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Democracy in Action

  

Category:  News & Politics

By:  bob-nelson  •  4 weeks ago  •  120 comments

Democracy in Action



Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…

-- Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947


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I've read many post-mortems since the election, including those here on NT's Front Page. Here are two others that are worth reading:

  Maureen Dowd, venomous as always: Democrats and the Case of Mistaken Identity Politics

  Amanda Taub's imagery is clever: America’s Wobbly Democracy

But... I haven't seen what I think is the simple truth.






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A significant part of Americans want a fascist dictatorship.

Another significant part doesn't mind having a fascist dictatorship. Together, the two groups have elected one of theirs.

It seems to me that probably most people in both these groups don't really understand what a fascist dictatorship will be. But of course... not understanding something in no way prevents wanting it.

We see representatives of both these groups here on NT. It's hard to distinguish between them. MAGAs in the real world have become pretty open about what they want... but here in a "civilized" forum, it would be frowned on to scream "Hang the niggers!" So we see charming circumlocutions. 

Flowery speech doesn't matter. The Republican American Fascist Party has the Presidency, the Supreme Court, and both Houses of Congress. The President-elect has clearly stated that his supporters will never have to vote again, and the American Fascist Party has in hand all the levers of power he needs to make that true.

We watched the fall of the Soviet Empire, and now we will watch the end of democracy in America. This is nothing new: all previous democracies have eventually fallen to demagogues elected by the people.


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JohnRussell
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1  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

I dont think Trump voters want a fascist dictatorship , they want "their" country back , and are willing to let Trump be Trump in order to achieve that. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

I will enjoy watching them squirm when they find out just how integral those who they voted to deport are to the way of life they enjoyed in “their” country.  I predict we will spend unfathomable amounts of money deporting people who we will end up encouraging to come back.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.2  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago
I dont think Trump voters want a fascist dictatorship

That's true for those who "don't mind having a fascist dictatorship". 

But as I said, their understanding of what they have done does not matter. They have done it... and I can see no way to undo it.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

It'd be great if progressives stopped making the category error of conflating populism with fascism. 

A good hint. If you are fighting against regulation of speech, you aren't a fascist. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    4 weeks ago
It'd be great if progressives stopped making the category error of conflating populism with fascism.

"Populism", real or fake, has been a constant component of every fascist movement.

If you are fighting against regulation of speech, you aren't a fascist.

This isn't a circumlocution. It's a different kind of sleight of hand. It sounds true... but in fact doesn't mean anything at all.  It's a derailing tool.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1    4 weeks ago
It's a different kind of sleight of hand. It sounds true... but in fact doesn't mean anything at all.  

Yeah, if there's one thing fascist regimes are known for, it's a commitment to free speech. You got me.

When you, and others with your views, are prohibited from spreading all the latest anti-trump  conspiracies and calling him every name in the book, you can start talking  about fascism.    

Flip:  Trump is controlled by anarcho capitalists!

Flop:  Trump's restoring fascism!

It's amusing to watch people utterly butcher terms. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.2  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

I never know, when chatting with a MAGA, whether they understand the logical fallacies they use so blithely. "Intelligence" probably has little to do with it.

We are all very capable of inventing arguments that defend what we want to defend... without worrying too much about their validity.

We've known each other for a long time. I know you at least a bit. Your skill at misdirection is... skillful... jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

Derailing is probably an unconscious reflex. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.3  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

C'mon Sean... You don't have to dissemble any more!

You won. You can be open! You can say what you really mean. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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3.1.4  Drakkonis  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
It's amusing to watch people utterly butcher terms.

"He who controls the language controls the masses" Saul Alinsky. 

That's why the left keeps trying to redefine the meaning of words. If you can control that you can control how people think. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.5  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

Frank Luntz

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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3.1.6  Drakkonis  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.2    4 weeks ago
Derailing is probably an unconscious reflex.

Even if that were true, it is nowhere near as bad as ad hominem attacks, which are used by those who can't actually speak to the issue due to a lack of a coherent argument. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.7  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.6    4 weeks ago

Don't worry. He knows how to do that, too.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
3.1.8  Drakkonis  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.7    4 weeks ago

Ah, I see. It has been so long since I engaged with you, I had forgotten how you participate. Noted. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

Trump knows the best words. He has told us so. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
Flip:  Trump is controlled by anarcho capitalists! Flop:  Trump's restoring fascism!

I dont think so. A simple case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.11  Sparty On  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

It depends on what the definition of “is” is.

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.10    4 weeks ago

He's putin's little idiot and puppet.  Always has been.  I mean look at all the calls (that we know of) since he was 'president' and the failed insurrection he incited.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.13  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.12    4 weeks ago
failed insurrection he incited.

Which one was that and who was charged with inciting an insurrection?

 
 
 
CB
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3.1.14  CB  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

That is why the right rushes to mock. People feel 'touched' and spotlighted.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.15  MrFrost  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

That's why the left keeps trying to redefine the meaning of words. If you can control that you can control how people think. 

Here, let's make it simple then...

Fascism   ( / ˈ f æ ʃ ɪ z əm /   FASH -iz-əm ) is a   far-right ,   authoritarian , and   ultranationalist   political ideology and movement, [ 1 ] [ 2 ] [ 3 ]   characterized by a   dictatorial   leader, centralized   autocracy ,   militarism , forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural   social hierarchy , subordination of   individual interests   for the perceived good of the   nation   or   race , and strong regimentation of society and the economy. [ 2 ] [ 3 ]   Opposed to   anarchism ,   democracy ,   pluralism ,   egalitarianism ,   liberalism ,   socialism , and   Marxism , [ 4 ] [ 5 ]   fascism is at the far right of the traditional   left–right spectrum . [ 6 ] [ 5 ] [ 7 ]

Fascism rose to prominence in early-20th-century Europe. [ 6 ] [ 8 ]   The first fascist movements   emerged in Italy   during   World War I , before   spreading to other European countries , most notably   Germany . [ 6 ]   Fascism also had adherents outside of   Europe . [ 9 ]   Fascists saw World War I as a   revolution   that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of   total war   and the mass mobilization of society erased the distinction between civilians and combatants. A military citizenship arose, in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner. [ 10 ]   The war resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines, providing logistics to support them, and having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens. [ 10 ]

Fascism rejects the view that violence is inherently negative or pointless but rather views   imperialism ,   political violence , and war as means to national rejuvenation. [ 11 ] [ 12 ]   Fascists often advocate for the establishment of a totalitarian   one-party state , [ 13 ] [ 14 ]   and for a   dirigiste   economy (a market economy in which the state plays a strong directive role through   economic interventionist   policies), with the principal goal of achieving   autarky   (national economic self-sufficiency). [ 15 ] [ 16 ]   Fascism's extreme authoritarianism and nationalism often manifest as a belief in   racial purity   or a   master race , usually blended with some variant of   racism   or   discrimination   against a demonized " Other ", such as   Jews ,   homosexuals ,   ethnic minorities , or   immigrants . These ideas have motivated fascist regimes to commit   massacres ,   forced sterilizations ,   deportations , and   genocides . [ 17 ]   During   World War II , the genocidal and imperialist ambitions of the fascist   Axis powers   resulted in the murder of millions of people.

Since the end of World War II in 1945, fascism has been largely disgraced, and few parties have openly described themselves as   fascist ; the term is often used   pejoratively   by political opponents. The descriptions   neo-fascist   or   post-fascist   are sometimes applied to contemporary parties with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th-century fascist movements. [ 6 ] [ 18 ]   Some opposition groups have adopted the label   anti-fascist   (often shortened to   antifa ) to signify their stance. [ 19 ]

People like Kim Jon Un, Victor Orban and Vladamir Putin come to mind. All of which trump is not just fans of, but friends with. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
3.1.16  Drakkonis  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.15    4 weeks ago
Here, let's make it simple then..

Um, thanks for proving my point, I guess???

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
3.1.17  Drakkonis  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.15    4 weeks ago
People like Kim Jon Un

Definitely a fascist, as I understand the term.

Victor Orban

Don't have a clue who this guy is.

Vladamir Putin

Not even close to a fascist, as far as I can see. Much closer to an Oligarch. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.18  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.15    4 weeks ago
Here, let's make it simple then...

Good post.

It's so clear, limpid. Trump AND THE WHOLE F***ING REPUBLICAN PARTY are dedicated to every item in that definition. 

I don't understand why the Usual Suspects continue to obfuscate. They have won. They can be Kyle Rittenhouse whenever they please. 

Maybe it's just habit. They've been dissembling for so long that it has become automatic.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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3.1.19  Drakkonis  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.18    4 weeks ago

I can only assume that for you, fascism is defined as an insistence on something called objective reality. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
3.1.20  Drakkonis  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.18    4 weeks ago
I don't understand why the Usual Suspects continue to obfuscate. They have won. They can be Kyle Rittenhouse whenever they please. 

Possibly because they aren't what you insist they are? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.20    4 weeks ago

They are.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.22  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.19    4 weeks ago

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Bob Nelson
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3.1.23  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.20    4 weeks ago

Anything's "possible". 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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3.1.24  Drakkonis  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.22    4 weeks ago

Your response is understandable. I misspoke. What I should have said is...

I can only assume that for you, fascism is defined as an insistence on something [you consider] objective reality
 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.25  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.24    4 weeks ago

I would never interfere with your assuming whatever...

 
 
 
GregTx
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3.1.26  GregTx  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.24    4 weeks ago
defined as an insistence on something [you consider] objective reality

Wouldn't that be subjective reality?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.27  bugsy  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.19    4 weeks ago
fascism is defined as an insistence on something called objective reality.

That and everything they don't like

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.28  bugsy  replied to  Drakkonis @3.1.16    4 weeks ago

Looks like the definition he provided fits the left to a tee. Change "far right" to "far left" and it is a perfect definition of the left of today. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.29  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.18    4 weeks ago
It's so clear, limpid. Trump AND THE WHOLE F***ING REPUBLICAN PARTY are dedicated to every item in that definitio

Hilarious that you keep saying that we on the left need to move on because we won, but post stupid shit like this, and then wonder why we are still in the argument.

I believe it is you leftists (collective you) that need to move on. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.30  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.1.29    4 weeks ago
you keep saying that we on the left need to move on

I haven't said that, or anything like it.

The behavior of our NT MAGAs is beginning to fascinate me. You seem to be struck in the past. You're having even more difficulty than we, in adjusting to oir Brave New World.

Has "making stuff up" become so habitual for you that you cannot stop?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.31  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.30    4 weeks ago

Are you reading what you post? Doesn't look like it.

I invite you to scroll through the many, many posts by the left here and really take a good hard look at who needs to move on. 

Trump will be their president. There is no getting around that. 

The left needs to stop whining, get past the anger stage in which they are stuck and move to the acceptance stage. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.32  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.1.31    4 weeks ago
I haven't said that...

What part of "I* do you not understand? I am not responsible for anything anyone else may say.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.33  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.32    4 weeks ago

Do you think striking out the word "Republican" and replacing it with "fascist" is moving on?

Seems like some are stuck in the denial/anger stage of grief and have not even thought about the acceptance phase.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.34  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.1.33    4 weeks ago
Do you think striking out the word "Republican" and replacing it with "fascist" is moving on?

Who said anything about "moving on"? It's going to be a long time before I digest the idea of a fascist America. It has happened, but viscerally I haven't accepted it.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.35  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.34    4 weeks ago
It's going to be a long time before I digest the idea of a fascist Americ

Nothing to digest because a fascist America is a left wing wet dream and something to whine about consistently for the next 12 years.....at least.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.36  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.34    4 weeks ago
viscerally I haven't accepted it.

But yet you keep saying that we on the right need to accept that we won.

We have accepted it.

Maybe you need to accept that you (collective you) lost

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.37  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.1.36    4 weeks ago

No.

I haven't changed my behavior... but I'm saying clearly that I haven't yet digested the election.

NT MAGAs haven't changed behavior either. Does that mean that you haven't digested the election, either?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.38  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.37    4 weeks ago
yet digested the election.

Acceptance is the best way to deal with that. 

"NT MAGAs haven't changed behavior either."

No behavior to change. 

When we start calling leftists fascists, communists, supremacists, racist, etc, then there will be a reason to change the behavior, but we do not do that. 

"Does that mean that you haven't digested the election"

Nothing to digest. I had confidence that Trump would win long ago. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.39  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.1.38    4 weeks ago

Love ya, Bugsy!

You haven't understood a word.

No problem. You're a grunt, not an officer.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.40  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.39    4 weeks ago

I understand everything you posted, that is why I correctly responded.

I was a sailor. Being an officer does not make you intelligent. I found, in many cases, it was the exact opposite. 

You were an officer?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.41  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.39    4 weeks ago

Saul?    Is that you?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.42  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.1.40    4 weeks ago

Finished at captain Being an officer doesn't make anybody smart.

Being an officer requires understanding circumstances. Good officers do, lousy officers don't.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.43  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.42    4 weeks ago
Finished at captain

Which branch? All five branches have "Captain" within their ranks.

Either way, Happy Veteran's Day.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.44  bugsy  replied to  bugsy @3.1.43    4 weeks ago

There is one person here who likes to refer to those who served as "alleged". 

Must be miserable being that sad.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.45  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.1.43    4 weeks ago

Thank you.

Army. Vietnam.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.46  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @3.1.44    4 weeks ago
There is one person here...

I know of a guy who calls us "losers".

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.47  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.45    4 weeks ago

Happy Veterans Day to you and everyone else who served. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.48  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.47    4 weeks ago

Thank you.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.49  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.47    4 weeks ago

Thank you...but I have to ask

Does this go for those that "allegedly" served?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.50  Sean Treacy  replied to  bugsy @3.1.49    4 weeks ago
oes this go for those that "allegedly" served?

I think you captured it.  The people who do that are miserable. Sad to see. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.1.51  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.50    4 weeks ago

For once we agree. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    4 weeks ago

Who's speech would "You" be fighting for? 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
3.2.1  Drakkonis  replied to  Thomas @3.2    4 weeks ago
Who's speech would "You" be fighting for? 

Okay, good. Since you have difficulty with the concept of a straw man, we can continue your lesson. Your question is an example of a straw man. For instance, concerning...

It'd be great if progressives stopped making the category error of conflating populism with fascism.  A good hint. If you are fighting against regulation of speech, you aren't a fascist.

...  your question regarding what Sean said suggests Sean's point concerning fascism depends on who is speaking rather than what is being said. That is, contextually, your question depends on who is saying it rather than what is said, which suggests that Sean supports fascism. Of course, put that way, even you would think that is ridiculous. So, in spite of context, what you really mean is, who supports concepts you reject? 

What I've said here by itself isn't enough to prove what I have said, but when one takes into consideration what you've said elsewhere, I think it then becomes enough. 

Of course, Sean's (and emphatically, my view) exposes the weakness of the concept of free speech. People can say whatever they want to, generally. I say generally because even free speech can be taken too far, such as shouting "fire" in a crowded theater where there is no fire. But, of course, that isn't what is being discussed concerning free speech. Rather, the concept of communicating ideas and concepts. 

If we accept that concerning free speech, the issue then becomes the balance between the honest ability to communicate ideas freely and suppressing communication that is solely designed to harm and, who gets to decide what that is? Is the CCP justified in suppressing speech that suggests capitalism is superior to communism? 

So, in the end, your straw man is suggesting that who is making the speech is Sean's point, rather than what they actually said. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.2  Thomas  replied to  Drakkonis @3.2.1    4 weeks ago

I don't have any difficulty with the concept of a strawman. You still do. To wit:

Okay, good. Since you have difficulty with the concept of a straw man, we can continue your lesson. Your question is an example of a straw man. For instance, concerning...

You have created out of whole-cloth the argument that you think I have made, when i was asking a question. You assumed my meaning and went of pel-mel from their. That is very bad form.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.3  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    4 weeks ago

So 75 million people of all political stripes and beliefs are fascists? 

The leftists lost because they are terrible at governing and leading, but are experts at blaming, shaming, labeling, and name calling.

The party of sore losers know in their hearts why a very diverse electorate rejected their shit, but are afraid to publicly admit it.

The American people as a whole are way smarter and informed that the progressives give them credit for.

A bit of normality has returned to the USA and the voters have put the adults back in charge again.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @4    4 weeks ago

What part of "Another significant part doesn't mind having a fascist dictatorship. Together, the two groups have elected one of theirs." do you and understand? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1    4 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
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5  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

This isn't self-reflection or a post-mortem at all. It is what a majority of leftists have been saying. They are just going to keep right on pushing their horrible ideology onto the country. 

First there is this:

Broad economic discontent, sharp divisions about the nation's future and polarized views of the major-party candidates mark voter attitudes nationally in ABC News preliminary exit poll results of the 2024 election .

Nationally, the share of people saying they've gotten worse off under the current administration (45%) is the highest in presidential exit polls that have asked the question -- even surpassing the 42% "worse off" in 2008, in the teeth of the Great Recession.

Exit polls 2024: Deep economic discontent with Biden drove voters to Trump - ABC News

I saw a very interesting chart Just today which shows that most people earning less than $100,000 per year voted for Trump and the more individuals earned over the $100,000 benchmark, the more they tended to vote for Harris. That kind of explains everything including why some thought they were better off under Trump and certain others don't care if a pound of butter costs $7.

What bothers me is that there are people who just don't care about their fellow Americans. They are all consumed by an ideology they learned at college.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 weeks ago

TDS is an ominous and intellectually debilitating malady. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    4 weeks ago

Thank God for his persistence.  

Look what he went through. It is one of the greatest chapters in American history.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.2  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    4 weeks ago

You also deserve congratulations for your efforts. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.3  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    4 weeks ago

You haven't actually disagreed with my  proposition. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

Not really.    You want to offer congratulations to the real culprits of Trumps win offer it to Democrats and the Harris campaign.

You’ll be right in the wheelhouse then …. Oh and welcome back

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.5  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.4    4 weeks ago

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Sparty On
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5.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.5    4 weeks ago

I gots me some deja vu all over again this year.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.3    4 weeks ago

Some of these people want everyone to bow down before Trump.  Not gonna happen. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    4 weeks ago

I bow down to no politician.     I vote for them but bow down?    Nope.    That’s hyperbolic nonsense.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.9  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    4 weeks ago

When do you think will Trump's "fist salute" become a social obligation? 

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.10  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.9    4 weeks ago

Um....probably only to the TDS afflicted.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.8    4 weeks ago

Why are so many MAGA whining that "the left" wont stop criticizing him?   The left, and others, are never going to stop attacking him, nor should they.  He is by far the worst presidential candidate in US history.  That actually means something to some people. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
5.1.12  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.11    4 weeks ago

I haven’t seen any of that but i have seen a shitload of whining AND denial from the left

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.11    4 weeks ago

Why are so many MAGA whining that "the left" wont stop criticizing him

You may be confusing whining about with laughing at

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
5.1.14  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.11    4 weeks ago

The only ones whining right now are not Trump supporters

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    4 weeks ago

He's such a fucking martyr.

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It looks like he's going to get away his incited insurrection and everything associated and even the classified documents. 

So, he's above the law then.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.16  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.15    4 weeks ago
So, he's above the law then.

Of course. The "rule of law" is ended. The will of the Dictator replaces it.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.2  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 weeks ago

Congratulations Vic  You worked hard for this. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
6  Robert in Ohio    4 weeks ago

Bob

A significant part of Americans want a fascist dictatorship.

Two points

1.  I don't think this is true

2.  I hope that it never becomes true in this country.

I always enjoy the points and counterpoints made on your articles - even when I do not participate other than to read.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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6.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6    4 weeks ago

Thanks for the compliment.

I've never said Trump is a Nazi - some MAGAs may be, but I don't think he is. The distinguishing characteristic of the Nazis was the Holocaust. Trump has announced institutional cruelty f9r minorities, but I haven't seen plans for mass murder.

But there have been plenty of fascists - Mussolini, Peron, Franco, ... - who have crushed human rights, but not committed mass murder. That's horrible, isn't it? The MAGA regime won't ne so bad since they won't commit genocide.

I was careful to say that not all Trump voters are fascist true-believers. For whatever reason, they voted for the man... and so contributed to the establishment of a fascist dictatorship in America. Regardless of motivation, the consequences of their act are the same.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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6.1.1  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Bob Nelson @6.1    4 weeks ago

Well Said

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

I'm not ready to reenter white society. A weekend trip to CVS really drove that home for me. I'm not ready to put on my white people armor, just to go to the store.

This seems very relevant:

Perusing crazy Leftist meltdown posts today, something occurred to me. In the months and years ahead when Democrats are not rounded up into camps by the military, when women are not denied the right to vote, when abortions r emain available like they are now, when nobody kills trans people, and when the innumerable other insane predictive myths about a Trump Presidency never come to pass , those insane Leftists will not learn the necessary lesson. They will not recognize that all they believed was wildly, crazily wrong. Instead, they will fabricate a hero's journey where THEY are the reason the evil Orange Dictator could not carry out his evil intent. THEY thwarted his desires through "resistance." Mark my words, we're going to see that. Let's please all do our best to watch for this and educate these brainwashed loons as to objective reality.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.1  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    4 weeks ago

Only in Merica

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.2  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    4 weeks ago

You don't have to continue to make stuff up, Sean.

You won. You control ALL the levers. The game is over. You will have the state you have been working to get for all these years.

So... RELAX!!!

You can recognize the Fascist Party's plans. Project 2025 is just the beginning, and we both know it. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2    4 weeks ago
ou can recognize the Fascist Party's plans. Project 2025 is just the beginning, and we both know it. 

Lol. Read this again:

Perusing crazy Leftist meltdown posts today, something occurred to me. In the months and years ahead when Democrats are not rounded up into camps by the military, when women are not denied the right to vote, when abortions r emain available like they are now, when nobody kills trans people, and when the innumerable other insane predictive myths about a Trump Presidency never come to pass , those insane Leftists will not learn the necessary lesson. They will not recognize that all they believed was wildly, crazily wrong. Instead, they will fabricate a hero's journey where THEY are the reason the evil Orange Dictator could not carry out his evil intent. THEY thwarted his desires through "resistance." Mark my words, we're going to see that. Let's please all do our best to watch for this and educate these brainwashed loons as to objective reality.

There are serious mental health issues running amok among large segments of the left.  I can only hope they get help. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2    4 weeks ago
You can recognize the Fascist Party's plans. Project 2025 is just the beginning, and we both know it. 

Lol, still haven’t the lesson eh?    The majority of America didn’t buy that bullshit but it is sad how many did ….

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.2.3  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.1    4 weeks ago

Your sollicitude is heartwarming.

Sincerity has that effect.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.2.4  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @7.2.2    4 weeks ago

A majority of Americans voted for that bullshit, and the Republican Fascist Party is dedicated to applying it.

I don't understand why you continue to deny the success of your efforts.

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.2.5  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.1    4 weeks ago
There are serious mental health issues running amok among large segments of the left

Shit all you have to do is look no further than NT to see that.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.2.6  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @7.2.5    4 weeks ago

None of you has yet explained why you're behaving as though the game wasn't over. You don't have to waste time on silly insults that everyone - you and your targets - ignore.

You've won. You don't need to attack any more. You can move on to whatever next step you wish to take. It'll be interesting to see your priorities.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.2.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.3    4 weeks ago
our sollicitude is heartwarming.

It is genuinely disturbing to see the mental health meltdowns occurring over an election. 

The left needs to Touch grass as the kids say.  Anyone whose health and happiness is dependent on which party controls Washington DC is  living wrong.  It should bother everyone that psychotic "mental health professionals" are telling already mentally damaged people to cut themselves off from their support systems for voting the wrong way. It's how cults act. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.2.8  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.7    4 weeks ago
The left needs to Touch grass...

As I said, your sollicitude is touching.

C'mon, Sean. You've been cra**ing on your adversaries for a very long time. The only compliments you'd ever give are backhanded.

Well... I guess it's too soon for you to have assimilated your victory. You're still in combat mode. 

Interesting psychology.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.4    4 weeks ago

Yep, lesson not learned.    Keep rocking it though ….

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.2.10  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.8    4 weeks ago
Interesting psychology.

So are your comments in this seed …… interesting indeed …

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.2.11  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @7.2.9    4 weeks ago

You've done anything and everything to advance your cause, for years. You've succeeded. Why aren't you celebrating?

Surely that would be more fun than reheating stale insults that everyone has heard a thousand times.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.2.12  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.11    4 weeks ago

Winning with class.    

A concept that is foreign to many here.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.2.13  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @7.2.12    4 weeks ago

Exactly. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7.2.14  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.13    4 weeks ago

I know

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
7.2.15  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.6    4 weeks ago
None of you has yet explained why you're behaving as though the game wasn't over. You don't have to waste time on silly insults that everyone - you and your targets - ignore.

Many of you leftists (collective you) have not accepted that it is over. I knew it was over about 1030 eastern Tuesday night when Trump took Georgia. Channels like CNN and MSDNC could not gather the balls to call Georgia, Pennsylvania, and I believe Ohio for several hours after everyone else called them for Trump.

There are still insults being hurdled here on NT and other left wing sites. What the left does not understand is the only ones that they need to blame for Harris' loss is the left itself. Twelve million less democrats voted for Harris than did Biden.

They need to get over it and move on. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
7.2.16  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.4    4 weeks ago
nd the Republican Fascist Party is dedicated to applying it

But but but we on the right need to move on because we won.

Fucking hilariious.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.2.17  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @7.2.15    4 weeks ago
Many of you leftists (collective you) have not accepted that it is over.

That's surely true. Human nature is like that.

But what I'm seeing is kinda like pounding on an adversary who's already down.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
7.2.18  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.17    4 weeks ago

Maybe you are not paying attention to the continued insults by the left here and other sites.

It is if the election is still ongoing and the left never received a memo that stated the race is over, so they continue their name calling like racist, fascist, misogynist, fascist, white supremacist.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @7.2.18    4 weeks ago

The projection.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.2.20  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.1    4 weeks ago

The projection.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.2.21  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @7.2.16    4 weeks ago
we on the right need to move on

Oh, I don't expect that.

What I expect is that you become more open. "Jews will not replace us!" and so on. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
7.2.22  bugsy  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.21    4 weeks ago
I don't expect that.

But you keep saying that.

If you want to take a look at being more open, here is a great example...

It ain't someone on the right.

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Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.2.23  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @7.2.22    4 weeks ago

I am not responsible for the words of anyone except myself. 

Blaming someone for deeds done by someone else is a standard hypocrite's tactic.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.24  CB  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.17    4 weeks ago

Politics is cyclic. It's a swinging pendulum. And whatever is removed in the immediate starting January 20, 2025 can be replaced. . . incrementally or in total starting in January 2026. So the hard work continues. . . . 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.2.25  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @7.2.24    4 weeks ago

Some pendulums swing very slowly.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.26  CB  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.25    4 weeks ago

Yes. Well, the SCOTUS is lost to liberals. It is what it is. Spilt 'milk' is done milk. I will die at some point under conservative SCOTUS control it does seem. So we will have to 'reimagine' court 'fights' over liberties and such. And I do not kid myself . . . it is the intentions of dominance-seeking conservatives to LOCK liberals (and others) out of getting out from under their control and worldview. But God. (That is what we have to invoke in order to not give over to despairing.) As the saying goes: "The Lord will make a way somehow." :)

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.2.27  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @7.2.26    4 weeks ago

Good luck with that.  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.28  CB  replied to  Bob Nelson @7.2.27    4 weeks ago

DITTO.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
8  Right Down the Center    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
9  freepress    4 weeks ago

Republican voters want an authoritarian "daddy" figure to worship and defend. Whether they ignore Nixon's corruption,  Bush/Cheney and their disastrous 8 years, they still idolize these men and think everyone else should too. Whoever and whatever the Republican party shoves forth in policy or on the ticket, Republican voters blindly and repeatedly check the "R" box and expect everyone to be happy with their daddy figure. Demonize and blame a Democrat even if their state has been Republican red for half a decade, every single thing is the fault of a Democrat. Blame a Democrat for what Republicans do and the bills they pass, these voters smugly act outraged when you dare to point out that their "daddy" did the damage.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
9.1  Sparty On  replied to  freepress @9    4 weeks ago

Bullshit

 
 
 
The Chad
Freshman Guide
10  The Chad    3 weeks ago

The elitist patriarchy tossing around the term "fascism" worked out so well during this last election cycle I would suggest doubling down on the very effective term.

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