every bit of the blame.

Riiiggghhhtttt... It's not like the Reps ever had all control of any branch of the government in 20 years. Nor wrote immigration bills that they then end up voting against either. 

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.12  evilone  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.8    4 weeks ago

They don't want to fast track the process. It's all about enraging the voters to get them to the polls. It will be fun to see Trump fail at his deportation plan. Of course that will also be the Dem's fault.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @2.1.11    4 weeks ago
r wrote immigration bills that they then end up voting against either. 

When did that happen?

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.14  bugsy  replied to  evilone @2.1.12    4 weeks ago
It will be fun to see Trump fail at his deportation plan.

Are you cheering for failure to deport violent criminals in this country?

He and Holman have said they are the first priority.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

Of course, all their failures end up being the fault of the Democrats somehow.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.16  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
How about starting with getting them in the country LEGALLY.

No no no....

To many leftists, that is crazy talk. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.8    4 weeks ago
the bill

Are you referring to the bill that sent more money to Ukraine than it set aside to secure the border?

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.18  evilone  replied to  bugsy @2.1.14    4 weeks ago
Are you cheering for failure to deport violent criminals in this country?

Nice try, but no.

He and Holman have said they are the first priority.

Good luck with that.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.19  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @2.1.14    4 weeks ago

If trump wants it the left doesn't.  It is as simple as that. Doesn't matter what it is 

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.20  evilone  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.15    4 weeks ago

Or they will deport a bunch in the first months and call it a success until the Dems get back into office and only then will it be a problem again.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.21  bugsy  replied to  evilone @2.1.18    4 weeks ago
Good luck with that.

What would your reply be if they were very successful?

Will you be sad?

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.22  evilone  replied to  bugsy @2.1.21    4 weeks ago
What would your reply be if they were very successful?

Please share what success looks like under Trump's plan?

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.23  devangelical  replied to  evilone @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

becoming victims of the "rule by the minority" ideology they pioneered probably won't sit very well with them ... bummer ...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.24  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.10    4 weeks ago

The one that appeared 3 years after maybe 20 million were let in and every obstacle removed?

Correct, the bill that took republicans more than 3 years to write after refusing to write one under Obama.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.25  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.17    4 weeks ago

Are you referring to the bill that sent more money to Ukraine than it set aside to secure the border?

Nope.  The one that sent more money to American companies to build weapons for Ukraine.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.26  bugsy  replied to  evilone @2.1.22    4 weeks ago

I don't have time to get into details but in a nutshell...

The exact opposite of the shit show we are experiencing now. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.27  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    4 weeks ago
The system is overwhelmed,

Whose fault is that?

The federal government, specifically the congresses since the 80's.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.28  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @2.1.27    4 weeks ago

Obviously, it was those who invited this.

Do you really want 74 million American citizens to decide elections?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.29  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.24    4 weeks ago
the bill that took republicans more than 3 years to write

There were only 3 Republicans involved with it. It was hardly a Republican bill, and it never made it to a vote because so many objected to the hidden details.

It did make for some interesting shit that stuck during the campaign.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.30  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.25    4 weeks ago

So it was a bill that didn't benefit the US.  And you question why it was not passed.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.31  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @2.1.2    4 weeks ago
"Then we wouldn't have 11m illegals roaming around the US, they would be processed and determined legal or deported." 

So you agree that the Biden administration allowed that many illegals into the US

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1.32  evilone  replied to  bugsy @2.1.26    4 weeks ago
I don't have time to get into details...

The devil is in the details, but to you success is whatever you say it is... Pretty much what I expected.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.33  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.29    3 weeks ago
There were only 3 Republicans involved with it. It was hardly a Republican bill

Who is the author of the bill?  How many republicans voted for it in the Senate?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.34  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.30    3 weeks ago
And you question why it was not passed.

No I don't, it didn't pass because Trump told the House not to pass it.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.35  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.34    3 weeks ago
because Trump

And there it is.  The obligatory nonsense indicating you really don't have an argument.

 
 
 
George
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2.1.36  George  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.34    3 weeks ago

no, it didn't pass because it was a piece of shit bill

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.38  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.37    3 weeks ago
In MAGA

And that solidified you have nothing.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.39  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.8    3 weeks ago
but who blocked the bill

Can you explain how a private citizen, that does not donate to them to get pet projects done, can tell Congress how to vote

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.40  bugsy  replied to  evilone @2.1.32    3 weeks ago
success is whatever you say it is.

I say success is what is good for the country, even to the whiny little bitch leftists who think resistance and climate change are religions.

That is the exact opposite of Biden policies.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.41  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.35    3 weeks ago
The obligatory nonsense indicating you really don't have an argument.

They can't explain how a private citizen that does not give money to campaigns can tell Congress how to vote.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.42  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @2.1.41    3 weeks ago

It's an automatic go to excuse when they have absolutely NOTHING to back up their claims.  They start with that and 1.3.3 is all I consider them as.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.43  Ozzwald  replied to  bugsy @2.1.39    3 weeks ago
Can you explain how a private citizen, that does not donate to them to get pet projects done, can tell Congress how to vote

Are you seriously suggesting that Trump does not have the pull with republican lawmakers?  They still went to Mar-a-Lago to kneel at his feet AFTER he lost the election, which most of them refused to acknowledge.

 
 
 
evilone
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2.2  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    4 weeks ago

So what's the big deal? All I see is Dems pushing through what they got passed before Reps take it away. This isn't a new idea and both parties have done it often enough. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.1  devangelical  replied to  evilone @2.2    4 weeks ago

it seems like the last 2 months of an electoral change is only when any congressional work gets done ...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3  Right Down the Center    4 weeks ago

The ultimate TDS.  They would rather see the country go down the toilet than Trump succeed.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @3    4 weeks ago

He has beaten them at their own game - TWICE.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1    4 weeks ago

there's only one thing that criminal/traitor has ever beat in his life ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
criminal/traitor

I'm talking about Trump. Who are you talking about?

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

trump, the criminal/traitor elect, the maga lord and savior, the clown prince of western fascism ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

2 Questions: 

  1. When was the sentencing phase of the trial?  (or don't you know NY State requires sentencing to be carried out for it to be considered a "conviction"?)
  2. When was he tried for treason?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

Given you lack of answers to the questions in 3.1.4 (not that I'm surprised), it's safe to say you are still running on nothing but opinion and hurt feelings.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.5    4 weeks ago

my opinion is that no american is above the law and should be held accountable for breaking it. my feelings are that he may realize later that accountability by the judicial system may be preferable to a future price he could pay.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @3.1.6    4 weeks ago
my opinion is that no american is above the law and should be held accountable for breaking it.

So your "opinion".  While I agree with you on that part, there have been over 8 years of investigations and the best that the partisan hacks could scrape up was a the James case that was shredded in the appeals courts and Jack Smith's hypocritical classified materials case where his team mishandled classified material / evidence that he's stepping away from.  Oh and we can't forget the Merchan case that will more than likely be tossed because he won't go through with the sentencing phase (negating a "conviction").

Not to mention that nobody has been charged with "Treason".  Looks like your criminal/traitor claim is nothing but hurt feelings and lacking any factual backing.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.8  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.7    4 weeks ago

your faulty reasoning and logic suggests that since SCOTUS has given trump immunity and the DOJ won't prosecute a sitting president or president elect, trump is innocent of all crimes and indictments...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
3.1.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @3.1.8    3 weeks ago

I never mentioned the SCOTUS immunity decision.  Trump wasn't a sitting POTUS for 4 years.  What happened then?  Oh, that's right, partisan nonsense I mentioned.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
4  Jeremy Retired in NC    4 weeks ago

They are playing the "what if" game with their hair on fire.  A lot of their "gains" have been utter failures and need to be rolled back.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
5  Nerm_L    4 weeks ago

Okay, I have to ask.  What are these Congressional Democrats trying to protect?  (Other than their own asses.)  What has Biden and Democrats done over the last four years that needs protecting?

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
6  freepress    4 weeks ago

Presidential immunity, so hoping Dems give it a go and we can see how it works. After Republicans fought to keep the filibuster, just watch as they cackle getting rid of it on day one.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1  devangelical  replied to  freepress @6    4 weeks ago

the parade of lopsided government hypocrisy by maga republicans will likely continue. the immunity of trump's sycophants to self awareness, traditional american values, and constitutional ideals of justice are endless ...

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
6.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @6.1    3 weeks ago
traditional american values, and constitutional ideals 

You mean values like the sanctity of life, like self sufficiency? Do you mean constitutional ideals  like freedom of speech, freedom of peaceful assembly, freedom of religion, the freedom of self defense or the freedom to keep and bare arms?  Those are things that the left dislike and would like to see ended. 

 
 
 
The Chad
Freshman Guide
7  The Chad    3 weeks ago

Their ultimate goal is to get hordes of cat ladies to protest.

Unfortunately their size is all sold out!

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